Well, I've had my T3 for less than 48 hours, and it's definitely messed up. The organ voices have mega-distortion if DSP switch is ON (as it is by default). If I turn OFF DSP, the distortion goes away.

I think I just have either a bad DSP chip or motherboard.

Yes, I notice the problem with the OTS buttons and the right-hand voices are improper levels OTB... that's a major irritant.

When it works, this thing is god-like in its sound, and I just want one that works. I am asking Yami to swap me out for a "good unit" since this once was so sick brand-new OTB.

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I spoke with Steve D. at Yami and duh, those 'distorted' organ voices were designed that way to be 'ballsy' for rock songs! Once I recognized the idea, it made sense, and in fact I use those default voices quite often in lieu of a "gruff" synth, the gruff organ voices are actually pretty cool

However, you can edit the sounds if you don't like the gravely organ voices...

Someone on this board told me how to edit the individual voice parameters, and sure enough, my 'distorted voices' were easily resolved by pressing the VOICE SET button and then changing some of the parameters to reduce the overdrive on the organ sounds!

The two voices were ProgRockOrgan and
Rock Rotary. Once I reduced the OFFSET on each of these and saved them as USER voices, my problems disappeared.

Steve D. reminded me that many folks have been clamoring for some time for tougher, edgier organ voices, and not every sound will appeal to every end-user... the idea is to find the sounds you enjoy and want to use, and modify the ones you don't... or add more!

One thing the marketing folks might consider is to let potential purchasers in on the 'big secret' that not every voicing will be something YOU (the buyer) want, but the idea is to buy an A/W with as many great sounds as you can find, the Tyros 3 fulfills that for me, big time.

The problem with a board in the range of the T3 is that a person's 'expectations' may be 'too high' on 'every' voicing. If you look at it as a grouping of instruments, the value is really there. I mean Les Pauls are like $899 (studio) and up to what $3, 4, 5 k?? So a T3 with all of its capabilities, I think is a great value.

Once you've had your hands on a T3, you'll be spoiled rotten, just in terms of the amazing sounds and stuff you can record to the hard drive... in very few takes... and you can make it simple and clean or you can muddy the waters with many bounced tracks...

Sure, in a perfect world, you're doing your recording on a kazillion-track computer and you're punching in and out and refining and mixing and remixing... but the beauty of the Tyros 3 is that you accomplish very acceptable recording results with JUST THE TYROS 3... and that for a non-techie end-user, the simplicity of recording "in real time" (duh, no latency problems, no synch problems, all the other headaches one encounters trying to record via PC), the actual recording experience is simpler and FASTER and MUCH LESS STRESSFUL than the PC route (IMHO).

My hat's off to Yamaha, great product.

I know, RTFM, but still, some of the stuff in the manual is kind of hard to figure out, especially if you're a newbie to TOTL boards.

The touch on the Tyros 3 keyboard greatly affects instrument sounds, and adjusting the OFFSET (touch) will make some sounds greatly improved. For another example, the saxaphones sounded odd to me unless I literally hammered the keys. I changed the offset value and this meant less key pressure to get more velocity out of the keystroke, and voila, the sounds improved.

Best of all, when you save them as "USER" sounds, you don't overwrite or destroy the factory sounds, in case you decide down the road to sell or share the board.

Thanks to all on this BBS for their help, particularly the one kind soul who put me on to this entire concept. I was pretty disturbed that this didn't meet my expectations, in reality, like many have written, to me it sounds better and better. Still, I wish some of the styles were better balance between the four OTB voices, sometimes it really jumps up or down in volume (particularly if the 'classical guitar' voice is in there, it's way too low).

I would love to contribute to yamaha QA product meetings on the Tyros, and I think many of the members of SZ could be of even greater impact (to Yamaha) than I could because you all have greater experience and ability.

To Class Act, I hope you won't totally give up on the Tyros, though I respect your reaction. I had the SAME thought when I encountered poor sounds right out of the box. I imagined it was "too hard" to operate, or maybe even "defective". In truth, it's NOT defective, and it's really not (so far) too hard to operate.

Overall, it's a LOT nicer sounding in many areas compared to my PSR S900, which I really liked and enjoyed. I can see ultimate value in the Tyros 3 long-term in terms of being able to express yourself.

The piano sound (once you tweak it some) is really pretty good overall, yes it's a little weak still in the middle, but it's MUCH better (once you TWEAK IT) than the PSR S900 piano voice IMHO.

Well, back to practice...

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