Originally Posted By: mirza
Rosetree, let me just say that you are interesting guy to talk to, wether we agree or not.


smile smile Yes, I agree with that. Rosetree, I agree that there are many universally accepted 'values' that can be found in the New Testament, but I think those values have evolved from the crystallization of centuries of human experience, ie. 'you're much less likely to kill me if I'm not trying to kill you', etc. 'Faith' to me means, blindly believing or accepting something with absolutely no justification, rationalization, of basis in fact or reason.

Examples of 'Fairytales' (Christian mostly, but equally ludicrous ones can be found in most religions):

TB (True Believer) - We are all born in sin (and therefore must be "saved".
Atheist - "What? I'm just a baby, I haven't done anything yet except eat, cry, and poop. At least wait until I become a teenager".

TB - Christ died for your sins.
Atheist - What? I wasn't even born yet. What does that even mean?

TB - Afterlife-where you go when you die. Heaven (if you're good) - Hell (if you're bad....or an atheist smile ).

Atheist - Afterlife - Oblivion (followed closely by decomposition)

TB - Virgin birth

Atheist - Uhhh, right.

Tons more, but you get the idea.

chas
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"Faith means not wanting to know what is true." [Nietzsche]