Originally posted by squeak_D:
Kingfrog.., NO THEY WERE NOT created primarily on workstations. I suggest you spend a day in the field doing this style of music before you comment on how it's made.., rather than going by "from what you see or what you've heard".
Many of these loops created are done and produced WITH SOFTWARE! Sometimes the workstations get used.., but the majority of the radio hits are software produced and their beats have come from samples and loops done using software. It's not just modern styles either. You'd be surprised how many alternative, and rock songs today are done using software. Even some country hits have a lot of software influence.
I mean no disrespect Kingfrog.., but you are actually an excellent example of an older individual who has no experience in the field commenting on a style of music you do not produce.
The thing is YOU COULD hear arrangers being used.., but ONLY if the makers decide to break the wall between them and let developers on both sides share a few things every now and then.
It was only natural that DJ's were eating up the DJX and it wasn't uncommon to find them being used in clubs. There IS a market for this. Like I said.., Yamaha did it once.., it was successful (possibly a little too successful), but later killed the line.
There is a newer version of the DJX.., which is the MM6.., BUT the MM6's package isn't as "hard" as it was on the DJX.
[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 05-21-2009).]
Do you really think one needs a PHD in Eletronica,Hip Hop. Trance etc.... to understand the way that music is CONSTRUCTED? Of course they are not ALL done on workstations...but they CAN be and many are indeed created on workstations. To think otherwise would be nieve. Modern music is not created in a traditional way in as much as It's "constructed" from pieces of what someone else may have already created. Arrangers don't apply either process well by design. One only has to have ears to understand that...... not practical experience. But yes I do have and have used Acid Pro for years and have a ton of Loop CDs. I have had to make that type of music for projects before. Its not my thing. Too much reptition and far more focused on the technical rather than "musical" for my tastes.
Four parts, an intro and ending in a style is hardly enough to construct a modern dance song. even I know that. No matter how MODERN the styles would be. Why would someone who creates that genre want to limit themselves to an Arranger? By its very purpose and design, an Arranger is extremily limiting in loop creation.
You cannot slice measures on an arranger,nor can you slice an audio file to create a loop. not even on the tyros Sampler. you cannot construct patterns in various time signatures easily and string them into a 16 track song. ..
Why would anyone looking to create modern dance music want an arranger?? It flies against exactly waht they are trying to create. Original work using pieces of already made loops...AND the means to create those loops from scratch..
The MODERN music "arrangers" are already out there!!! They are called Motif, M3, Fantom, Junos, Mini Mos.......
Yamaha has no reason to make a "dance" Arranger. Nor does Korg, or Roland. If they saw the market they would sieze it. They know the market far better than you or I.
Why anyone who creates dance music would want a pre packaege arrangement is beyond me. Its all about music CONSTRUCTION. Not the "already constructed". Yamaha and the rest of the big players in the gear world understands that.....why can't you?
[This message has been edited by Kingfrog (edited 05-21-2009).]
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