i hear you ian but that was just the synthzone. The numbers might start to get significant once all the other forums are polled and if there is a commercial argument (i have not heard it yet ) that can demonstrate that yamaha WOULD make more profit and not eat into th profit of its other products then someone woould really have to break it down for me why yamaha would not be persuaded. There is nothing sacred about 61 key keyboards. The only thing sacred to yamaha and any other business that wants to make it through the next 10 yeasr is PROFIT.