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#256102 - 02/09/09 05:45 PM KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Dear Forum members and others,

It's been quit a while now that we've been anticipating the new revolutionary keyboard AUDYA from Ketron and for those interested in this product; we'd like to extend a special "Thank you" for your patience and endurance during this long research and development process.

A lot of design and development has been put into AUDYA to make it truly a one-of-it's-kind Arranger Keyboard for it's time and we believe we've been able to finally achieve this goal.

This product (full production model functioning at 100% of the current features) should officially be released in the United States around March 15th, 2009, where users will be able to get a up-close-and-personal view and experience of this great Arranger 'Work-horse'. Being built on an Open Architecture platform, of course we will add new functions and features as requested by our customers through OS updates.

What are some of the features we believe will put AUDYA in a 'class' of its own? What makes the KETRON AUDYA unique to existing Arrangers?

Just to list a few features (you should find out the rest in person once it's released ...)...

1. Best Natural Sounds:- Living up to its reputation, Ketron built the AUDYA around its best natural & original sounds. A lot of time and development was taken to create lengthy, accurate samples created from the 'ground up'. For most instruments, the 'character' of the instrument was also captured in real time giving the user the possibility to play the instrument the way the original instrument was meant to be played ...e.g. play the MUTED or SWING TRUMPET and listen to how the 'player' blows into the instrument ... and also hold the key down long enough and you hear the player 'run out of breath' while the sound 'decays' to an end... after all a trumpet player cannot hold his breath endlessly now, can they? Such a feature eliminates the use of 'loops' in many of our sounds so the 'artificial' effect of simply sampling is for the most part eliminated.
We at Ketron have always prided ourselves in creating the Best Natural sounds and as such we've never found the need to advertize a special category of Sounds - they should all sound good.
To add to the existing selection of ROM sounds in AUDYA's memory, we have included a bonus section in the Hard Drive in the folder called "SUPERSOLO". These are voices which (in many instances) work on both samples and modulation. Loading a 10,120 KB voice takes no more than 5 seconds with our new CPU (if no other action is being carried out). Loading can also be done while the keyboard is being played (multi-tasking), however loading times will increase. These voices bring out the best of AUDYA with rich characteristics and great authenticity ... you've not heard the best of AUDYA until you hear the SUPERSOLO voices.

2. 'LIVE' ARRANGER:- This is not the first time KETRON has incorporated AUDIO into their arrangers. In the mid 90's, Ketron used AUDIO grooves with their MS-series keyboards. This was then carried into the X, SD and XD series with better, longer audio grooves to really give that LIVE DRUM feel. We've decided to go up a level where no Arranger Workstation has gone by now, by incorporating Audio Drums, Audio Bass and an Audio chord part with the Arranger too. The capability to control such Audio (bass and chord parts) in real time has of course posed it's problems, but we believe we have found a compromise such that the AUDIO parts complement (and not replace) the midi Arranger parts. So, a style (depending on which style is selected) will have Audio drums (recorded by real, live, professional musicians), and/or Audio bass and/or one audio chord (chord 5 - which can be toggled between audio and midi). For the chords that are not recognized by the chord 5 track, complex algorithms either 'stretch' the chord or midi parts are played to 'represent' that chord - however, due to the rich nature of the new sound library, you will hardly notice the difference ... it's like driving a Toyota Prius Hybrid - hard to tell when the gas engine switches off and the electric engine switches on. This characteristic enables AUDYA to recognize and play ALL chord types when the Arranger is played in full. Of course if you 'solo' chord 5, there will be scenarios where this chord will not be heard ~ if you plan to play an entire performance with ONLY chord 5 active, we'd suggest you select another style that will have the midi equivalent to this one.

3. INTERACTIVE GUITAR:- This new feature from Ketron allows you to determine 'when' you want to hear live guitar strum/notes. Depending on the setting, you can play a chord and the Arranger will automatically insert a guitar strum/chord/part based on how hard you play. This allows one to 'interact' with the machine and again eliminate redundancy and boredom.

4. INTELLIGENT ARRANGER:- Now here is where things begin to 'pick up' even more. With the way Arrangers are 'programmed' one of the characteristics it's been hard to navigate away from has been ... REDUNDANCY. Regardless of the quality of styles and sounds, the Arranger (because it's playing a loop - 4, 8,16 or even 32 measures long in some cases) at some point becomes 'boring' as you already begin to 'know what is coming'. Using AI (Artificial Intelligence) in AUDYA, we've been able to practically eliminate this effect. When you play a style on AUDYA, for the first couple of measures, AUDYA 'learns' what you are playing. When redundant chord progressions are played, AUDUA will start playing random 'bass', 'drum' and in some cases 'chord' parts. These parts are 'thrown into your performance' to enhance what you are playing. In order not to 'compete' with what you are playing, AUDYA automatically 'mutes' these parts once you start to play (e.g. a solo part) so as to avoid 'noise' (which tends to occur when too many parts/tracks are playing at the same time). This feature alone is quite innovative in the fact that AUDYA tends to remain 'new' to you the end user, always inspiring you to play. The sad thing about this feature is it might (just might) eliminate the need for another keyboard after this!
AUDYA also responds to velocity, After-touch, run up/down scales ... etc to trigger different notes and parts when playing a style.

5. POWERFUL REMIX FEATURES:- With the integration of AUDIO into Styles and MIDIFILES, we decided to give you the end user the capability to create your own Enhanced Midi-audio, Wave or MP3 files instantly from your existing MIDI library. Simply by selecting a Midi file and playing, you can use the REMIX feature to remove the 'midi drums' of existing Midi files and replace them using the AUDIO drums from AUDYA. he midi files DRUM, BASS, ORCHESTRAL and LEAD parts can be individually controlled with the dedicated sliders. With this feature, you can use the Arranger and Fill ins to change the drum tracks live as you play and sing to your midi files. What's best? Simply press RECORD to record this entire performance as a WAVE file that will automatically be named after the Midi file (with a *.wav) extension(if you plugged in a microphone into AUDYA, your vocal tracks will also be recorded). To take this feature even further, you can also activate the AUDIO chord part (guitars) and while playing the midi file, play the chords on the left and the AUDIO guitars will follow you - and yes, you can once more record these at the same time - basically reading and writing to the built in Hard Drive at once!! With the capability to record your own Wave and MP3 files, AUDYAs' recording possibilities are open and flexible.

6. KEY TUNES:- Did we mention the fact that AUDYA also comes with a POWERFUL multi player? You can play (simultaneously) 2 wave, 2 mp3 or 2 midi files and the keyboard at the same time. Not that you'll be doing this very often, but you know the capability is there ... especially for those who depend on playing existing files with effects ...etc. Thanks to this new player, we've created KEYTUNES. This feature allows you to assign Wave, MP3 or midi files to keys on the keyboard. You may assign an audio/midi file either to a key or a range of keys. Once these keys are pressed, you have the option to play the loop only when the key is depressed (Hold=ON) or play and keep playing the file until the next key is pressed. With this function, the possibilities are endless for a gigging musician on stage having all their songs at their finger-tips ... literally!

7. POWERFUL MULTIPLAYER:- AUDYA can play (as mentioned above) multiple Wave, MP3 and Midi files at once. Each file can be controlled by dedicated independent sliders or automatically with the CROSSFADE feature, the user can fade out of one file into the next (with adjustable CROSSFADE curves). With over 200 EFFECTS on board, you can add and enhance your music or take a break and ... let AUDYA entertain with the PLAYLIST feature or ... endless possibilities.

8. VOICETRON - KETRON's Vocalizer:- We've decided to 'build our own' vocalizer and implore our notion of Best Natural Sounds to the vocaliser as well. So our harmonies stand out and sound ... 'REAL'. With harmony modes like AUTOTUNE, we've shaped up the human voice and why not enhance the world's best instrument - your voice? AUDYA offers 2 mic inputs with independent GAIN control. This allows 2 people to be able to sing into AUDYA at the same time and apply effects to both voices and ... yes record both voices as well as a Wave or Mp3 file. Harmonies can be created and controlled using your LEFT, RIGHT or both hands or via MIDI from an external source like a Sequencer for an example. You can even play 'single notes' and manually create your own harmonies too.

9. (6)INDEPENDENT OUTPUTS:- For the live musician who's sound man needs to have control of each instrument and sound coming out of the keyboard OR for the studio artist who wants to record 12 audio tracks at once (yes, 12 when panned) using software such as PROTOOLS, this is a must. The outputs allow the user to assign different instruments to different outputs and as such, one has individual control over all tracks/channel. For an example, you can assign the Kick drum out of OUT1(L) and high hat out of OUT1(R), then Congas out of OUT2(L) and Timbales out of OUT2(R) ...etc. Now you can (outside the keyboard) apply compression to the KICK DRUM alone, maybe add some other effects to the other tracks ... etc. You can also assign the MICS and audio (Wave and MP3) to different outputs. We've also incoorporated S/PDIF in and out and LINE IN for external sound sources.

10. VOICE LAYERING & CONTROL:- You can layer up to 3 voices on the right or entire keyboard and play them at once or play them across the keyboard with up to 3 different SPLIT points or using velocity control, program each voice to be heard only when the key(s) are played at a particular velocity range or both. Each of these voices can be assigned different EFFECTS, volumes, and pitch, sustain (y/n), expression ...etc.

11. CUSTOMIZATION:- You can pretty much customize AUDYA to your needs. You can customize start up features (what should be active or not when the unit is turned on), USER buttons 1-5 below the screen and one slider (PFL). We understand not everyone is the same and so we wanted to allow AUDYA meet your needs.

12. RIFF:- Play a couple of chords; now go into the RIFF (Arranger D where applicable). AUDYA takes over your Arrangement and plays chord progressions automatically based on the chord you played and style of music. This allows you to 'jam' on either the right or entire keyboard (Pianist mode). Again, because of your style of play, the RIFF differs.

13. AUDIO TEMPO & KEY CHANGE. Play a wave file, now hit the transpose button (up or down) to change it's key OR use the TEMPO button to change it's tempo/speed while maintaining the pitch. To add to this, you can also still use the VOICE MUTE feature and delete the lead voice. Now, you can sing to your favorite Audio tunes ... great for Karaoke Players. You can also synchronize this with Midi or styles and yes - re-record onto the Hard Drive as a new Audio file (with your flavor now).

14. TEXT ASSOCIATION:- Just as with our previos products, you can always associate a text file with either a Midi file, Wave or MP3. When you play the song the first time, you'll 'teach' AUDYA where and when to change the pages of the text in real-time. Once this task is accomplished, the next time you play that same song, AUDYA will automatically load it's corresponding text (if the text file has the same name as the audio or midi file) and scroll through automatically. This information (along with a mirror image of the screen too) can be displayed on an external monitor or TV screen using the built in RGB Video connection located on the back.

15. USB:- Two USB 1.1 jacks are comfortably located at the front. AUDYA can use sources like external Hard Drives, USB thumb sticks, USB FD ... etc to expand on data storage and communicate with the "outside world". With the compression rate used by AUDYA and the efficient design of it's new data bus, the actual data transfer speed is slightly over 15% faster than the standard USB 1.1 configuration. A USB Host jack comfortably located at the rear allows you to connect AUDYA to a PC/MAC for further direct access to it's internal Hard Drive or Midi applications, or for use with software soon to be provided for this instrument.

There are many other features not described above simply because words alone cannot tell the whole story. Even videos (in their own way) are limited. You'll have to try one and find out if it's for you FIRST as Different Arranger manufacturers hold and target different markets. No Arranger Workstation or keyboard has it all, but we believe with AUDYA, we have taken a great step forward.

Of course we will continue listening to our customers for future updates on our products. Again we like to thank you for your patience as we try to release a revolutionary product we believe those who purchase will like and enjoy for years to come.

The Ketron team.

[This message has been edited by Ketron_AJ (edited 02-10-2009).]
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#256103 - 02/09/09 07:21 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Aj you have Leezone foaming at the mouth!!!!
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#256104 - 02/09/09 08:12 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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A few questions...

Individual outs on the drums... This is for the MIDI drums and not for the audio loops, isn't it? I can't see a way to route these separately when a hi-hat and kick occur simultaneously (as they do most of the time).

Is there any articulation control (SA type ability) on these 'Best Natural Sounds'? Are they sampled with a different sample for each note? If there are no loops, one wouldn't want them dropping out at different times due to a sped up or slowed down sample, would one?

Any chance of a Ketron demo that soloed the loop AND MIDI guitar parts at the same time? One audio track would defuse (maybe!) much of the speculation about this feature. Sure, bury this in a busy mix, you might not hear it. But many songs go great with JUST an acoustic guitar part, even if not for the entire song. How well this workaround works is of primary importance to me, and maybe many more. Let's just HEAR IT, please...

And sorry, but please... one final definitive statement about whether the guitar loops WILL have more than maj/min and the occasional 7th as basic chord types actually recorded (not added to, replaced or anything else) will help squash the speculation and rampant misinformation spread by many Ketron 'defenders' that have MUCH less knowledge than you...

The Intelligent Arranger feature... I'm still not quite sure I 'get' this. Do you REALLY mean the FIRST couple of measures it learns what you are doing? Because I fail to see how ANY redundancy occurs THAT early in a song... How big is this 'learn' window? It sounds a great feature, if extended beyond what you've said.

Key tunes... This sounds kind of like you can do an RPS type thing with loops. Do they stay in sync with each other? Can you cue one up so it starts at the end of the first? This sounds promising.

I'm sorry for all the questions, but you have to understand that a product with as little dealership in the US as Ketron has is unlikely to be seen or played by the majority of musicians here. If we HAVE to see it to believe it, sadly, few of us are going to be able to believe it You'd be amazed at how much we CAN tell from a decently produced video! Please, PLEASE don't try that Wersi 'You've GOT to sit at one before you can judge anything at all' nonsense on us. That dog, as they say over here, don't hunt

Your answers to our questions, and a LOT of video up at the site is going to make believers out of us, I hope. I haven't given up on this thing, and only ever wanted straightforward answers to straightforward questions. The hype and pre-release promo left a LOT of unanswered questions. If THIS post had come out six months ago, little of what has been said would have ever got posted, IMO.

I look forward to the answers... (really )
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#256105 - 02/09/09 08:21 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
Aj you have Leezone foaming at the mouth!!!!



not quite....

not quite the news i was hoping to hear

i consider the lack of audio parts for MANY ESSENTIAL chords more of an "incompleteness" rather than what AJ/Ketron says: "AUDIO parts complement (and not replace) the midi Arranger parts".

what does this say?

this says that we are done with recording and developing this breakthrought Audio loop technology,
if it's not there, well you get the midi equivalent, big deal, it all sounds the same right? ;-)
midi guitar sounds exactly the same as the Audio, you can't tell the difference, can you?

and it seems (sadly) that Ketron will NEVER add ALL Audio guitar chords, and will never finish what they started... :-(

sorry, but those are my feelings and thoughts...

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#256106 - 02/09/09 09:02 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
leezone Offline
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just wondering how the keyboard went from 50% as per Nedim, about a week or two ago, to now: "This product (full production model functioning at 100% of the current features)" to be released in a Month in the USA

what has changed from this demo-model within last weeks till now?

will we have full-functioning software to go with AUDYA since its Open Architecture?, full manual? if not it's not 100% as stated.

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#256107 - 02/09/09 09:04 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
Nedim Offline
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Sometimes we try to put a handle on an egg...
we dont have to stretch words that much...
If the one i played was 50% finished does that
mean that the ones in Italy are also 50% finished?
What if they were 97% finished at the time?
And what method and measure did i use to tell
exactly 50% finished? What if i was 30% off?
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#256108 - 02/09/09 09:09 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Nedim not ONLY do i wish you were 30% off

BUT, i also wish the AUDYA was 30% off ;-)

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#256109 - 02/09/09 09:13 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
leezone Offline
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AJ, question...

since AUDYA is Open Arch,
will Ketron add to audio chords grooves at a later time? Perhaps i should have asked before assuming :-)

also can WE record/inport our own grooves, or can we say REPLACE all guitar audio loops in a particu;ar style with a TOTALLY different instrument?

say i wanna replace the audio guitar groove in the tango style to use an accordion audio groove instead?

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#256110 - 02/09/09 09:34 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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lee, I would think that if Ketron can't get more than those chords to stream in realtime, a user won't be able to get MORE...

But yes, I would imagine that how easy it is for a user to import audio loops, if only for the drum section, will be of great interest. At least for those of us that can't afford to buy every new model that comes out (or just plain don't want to!), being able to easily import sampled loop grooves and fills will make a difference to how long this keeps us satisfied (I can only play the same style for so long ).

For something like an accordion loop, how do you get past the basic chord problem? That sound needs complex chords AT LEAST as much as a guitar does, and I can't imagine that making the MIDI workarounds that the guitar section has had put in is easy in the least...
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#256111 - 02/09/09 10:56 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Answers to some of the questions asked above.

Individual out on drums:- This is for midi and Groove drums. For styles that have Audio drums, the entire drum track can can be assigned to an output. Bass, Audio Guitar, Chord parts ... etc can also be individually assigned.

Articulation control:- Controlled by velocity, time to which the next note is hit after current note (initial or mute attack, e.g on sax) and aftertouch.

For just an accoustic guitar part (or equivalent) we have the UNPLUGGED styles which can be used.

Yes, the Audio Guitar, Bass (or other instruments) parts does/will respond to more than just Major, Minor and 7thh chords.

Intelligent Arranger:- The intelligent part picks up usually between 16-32 measures of play (depending on the style). For styles witin 'longer messures' the 'pick up' is longer i.e more measures have to be played before it kicks in. As an example, 'No Woman no Cry' - Reggae style. If you play the chorus back-to-back about twice (the same way), you'll hear the difference on the 3rd time around, however if you play and also increase your velocity of play (get excited) during the 2nd time, you'll hear subtle differences too. Hope this examples explains this feature better?

Keytunes:- You can synchronize the audio (before creating the keytune list) and yes you can cue to start one right after the other, however you will have to use an audio editor (e.g Recycle) to 'edit' the wave/mp3 files so that there is no 'space' at the begining or end of each file ... just a little homework for a better, smoother performance.

We are working on some demos that should be up and running soon.

Also, those who attend the forthcoming workshops should feel free to try out the keyboard. No one was turned down from trying the AUDYA at the Shrevport Jam ~ there was just too little time to show all it's features and remember ... many people there simply wanted to 'jam' after the demonstration, not play the AUDYA. There just wasn't enough time, but the forthcoming Ketron workshops are just that - workshops...

Lack of audio parts:- We never advertized or mentioned anything along the lines of "... and now, our styles will be replaced entirely with complete Audio". We hope there wasn't a mis-understanding about this and hopefully this clears it up. Styles are made up of about 8 elements (Drum 1, Drum 2, Bass, Chd1-5). For many styles, Drum 1, Bass and Chd5 are replaced with AUDIO equivalent parts while Drum 2 are grooves. The other parts (Chords 1-4)are still midi based. The AUDIO parts can also be turned 'off' and replaced with Midi.

We forgot to mention ... Arpeggios and Licks - can be substituted for Chord 4!! Arps have usually been associated only with Synth Workstations ~ but now, Arranger Workstations can use them too. You can change the voicing of the Arp. once the style is being played (say from Strings to Guitar or synth or ...). When the style is off, you can change/select a different Arp. that best suits you. When done, you can now save this style with your new setting (changes may be applied to individual Arranger parts or the entire style).

Full functioning software (for editing/creating DJ loops, styles, customization ...etc) will be made available and downloadable on our website at a later date. The complete manual is also being revised and will soon be up on our website for download.

Import/Recording Grooves:- Yes, you'll be able to use yours (Drums) with the assistance of software which we'll provide on our website. In STYLE VIEW, you can see the entire STYLE structure. By selecting CHORD-5 (F10), you can decide either to use AUDIO (and therefore select from a data base of guitar and other instrument parts that reside in AUDYA) or MIDI (select any instrument to assign to this track). As for the Audio Bass and Chords, Ketron will be enhancing this library as well with future updates.

Hope that better explains it.

Thanks,

AJ

[This message has been edited by Ketron_AJ (edited 02-09-2009).]
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#256112 - 02/10/09 01:50 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Thanks for that AJ. The Audya sounds a lot more interesting. Can you postup any demos of the AI at all ? Thats a feature that used to exist on the Technics KN1000 years ago that literally allowed the musician to Jam with the styles and they would interact with how complex or energetic the musician played. A great feature that some how never really caught on. Also please post up some examples of these 'solo' instrument sounds so that i can actually tell whether they are as good as yamahas SA sounds or Korgs DNC .

Also, this would have been the ideal opportunity to lay to rest the concerns that have been expressed about the limited chords that the Real Audio recordings could play.

Rather than let us quarrel amongst ourselves for another 5 or 6 pages why dont you just tell us plainly what chords the Audio element of the style DOES NOT PLAY ? If Ketron Italy /USA are gagging you tell them this is a really stupid strategy as potential customers like me get put off by companies talking ' out the side of their mouthes'. In other words i dont buy from people who dont tell the whole story warts and all.....

Cheers

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#256113 - 02/10/09 02:02 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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The release in the us AJ you say about 15. march, but what about in Europa, some say its allredy released.
Sorry for my bad English

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#256114 - 02/10/09 04:01 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Thank you AJ, I appreciate you taking the time out and explaining some of the features in more detail. Will the FS6 still work with the Audya and will there be new file transfer software developed, the one that is still on ketrons web page is a little outdated, Windows 98 edition.
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#256115 - 02/10/09 04:10 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
Aj you have Leezone foaming at the mouth!!!!


Maybe not Leezone, but I am. The SD5 was great, I'm so hoping that the Audya is even that much better. I'll wait and see about pricing and if out of my price range, I'll be happy to slip back into a SD5 or SD3.
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#256116 - 02/10/09 05:03 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Thank You AJ for the information. It is good to hear from Ketron what they intended the product to do. Now, I think the next big think for Ketron to do with the Audya is the PC software. That software must be a tool for Audya users to configure and customize the Audya to their liking. the PC ap must be simple, easy to use and be interactive with the Audya when the Audya is connected to the computer by USB. Perhaps Ketron if not already is in contact with companies that make audio software and loops? IMO it is so much better to set-up the keyboard for live use and create styles midi files and play list on a PC computer and have everything right there on the Audya ready for the gig. Also, it would go a long way to have a DVD showing how to use some of the advance features of the Audya. But I think that may be a while down the road but better sooner than later!

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#256117 - 02/10/09 10:02 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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The Audya is out allredy in the Uk, but still when will it hit other countrys in Europa, anyone have a guess.

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#256118 - 02/10/09 10:59 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by twiceduo:
The Audya is out allredy in the Uk, but still when will it hit other countrys in Europa, anyone have a guess.



So your saying its out in the UK & is that a comlpete release production model?
is there any reviews from real players that have bought it yet if sdo Id like to read them if their honest & not dealers.?
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#256119 - 02/10/09 11:14 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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I, for one, am very interested in this.

And after AJ's fuller explanation, I am even MORE interested.

May have to inject my own "stimulus package" into the economy

As AJ said, one might never (and I can hear the chuckles!!), but really, never have to buy another keyboard.

One thing I would be interested to know is how long this can be upgraded. I know with Korgs, expansion can only go as far as the internal SSD memory allows.

It was why the PA1x was not able to be upgraded any further, and the PA2x also has the same memory limitation, albeit larger.

So, yes, I would like to get "open" quantified, if possible.

Dennis

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#256120 - 02/10/09 11:27 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Thanks AJ,

I'm a little nervous about the release dates. I remember when it was supposed to be ready by December, then January, then February, and now March...

What worries me is that even if it DOES come out in March, you are only saying that the Style creation software will come out at "a later date". For me, the Audya is worthless without Style creation as I play ethnic music.

Can you give a more specific, yet REALISTIC time frame for the software release?

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#256121 - 02/10/09 12:05 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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AJ,

will we be able to easily convert Midi Files to styles as does Styleworks, by choosing tracks & measures of midi file, and assigning it to style part(s) in AUDYA ?

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#256122 - 02/10/09 12:05 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Thanks, AJ for your prompt answers to those questions. I hope we never get that stonewalling we got the last couple of weeks again This post, two weeks ago would have defused the entire mess, IMO...

That's some revolutionary stuff in there, AJ... I'll tell you something though... If the Intelligent Arranger has up to a 32 bar memory of what you played, it's capable of being linked to a Chord Sequencer and you could hand off the redundancy of repeating the chords altogether, and STILL introduce variation by analyzing the RH (or whatever new you are playing with RH/LH, too!). Once you acknowledge that there IS a lot of chord redundancy in popular music, why a tool doesn't exist to exploit this on arrangers beats me...

Now that Roland have abandoned the Chord Sequencer (ever play it on a G1000?), is there any reason why you can't add it to the Audya?

I tell you, the first arranger from ANYBODY (including MS or Wersi ) that reintroduces this amazing tool will get my cash no questions asked! I felt that Riff Mode ALMOST got the point, but preset changes was dumb (sorry!). Now that the Audya has a 32 bar memory for chord changes, why not reintroduce this feature, but cue it from the IA window?

I WANT MY LEFT HAND BACK...

OK, I feel better now

The guitar loops... any chance of just coming flat out and saying WHAT extra chords have been recorded for the audio ONLY section? I still have trouble envisioning what this will work like without at least dim aug and sus. None of those can be made from a maj/min/7th at all, and it's the total dropout of the audio loop that has most of us worried. Spalding made a very good point by stating that if you CAN'T tell the difference, why bother with loops at all, and if you CAN.... well, there goes your Unplugged, audio loop guitar styles, doesn't it?

Anyway, once again, thanks for the info... keep it coming.

And.... I can't BELIEVE that no-one at the Jam was interested in playing the Audya! If they had wanted to jam, they could have jammed on that, couldn't they? I would have been all over it, I assure you!

Anyway... if your software boffins are still working on the Audya, ask them this; Isn't there ANY way to increase the sample RAM past 64MB..? As fast as this loads (you seemed to indicate a 2MB/sec rate or so) a 512MB limit as a pre-load for a gig now seems a bit more practical. It would be what, about four minutes? That's worth doing. The 25 minutes a Yamaha would take for the same amount, not so much

And, how about the Chord Sequencer? You seem 80% already there...

Thanks for the info AJ, and your patience with our impatience!
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#256123 - 02/10/09 12:06 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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either via AUDYA or software or both ?

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#256124 - 02/10/09 12:21 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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the "total dropout of the audio loop" has me worried too Diki, and AJ, Ketron

i would want, or shall i say expect that the AUDYA play Maj, Min, 7th, Dim, Aug, Sus ALL with Audio loops

and then if need be, a 6th, 9th, 11th, 13th etc... introduce that one "missing note" via midi guitar note while continuing to play the Audio Loop

playing a C one measure with audio guitar loop, and then next meaure playing a C Aug, and having AUDYA stop playing audio and switch to total midi, and then playing a Dm, and AUDYA going back to Audio loop seems that it would be QUITE noticeable, at least to MY ears.

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#256125 - 02/10/09 12:26 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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but maybe there is hope as AJ said:

"As for the Audio Bass and Chords, Ketron will be enhancing this library as well with future updates."

the question is: what is Ketron's definition of "enhancing" ??

i prefer the word "expanding"

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#256126 - 02/10/09 02:19 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Here is what I have from another forum, (by the way reel good forum for arranger.)

I've just spoken with Keys Music in the UK and the Audya has definitely been received here in the UK and units have also been sold

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#256127 - 02/10/09 02:26 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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and what forum is this?

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#256128 - 02/10/09 02:37 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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#256129 - 02/10/09 02:44 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Ahhh... the CraigUK site where you can't even read the posts without his approval...

I can understand posting needing membership, but just to READ? Very few sites impose that. What can he be possibly trying to hide?

Did Osama get his Audya yet? Has that Iranian styles package got shipped yet? Do they come with box cutters if shipped to Saudi Arabia?
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#256130 - 02/10/09 04:16 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Thanks AJ,
I'm a little nervous about the release dates. .......


Release date - March 15 ... "...beware the IDES of March !!! ..."

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#256131 - 02/10/09 04:23 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Originally posted by Diki:
Ahhh... the CraigUK site where you can't even read the posts without his approval...

I can understand posting needing membership, but just to READ? Very few sites impose that. What can he be possibly trying to hide?

Did Osama get his Audya yet? Has that Iranian styles package got shipped yet? Do they come with box cutters if shipped to Saudi Arabia?


That site is still alive?
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#256132 - 02/10/09 04:52 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Originally posted by leezone:
the "total dropout of the audio loop" has me worried too Diki, and AJ, Ketron

i would want, or shall i say expect that the AUDYA play Maj, Min, 7th, Dim, Aug, Sus ALL with Audio loops

and then if need be, a 6th, 9th, 11th, 13th etc... introduce that one "missing note" via midi guitar note while continuing to play the Audio Loop


Audya plays Maj, Min with audio loops
for 67h, 7th, 9th, 11th, 13th it adds a note via MIDI

for Dim, Aug, Sus. it replaces the entire pattern with a MIDI one.

The MIDI replacement is quite noticeable in some styles where a "remixed" version of audio loops is used (for example a dance style with a wah wah guitar loop, the DISCO_MIX loop, number 60). There are really a few of these and are made by playing two loops together, one panned to the left and the other to the right, the panning is quite noticeable using headphones. Well... when MIDI parts kicks in are played in the centre, so when you play a 7th chord you hear the two loops on the left and right and a single note comin out from the center... when you play a Dim, Sus, Aug... the two loops disappear and you hear a midi pattern played in the center... yes... quite noticeable on these....
For other loops, the MIDI kick in is noticeable more on rock guitars parts.

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#256133 - 02/10/09 04:55 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Loading a 10,120 KB voice takes no more than 5 seconds with our new CPU[/B]


I measured the loading time of the STEREO_GRAND.INS (36.026.936 bytes) and it takes 30 seconds to load.

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#256134 - 02/10/09 05:34 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Originally posted by mrdave:
Audya plays Maj, Min with audio loops
for 67h, 7th, 9th, 11th, 13th it adds a note via MIDI

for Dim, Aug, Sus. it replaces the entire pattern with a MIDI one.

The MIDI replacement is quite noticeable in some styles where a "remixed" version of audio loops is used (for example a dance style with a wah wah guitar loop, the DISCO_MIX loop, number 60). There are really a few of these and are made by playing two loops together, one panned to the left and the other to the right, the panning is quite noticeable using headphones. Well... when MIDI parts kicks in are played in the centre, so when you play a 7th chord you hear the two loops on the left and right and a single note comin out from the center... when you play a Dim, Sus, Aug... the two loops disappear and you hear a midi pattern played in the center... yes... quite noticeable on these....
For other loops, the MIDI kick in is noticeable more on rock guitars parts.


so you mean noticable in a bad way or?
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#256135 - 02/10/09 07:27 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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#256136 - 02/10/09 08:19 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Hi AJ
you mentioned software for editing the DJ loops.
Does the software also edit the notes in the midi tracks in a style??
ie for those who create styles from scratch is there some sort of note editing available?


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ketron_AJ:

Full functioning software (for editing/creating DJ loops, styles, customization ...etc) will be made available and downloadable on our website at a later date. The complete manual is also being revised and will soon be up on our website for download.

Import/Recording Grooves:- Yes, you'll be able to use yours (Drums) with the assistance of software which we'll provide on our website. In STYLE VIEW, you can see the entire STYLE structure. By selecting CHORD-5 (F10), you can decide either to use AUDIO (and therefore select from a data base of guitar and other instrument parts that reside in AUDYA) or MIDI (select any instrument to assign to this track). As for the Audio Bass and Chords, Ketron will be enhancing this library as well with future updates.




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#256137 - 02/10/09 09:06 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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if Ketron can assure us that they will "enhance" or shall i say "expand" their audio guitar chords to include Aug, Dim, Sus, 7th them i will consider purchasing AUDYA,

AUDYA really needs to play ALL the chords i play via AUDYA loops, not HALF of them.

like i said i can deal with that extra midi note for the 6,11,13 chords, as long as the main chords keep on playing via Audio.

so can Ketron please elaborate on the future "enhancement" of bass.guitar audio chords?

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#256138 - 02/11/09 04:53 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Originally posted by leezone:
if Ketron can assure us that they will "enhance" or shall i say "expand" their audio guitar chords to include Aug, Dim, Sus, 7th them i will consider purchasing AUDYA,

AUDYA really needs to play ALL the chords i play via AUDYA loops, not HALF of them.

like i said i can deal with that extra midi note for the 6,11,13 chords, as long as the main chords keep on playing via Audio.

so can Ketron please elaborate on the future "enhancement" of bass.guitar audio chords?


Drop it, Lee! It ain't happening. I'm not sure if you realize what goes into streaming audio live on demand from a keyboard - if you did you wouldn't be unrealistic. If you think that the technology isn't up to your standard of performance, just say so and leave it at that. But you're making your point too many times about the only company making a substantial step into today's technology.

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#256139 - 02/11/09 05:24 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Its getting too much, it is people who will never buy Audya, this is getting childish.
If you guys dont like it leave it alone, there is 300000 other options and choices,
so stop trying to pick on anything possible, even if they fixed that we'll come up
with something new that also wouldnt make sense...as it doesnt now.

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#256140 - 02/11/09 05:28 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Originally posted by Dnj:

so you mean noticable in a bad way or?



I didn't like it

However...I won't take the audya in consideration anymore... the Pa2x is coming soon in my home

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#256141 - 02/11/09 05:47 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Originally posted by mrdave:
I didn't like it

However...I won't take the audya in consideration anymore... the Pa2x is coming soon in my home



Mrdave thanx for you honest answer......out of all the Audya features...not having all the different loops sound equal in quality as described when playing when they play is unacceptable....you have opened up a can of worms for sure that many have not addressed....isnt this what Diki & others have asked for Demos with more complex chords to see what "how the Audya handles them"?........enjoy your KORG unit.
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#256142 - 02/11/09 08:10 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Chony

if it aint happening then what does it mean when AJ said:

"As for the Audio Bass and Chords, Ketron will be enhancing this library as well with future updates."

Nedim, please list the other 30000 or so options....

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#256143 - 02/11/09 10:35 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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#256144 - 02/11/09 10:36 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Here is from last week when i met AJ at the Labs, it has stuff about the Chords:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctThgkI5N_M&feature=channel_page

More videos are coming today and tomorow.



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#256145 - 02/11/09 11:10 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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ok Nedim,

where are the remaining 299,976 options ?? ;-)

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#256146 - 02/11/09 01:10 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Hi Dave,
congratulations on the PA2X.
Hope we see you over at the Korg Forums.

best wishes
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I didn't like it

However...I won't take the audya in consideration anymore... the Pa2x is coming soon in my home
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#256147 - 02/11/09 01:16 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nedim:
Here is from last week when i met AJ at the Labs, it has stuff about the Chords:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctThgkI5N_M&feature=channel_page

More videos are coming today and tomorow.

[This message has been edited by Nedim (edited 02-11-2009).]



is there a new video demo that just shows the style interacting with more complex chords then these simple minor ones to hear how the Audya follows them & how the intellegent bass line.......no right hand just left hand chords please.
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#256148 - 02/11/09 01:29 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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i don't need any fancy demos, shiny demos...

all i need is...

to hear the guitar audio tracks in SOLO mode, playing a Maj chord, then a Dim, then Min, then Sus, then Minor, then 7th

I want to HEAR what really happens, and how it really sounds.

i don't want or need to hear the other instruments (bass, drums, piano etc) "masking" the guitar track. :-)

oh , i just may have to ask AJ to do that on the 22nd :-)

or i just may have to try it myself ;-)

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#256149 - 02/11/09 02:30 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Hey, mrdave.. If Ketron won't do that, how about sticking a quick demo of this up if you still have access to the Audya...

And what about these European users that have already GOT one in their hands? Any chance of a simple demo of the guitar parts just arranger section, and soloed (you know, Unplugged, like!)?

If they are out there, someone needs to show what this puppy can REALLY do!
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#256150 - 02/11/09 02:49 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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this is like pulling teeth n sheeeeeeeesh!!
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#256151 - 02/11/09 03:08 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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i think pulling teeth is easier...

not to beat a dead horse BUT...

i just wanna know exactly what "enhancements" is AJ/Ketron referring to when it comes to the future of the AUDYA's guitar audio chords..??...

does he mean Ketron will just continue to record more of the same BASIC chords with different types of guitars for existing and upcoming styles ??

OR

Ketron will record MORE chords for existing and future styles (ie. Aug, Dim, Sus, 7th) so that we never have TOTAL audio guitar dropouts ???

once my question is answered, i will stop asking... till then you'll just have to deal... ;-)

thank you

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#256152 - 02/11/09 03:33 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Lee, i'll show you the rest next week when i see you in NYC.
DNJ, there is few more Demos, not specifically what you asked
but there will be a lot of chords alone too.
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#256153 - 02/11/09 03:41 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Originally posted by Diki:
Hey, mrdave.. If Ketron won't do that, how about sticking a quick demo of this up if you still have access to the Audya...


WHen I'll go to visit my friend at the music store I'll try to do some recording, last time I wasn't able to do that because the audya didn't recognize my USB pen, it was a 128K USB 1.1 pen and didn't get recognized, next time I'll go with a 2.0 2GB one...

BTW: Reasons that let me opt for PA2x:
1) Far more programmability (specially sounds, the possibility to program up to 16 oscillators per sound is really intriguing me...)
2) Better drawbars sounds (at least for my taste, I didn't like Ketron frawbars at all... sounded just like plain sine waves and if you play them over the 61-key range they wrap around COMPLETELY... i.e. if you play D7 key you get the same sound as D6 and if you play B1 key you get B2 sound)
3) One Touch Buttons for styles, I always liked that feature, to program 4 sounds related to the style you select. The Audya has Registrations, but I found them not so immediate.
4) Price. Paying 500+ euro more to get the only thing I liked on the audya (live drums on styles, the only thing I think renders the styles outstanding) was out of question.
5) I don't need 5 players, DJ loops, key tunes (even Pa2x however can do key tunes)...
6) RAM on the Pa2X is expandable to 256MB, while on the audya is fixed at 64MB.

Things of audya perhaps I will miss are very good audio drums on styles and very good fillins and breaks, pa2x has only 2 fills and 1 break, I hope Korg guys will improve this just as they added the 3rd ending on the pa1x when it had only two at first .

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#256154 - 02/11/09 04:02 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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DNJ, there is few more Demos, not specifically what you asked
but there will be a lot of chords alone too.



Thanx and leave out the right hand i just want to hear the more in depth left hand chords & all the fluff recognition associated with them as they play and change that's all.
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#256155 - 02/11/09 04:07 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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At 1:51 AJ plays a Sus chord and if you listen carefully you can hear the sound is a little different...

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#256156 - 02/11/09 04:56 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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It sound like the strum changed a little but it didn't sound bad. I don't think the dim, aug etc chord changes would really matter to me if they were midi. as long as it doesn't drop out. but it sounds good, like a live guitar.
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#256157 - 02/11/09 05:09 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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common we need real demos showing what we are asking ....is this so hard to do?
or do you want to spend $5000.000 and then realize what a mistake you made?
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#256158 - 02/11/09 05:22 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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MrDave,
I hope you like the PA2XPRO...I sure do...a lot of the same reasons.
One thing...once you get it, and have time to dig in and see what's really there...I think you will have a BIG smile on your face.

Wait until you see what the new DNC is capable of!

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#256159 - 02/11/09 10:09 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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I did not know that so many persons on this forum play a style with just one track soloed? I would think the point of an arranger is to sound like a band? So why is it important to have just one track playing. Isn't it importan t as to how the style sound as a whole and how it sounds in a practical setting?
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#256160 - 02/11/09 11:19 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Your are right to a point To the Genesys but arrangers are so incredibly felxible, people use them in very many different ways and so if people want to reduce the accompaniment just to a guitar section then thats what they want. I have heard the latest demos from AJ and i have no problem with them. I think the strongest selling point for the Audya is the AI. i would like to see more demo's of this on different styles. The live intelligent interaction is what really sets the keyboard apart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVTMtKNgVmw&feature=channel_page

Aj Whats going on with the brass in within this funk fusion style at 2.20 in this clip ? sounds like it is not recognising the chord correctly .

Yhe same style is being used in this clip and the same odd brass is happening here at 1.53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ5HoRPBvBs

Sorry for all the questions. Is the Audya in the UK and where can i try one ?

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#256161 - 02/11/09 11:45 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Hi Spalding
http://www.ketronmusic.co.uk/

Give them a bell, and they should be able to tell you where your nearest dealer is.

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#256162 - 02/12/09 05:44 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
i don't need any fancy demos, shiny demos...

all i need is...

to hear the guitar audio tracks in SOLO mode, playing a Maj chord, then a Dim, then Min, then Sus, then Minor, then 7th

I want to HEAR what really happens, and how it really sounds.

i don't want or need to hear the other instruments (bass, drums, piano etc) "masking" the guitar track. :-)

oh , i just may have to ask AJ to do that on the 22nd :-)

or i just may have to try it myself ;-)


...And if the sound is to your satisfaction, will you buy one? Just curious.

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#256163 - 02/12/09 06:01 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Hahahahahaha...
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#256164 - 02/12/09 06:07 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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10% will say "I'm getting one!"
50% will complain that it's too expensive, heavy, flimsy etc.
30% will say "it doesn't have enough sounds in it!"
10% will say "maybe I'll get one someday".

Of the 20% who indicated that they might or definitely would purchase, 0.5% will actually do so, yielding total sales of 4 keyboards.
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#256165 - 02/12/09 06:13 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by ianmcnll:
Of the 20% who indicated that they might or definitely would purchase, 0.5% will actually do so, yielding total sales of 4 keyboards.


....only if you start with 800 people.

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#256166 - 02/12/09 06:17 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by cgiles:
....only if you start with 800 people.

chas



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#256167 - 02/12/09 06:21 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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chony,

i will get one if Ketron enhances/expands library to includes Audio Guitar Loops for All Chords.

one extra midi note to make chord is OK
total audio dropout in a NO for me...

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#256168 - 02/12/09 06:21 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Al demo's of the Audya i hear Drums,no other instrument can be heard in the style's.
Is this thing a hoax ore something ??

Never heard a decent demo of it.

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#256169 - 02/12/09 06:30 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Impuls,

why not enhance AUDYA's best sounding style part?

isn't that the best way to "hide" it's flaws?


ye, ye, audio guitar tracks are meant to enhance NOT replace the part...whatever

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#256170 - 02/12/09 08:32 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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30 seconds to load 36 megabytes into the Audya?? That is classic USB 1.1 transfer speeds. But we all knew that right?

When you're on stage in front of thousands of people (okay, I'm an optimist I admit ) those 30 seconds can seem like a lifetime unfortunately. It's unfortunate because Ketron could have "very easily" spent a few extra bucks and given the Audya USB 2.0.

>> Every second before an audience counts. Twiddling your thumbs for 30 seconds or more waiting for something to load into the keyboard isn't my idea of spending time wisely. USB 2.0 could have reduced that load time to a fraction of what it actually took. >> Thanks for being penny wise and pound foolish with the Audya Ketron. It may come back to haunt you in the end. Maybe it already has...

All the best,
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#256171 - 02/12/09 11:24 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Mike, the sample loads from hard drive, not USB. That one very large piano sample is the only one that takes more than a couple of seconds to load. I watched AJ load several of them.
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#256172 - 02/12/09 12:05 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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AJ quote:

"We are working on some demos that should be up and running soon."

question: how soon is "soon" ???

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#256173 - 02/12/09 02:27 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
...question: how soon is "soon" ???


In the "Audya way" like we've learned it by now?
Answer: Thats years!!

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#256174 - 02/12/09 02:46 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Boy you guys are really hammering Ketron, I mean the thing isn't even finished yet, so give them a break, or you may just chuck away the greatest developement in arrangers yet. Shure, I have lots more questions b4 I may buy one, and it wont be without a hands on tryout, so give them a go, if you guys were as hard on Yamaha and Korg, wow I can only wonder how those keyboards may have improved till now, maybe thats it, we all need to put the torch on the other makers as well, at least I'm seeing and hearing more Ketron than I ever did with Korg, and Yamaha b4 a release to this point. Remenber they are not even in most countries for sale yet, so hold out there until you try it for yourself, and no keyboard is perfect remember that, I think that Yammy and Korg have learnt how to hide the flaws better!!!

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#256175 - 02/12/09 03:27 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Keyb, you got you calculations wrong,
Audya doesnt even load from USB.
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#256176 - 02/12/09 04:34 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by ianmcnll:
10% will say "I'm getting one!"
50% will complain that it's too expensive, heavy, flimsy etc.
30% will say "it doesn't have enough sounds in it!"
10% will say "maybe I'll get one someday".

Of the 20% who indicated that they might or definitely would purchase, 0.5% will actually do so, yielding total sales of 4 keyboards.


You have heard it hear first the Audya will have the same stats as the PSR 900 numbers.
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#256177 - 02/12/09 06:45 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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God, Mike... How many times do I have to say it?

The interface speed has got JACK to do with how fast a sampler loads up. Other than an out and out computer (which MS and Wersi have), show me ONE sampler, from anyone, that loads up at USB2 speeds... or even USB1.1, even...

MotifXS...? NO. FantomG...? NO. Korg M3...? NO. Kurzweil...? NO.

Find something that CAN do it, before you bitch at Ketron for not... One thing the Ketron sampler does, that NOTHING else hardware does... It multitasks. It's the first thing I ever heard of that can load samples and still keep playing. Doesn't THAT float your boat? No need to keep twiddling while it loads... play something!

Do you even HAVE a sampler? Ever use one? How come you don't know this stuff?
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#256178 - 02/12/09 07:10 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Sorry guys, with all do respect, i dont know most of you and what you know but few of you
in here are just blabering and i also know few of you dont even know how to turn a machine on.
To some of you SuperArticulation or terms like Filters, Amps and other stuff is some Martian
language...and here you are judging a machine that you probably never phsically see it, not buy it
...i repeat not all but you reall dont make sense...this is sad, you falling on a low level, this topic is
not even my level to reply anymore and i wont on this topic anymore...
DIKI said the rest...keep blabering...

Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Do you even HAVE a sampler? Ever use one? How come you don't know this stuff?


Thats a wrong queston, you should ask if some people even know what that is...

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#256179 - 02/12/09 09:42 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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This could have all been settled if they would just show us a demo of what the audya does with complex chords changes.....a simple request that just keeps getting side stepped....plain & simple.
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#256180 - 02/13/09 12:22 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by keybplayer:
30 seconds to load 36 megabytes into the Audya?? That is classic USB 1.1 transfer speeds. But we all knew that right?

When you're on stage in front of thousands of people (okay, I'm an optimist I admit ) those 30 seconds can seem like a lifetime unfortunately. It's unfortunate because Ketron could have "very easily" spent a few extra bucks and given the Audya USB 2.0.

>> Every second before an audience counts. Twiddling your thumbs for 30 seconds or more waiting for something to load into the keyboard isn't my idea of spending time wisely. USB 2.0 could have reduced that load time to a fraction of what it actually took. >> Thanks for being penny wise and pound foolish with the Audya Ketron. It may come back to haunt you in the end. Maybe it already has...

All the best,
Mike

[This message has been edited by keybplayer (edited 02-12-2009).]


Yamaha is USB 2, and is even slower.

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#256181 - 02/13/09 08:39 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
"Yamaha is USB 2, and is even slower..."


Classic case of a keyboard manufacturer not using hardware that is optimized to take advantage of the USB 2.0 interface.

>> Okay, my bad. I thought the piano sample was being loaded from USB. OTOH, taking 30 seconds from the Hard Drive is even more disconcerting considering hard drive transfer speeds exceeds those of USB 2.0 The Audya probably has a chug a lug 4,200 RPM 2.5" HD I suppose.

It is quite apparent, to me anyway, that we have "another" manufacturer stopping up the pipes i.e. producing unneeded "bottlenecks" within the innards of the keyboard itself instead of optimizing it for highest efficiency and thereby taking advantage of transfer speeds inherent to the devices themselves. At least that should be the goal anyway. It is up to the manufacturer(s) whether they choose to instill optimum efficiency for all given devices inherent on the keyboard though - i.e. the CPU(s), memory controllers, mainboard(s) (northbridge/southbridge) FSB, Hard Drive/SSD (along with RPM spindle speed) and or SATA/IDE, USB interface type, capacitors, Flash RAM type, RAM type e.g. PC100/DDR/DDR2/DDR3 etc., etc., etc... >> And don't think it has to cost an arm and leg for those superior higher efficiency parts either, because in most cases it doesn't, except when we're talking about SSD's for hard drives. And it will probably take keyboard manufacturers another 20 years (since they lag the common computer industry timetable many fold ) before we ever see SSD drives in keyboards. Unless, of course, things change within the keyboard industry... Don't hold your breath though.

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#256182 - 02/13/09 08:45 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Isnt USB 3.0 coming out soon also?
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#256183 - 02/13/09 10:45 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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yes, it is and in fact....

USB3 will be incorporated into the AUDYA3

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#256184 - 02/13/09 12:20 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Mike, I seriously recommend Googling some basic facts about embedded hardware, data pipes in chips commonly used by keyboard manufacturers, the difference between a computer and a hardware device, basic stuff like that...

Without even a basic knowledge of how hardware works, as opposed to computers, you are merely extrapolating one from the other, and that's just NOT the way it works.

If you want computer speeds on a hardware sampler, you could choose the Muse Receptor series, MS, Wersi or Neko's. Anything other than these will be glacially slow. It's no coincidence that Hollywood has migrated from hardware samplers to software ones over the last ten years. But hardware, at the current generation of controller chips available to keyboard manufacturers, is simply incapable of keeping up with even a good USB1 system, let alone USB2 or eSATA.

Get your facts straight before you swing wildly at a keyboard that is actually BETTER than most others... (at this feature, anyway!)
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#256185 - 02/14/09 05:44 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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So, here it is, a recording of a live guitar part playing different flavours of C chord.

Progression is:

Cmaj, Cmin, Cmaj, C7, Csus4, Cmaj, Cdim, Cmaj, Caug

GuitarChords.mp3

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#256186 - 02/14/09 06:17 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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OMG that was terrible!!! what the heck happened on the Csus4 chord the sound changed in claerity & went mono left side also? is this what happens when the the smf & mp3s kick in to the the style during complex chord play? Is this why we havnt heard any of these demos yet until now?

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#256187 - 02/14/09 06:30 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Me oh my, this sounds bad.
Hopefully this is a settings issue, if not, hmmmmmm...........
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#256188 - 02/14/09 06:44 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Gunnar Jonny:
Me oh my, this sounds bad.
Hopefully this is a settings issue, if not, hmmmmmm...........
GJ



So the proof is really in the pudding...?
I doubt that's a settings issue the other previous chords were ok until the complex ones kicked in.......
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#256189 - 02/14/09 06:53 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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I think something must have gone wrong somewhere, as I cant imagine the standard voices being that major a difference from the loops.

On the other hand, a lot of modern (Complex) styles fall apart if you remove one of the tracks that the manufacture has incorporated into them, so that could also be the reason. (This is the main reason I prefer Roland styles, rather then the all singing all dancing Yamaha styles)

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#256190 - 02/14/09 07:07 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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MRDAVE it is very bad what you are doing and it is not fair towards Ketron and the members
in here too, you are simply lying to them. This is an unfinished Audya that you are using,
no matter who the hell on the forum you are and who you are or what you know i have no respect
for you, you might have an agenda with this but
this is not the Audya people will pay for.
Trust me, i know that a lot better then YOU!
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#256191 - 02/14/09 07:10 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Wow! That's not a good sign...unless the panning for the non-audio guitar parts was set wrong.

Give me my Yamaha mega voiced guitar parts any day...they read ALL the chords AND they sound incredible.

The Audya has more dominant drums (which you may or may not want) but there's very little to recommend the audio guitar tracks if that's the way they behave.

Very disappointing.

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#256192 - 02/14/09 07:18 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nedim:
MRDAVE it is very bad what you are doing and it is not fair towards Ketron and the members
in here too, you are simply lying to them. This is an unfinished Audya that you are using,
no matter who the hell on the forum you are and who you are or what you know I have no respect
for you, you might have an agenda with this but
this is not the Audya people will pay for.
Trust me, i know that a lot better then YOU!



nedim this is why ketron should of never even mentioned the Audya until it is a full working production model...now that everyone has a bad taste in their mouth & questions never answered or demonstrated until this horrible one......it will be an uphill battle for sure for them.....& then add on a $5000.00 price tag I wanted to really see Audya be successful but little by little they are losing altitude....sorry.
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#256193 - 02/14/09 07:19 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by ianmcnll:
Give me my Yamaha mega voiced guitar parts any day...they read ALL the chords AND they sound incredible.
Ian


AMEN Ian AMEN!!
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#256194 - 02/14/09 07:35 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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DNJ you are right about it but also that doesnt
give us the right to blaber nonsense in here as
whatever we want. We can only judge once the
instrument is finished, not now. All over the
forum i follow MRDave and its not good what he
is doing, he is trying to be nice and sneaky
about it but most members take him seriously
especially the ones with less experience...
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#256195 - 02/14/09 08:00 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Could this bad sounding examples have something to do in what way
the chords are played.
I mean, if it's in rooth or different inversion?

Anyway, if it's so, then Ketron surely have a job to do.

GJ
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#256196 - 02/14/09 08:08 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nedim:
....... but also that doesnt
give us the right to blaber nonsense in here as
whatever we want.


Heyyy, we can blabber as much as we wanna do, it's Ketron who have to come
into the sceene and prove what's wrong in our "blabber" and what's coming.
After all, who started the big Audya hype years ago?
Way to early if you ask me, they should have waited a bit longer.

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#256197 - 02/14/09 08:11 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nedim:
MRDAVE it is very bad what you are doing and it is not fair towards Ketron and the members
in here too, you are simply lying to them. This is an unfinished Audya that you are using,
no matter who the hell on the forum you are and who you are or what you know i have no respect
for you, you might have an agenda with this but
this is not the Audya people will pay for.
Trust me, i know that a lot better then YOU!


This audya is the one Ketron sent to the music shop to be SOLD. So regarding the hardware it must be the final revision. Talking of the software implementation, perhaps it's not complete, in effect it has things missing, and many flaws, but I sincerely doubt the problem with live guitars will go away. The only way to correct this is to provide live versions of ALL different chords instead of emulating them via MIDI, and this would take a LOT of memory and the chips inside the audya simply can't cope with this.

Please note that with this I don't want to say Audya doesn't sound good. That sample was created muting ALL other tracks and leaving only the ACC5 track where live guitar sounds are. If you hear the style with all parts sounding, it's more difficult to notice the change, since in ACC4 for example there another MIDI guitar that plays over the live one and drums cover a lot the sound since have a high volume.

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#256198 - 02/14/09 08:13 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Nedim,

Do not be alarmed. It is clear how all these Ketron slayers follow you from thread to thread like a bunch of rotten spoiled scool brats having nothing better to do. They do not contribute a thing towards the rest of the arranger community, but they know everything there is to know about everything. They should turn that energy towards creating something useful to the rest of us instead and rather earn some respect instead of demanding it with foolish accusations.

I've never owned a Ketron before (that is about to change), but I take note of the statements made by actual Ketron owners how Ketron has always in the past updated their OS systems free of charge, even years later.

If you look at the T3, you'll notice that very little extra comes free of charge, but no one seems to be concerned a bit about this.

Let Ketron finish this fantastic product and not take notice of these rude statements. Without exception, everyone who plays a Ketron over a sound system publicly compliments the oustanding full and rich sounds, megavoices or not.

The Audya is the beginning of something new and great and as such will most definitely receive a lot of critisism - no ground breaking achievements come without this.

Remember, there is a saying: Jealousy makes you nasty.

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#256199 - 02/14/09 08:29 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by mrdave:
..... since in ACC4 for example there another MIDI guitar that plays over the live one and drums cover a lot the sound since have a high volume.


Would be nice to hear both acc4 and 5 together.
May give a different view....
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#256200 - 02/14/09 08:45 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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i'm just worried that this AUDYA will be available here in the US on March 15th, and this is how the guitar tracks will sound

Nedim said this isn't the finished model, and we shouldn't judge it prematurely

so , i guess that in 1 month KETRON will "fix it" and have it FINISHED??

and i say "fix it" because this is not how a $5,000 arranger, (probably one of the MOST expensive arrangers yet), should sound

sorry if MY standards are HIGHER than everyone elses.

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#256201 - 02/14/09 08:55 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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can't seem to download, link seems dead
can someone repost?

NEVERMIND, i was able to redownload...

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#256202 - 02/14/09 09:12 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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BTW,

i can hear that C7 midi note, the Bb, VERY well

BUT i can deal with it

otherwise, the audio track sounds EXCELLENT on Maj and Min chords

The Sus, Dim, Aug,??
Well, i'll just keep my opinion to myself ;-(

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#256203 - 02/14/09 09:37 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Guys, they already TOLD us that all the chord extensions don't sound when just using audio. To hear just the audio track doesn't give a true idea of what the Audya sounds like when you play in normally. The midi chords would fill in the blanks.
I haven't listened to the sample because it wouldn't be of any benefit.
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#256204 - 02/14/09 09:39 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
BTW,

i can hear that C7 midi note, the Bb, VERY well

BUT i can deal with it

otherwise, the audio track sounds EXCELLENT on Maj and Min chords

The Sus, Dim, Aug,??
Well, i'll just keep my opinion to myself ;-(


Lee can you deal with a $5000.00 price tag after you just heard this demo also?
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#256205 - 02/14/09 09:48 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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what demo also?

i've already said that the AUDYA should not be a penny over $4,000 if it wants to be competitive with the other guys

sure there will be people buying at $5,000

but WAY MANY more would buy if it was under $4k, what would that mean? much more profit for Ketron...

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#256206 - 02/14/09 09:51 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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DonM you said:

"To hear just the audio track doesn't give a true idea of what the Audya sounds like when you play in normally"

It does give you a true idea of what the AUDYA sounds like if most of what you play is "unplugged" like... with just guitar, or just guitar , bass..

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#256207 - 02/14/09 09:51 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nedim:
DNJ you are right about it but also that doesnt
give us the right to blaber nonsense in here as
whatever we want. We can only judge once the
instrument is finished, not now. All over the
forum i follow MRDave and its not good what he
is doing, he is trying to be nice and sneaky
about it but most members take him seriously
especially the ones with less experience...


Nedim I am one of the few that has actually seen, heard & touched the Audya.....I really liked what I heard for the most part although It wasn't an in depth demo due to the time restraints.....so the complex chord applications couldn't be addressed at that time. Quality build, & really nice navigational layout was very nice with all the quality sliders, but I didn't like the mod wheels positioning...would love to see a joy stick instead. Riffs kicked in nice too in var 4....I wish Audya wasn't presented in this fashion I think its a shame what has been done here to represent this item at this time. Definitely improvements could have been made & they probably regret what is happening in the music community also starting with the Audya "NO SHOW" at NAMM left people wondering also....this is an expensive piece people will be more critcical at these prices for sure & also are worried about service if needed too....lets see what turns up in a month or so. I would say after these workshops somethings has to be fortold.
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#256208 - 02/14/09 10:01 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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all i want to hear for now is that the audio guitar library will be expanded to include Sus, Dim, Aug Chords IF the AUDYAS memory can handle it that is ...

AJ did mention insinuate that enhancements would come but..who knows what that means

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#256209 - 02/14/09 10:50 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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People, stop blabering, i've been on this forum for 2 months and lost respect for
most of you, its like a bunch of guys having nothing else to do, going around and
criticizing people and companies. Stop deffending yourselfs on the Hype Ketron
give 3 years ago. Wait for a finished Model, then judge, they can give hype 10
year ago but you have no right to judge it then, not before its finished. Stop acting
like a bunch of kids and telling me i am agressive or whatever. We are like a bunch
of old ladies in here worying about each others feelings. Who gives a DAMN about
your feelings, i dont give a flock about anyones feelings if you are wrong. Go hide
your self and cry if i offended you, or cry to the admin and ban me.
MRDave, so now, you really think this is how the AUDYA will sound? That chord
is the worst thing i've heard in my life, and yes, i tried it too and it did the same thing
to me in front of me but you really think i am that stupid to believe that Ketron will
leave it like that on a 5000$ machine? I dont know, only Stupid person can believe
so and again, i dont give a flock about anyones feelings. There was few members
in here that i had respect for but they proved they are just lil kids not knowing
anything...and Lee, you are pushing it too much bro, i expected more from you.
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#256210 - 02/14/09 10:54 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
Nedim Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
....so the complex chord applications couldn't be addressed at that time.



See how nicely you put it, not at that time but Dave goes as far as to believe that he had
the final Audya and trust me, if ME and AJ dont have one none of YOU wont have one.
Before ME and AJ none in the USA wil have a full AUDYA, Europe is a different story
cuz there is more MEs and AJs in there too, not just in USA. But even there, its not YET!
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#256211 - 02/14/09 10:54 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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#256212 - 02/14/09 10:55 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
Nedim Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Henni:
They do not contribute a thing towards the rest of the arranger community, but they know everything there is to know about everything.

Not all but most of them know shit, i know guys
and customers liek this, that know eveything then
in private ask me how do i lower the volume.
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#256213 - 02/14/09 11:09 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by DonM:
Guys, they already TOLD us that all the chord extensions don't sound when just using audio. To hear just the audio track doesn't give a true idea of what the Audya sounds like when you play in normally. The midi chords would fill in the blanks.
I haven't listened to the sample because it wouldn't be of any benefit.
DonM


Agreed. It is a blatant misrepresentation of the Audya.

Ketron never said that the audio track of a style played by itself would be perfect. That is not the function of the audio track in the style.

Also, I could be wrong but Ketron never referred to the audio track on a style as a guitar audio track.
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#256214 - 02/14/09 11:42 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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That posted audio sample is useless...

Donny first off the panned track is to the right ..not the left..

Mr Dave muted tracks..how in the world can you judge this sound in this manner...Mute some tracks on your S900 and see if you like what you hear....

I have no doubt..Ketron will come away a winner with this keyboard...
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#256215 - 02/14/09 11:43 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Genesys, you are right but i guess to most in
here AUDIO means only GTR TRACKS, Vocals is MIDI.
What about the BASS track? Noone mention it?
Or does that still work on Cords pluging in the
synth like on my ARP2600?

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#256216 - 02/14/09 11:58 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Korg and Yamaha have this thing beat in regards to the style tracks.

My little S900's mega voices sound far better (and read ALL chords perfectly) than the demos I've heard so far, especially if I isolate the mega guitar tracks.

The demos from the Korg arrangers with their new upgrade are equally fine...in fact, even the Roland styles are better...well, not really, but they at least have drum tracks that are as good.

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#256217 - 02/14/09 12:01 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Nedim,

reading your posts calling people stupid and kids and not knowing shit
sure don't give me more resepct for you than you seem to give many of
the members here.
It's OK that you defend Ketron and Audya, there are many of us who really
would like to see this baby and the factory grow into a big success, but
even if you like it or not, there are quite a while since Ketron pressed
the startbutton and the big hype about this baby began.
So who is there to blame?
Those of us who ask questions or those who don't don't bother to give any
serious answers?

GJ
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#256218 - 02/14/09 12:02 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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#256219 - 02/14/09 12:13 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
ianmcnll Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nedim:

Not all but most of them know shit, i know guys
and customers liek this, that know eveything then
in private ask me how do i lower the volume.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, bucko, but you guys introduced an incomplete instrument...how bright is that?

It's like telling us the car that you will sell will work even better once you put all 4 wheels on it.

Some of us here might have been born at night....but not last night.



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#256220 - 02/14/09 12:48 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
leezone Offline
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Nedim. I have never disrespected anyone here. I have never called anyone stupid either Everyone has the right to express their opinions. I have expressed mine. I know you love ketron. I do too. But facts are facts. Nedim. I understand that the AUDYA is not finished. Are you telling us we should wait one more month. And then judge? I will be You. A ketron audya that it will still be the. Same in 1 month. The audya will still play midi for complex chords. Thee is no way they will have it ready . No way . That's my opinion Until it plays audio for all chords I will consider this keyboard. Unfinished. You can have your own opinion. But please respect your fellow members and refrain from calling them stupid Looking forward to meeting you in NY. If you go. All the best to you and ketron.

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#256221 - 02/14/09 12:57 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
"Agreed. It is a blatant misrepresentation of the Audya."

"Ketron never said that the audio track of a style played by itself would be perfect. That is not the function of the audio track in the style."


So that means, "if you can live with the Audya's limitations then it should suit you quite well?"

I'm not sure many people would be willing to fork over 5 (count 'em $$$$$ thousand *PLUS* VAT and/or Tax) for such a handicapped piece of equipment??? Maybe that's why AJ wouldn't let anybody play the Audya at the last Jam if the truth were known?? Because, perhaps he didn't want anybody to find out any of the Audya's apparent flaws in the process when people actually played it? You realize that the "cat would have been let out of the bag" and the truth would be known right? Because 99.9% of arranger keyboardists (except Fran and Gary ) use more chords than just major/minor.

Of course we now know the "results" anyway; because the truth still came out, just a little later than we had hoped.

All the best,
Mike

PS: To each his own I suppose. But for me the Audya is looking more and more like a white elephant in sheep's clothing. Whatever that means. You decide for yourself...
Maybe things will get better after it is "finished" eh? Apparently they're selling it unfinished I guess huh? Roland did the same thing with the Fantom G but it was more of a cosmetic OS makeover (which Roland has fixed and continues to update and fix and enhance), whereas with the Audya it looks to be the very lifeblood of the beast itself apparently i.e. the "sound" itself with the sound discrepancy between audio and midi within the context of playing the Styles, which is the lifeblood of every arranger. And something that apparently can't be fixed. Sad... but apparently true. Food for thought anyway.
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#256222 - 02/14/09 01:04 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nedim:

See how nicely you put it, not at that time but Dave goes as far as to believe that he had
the final Audya


I'm not in the USA, I live nearly 200Km from the Ketron factory in Italy. and here Audya shipped in mid december.

Ok. do you want all the story? Well.. there are so many people who bougth the audya and returned it just after some days of use due to deadlocks, bugs and so on. People here in Italy are really upset for this, if you know italian just search some italian forum like this: http://www.supportimusicali.it/forum/forum.asp?r=1
Now, it's simply impossible that Ketron would sell a piece of hardware that's incomplete in the hardware design, so the only incomplete part is the software.
If they managed NOT to stream the live guitar loops from HD, but keep them in ROMS, (the only thing streamed from HD during style play is the drum track), I'm pretty sure they won't be able to add the missing chords using live guitars, they're stuck with emulating them via MIDI. THe only thing they can do is do these MIDI parts better. And I relly hope they will do so.
And, as I stated several times, the loop posted was just to show how things are done inside the machine for the guitar audio part. As I said, styles when played complete with all tracks sounds outstanding. As I said I opted for the Pa2x for various reasons, the main one is I didn't like right hand sounds and lack of advanced sound editing, but this is a PERSONAL taste.

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#256223 - 02/14/09 01:20 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
Dnj Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
That posted audio sample is useless...

Donny first off the panned track is to the right ..not the left..



Well fran I hope your right Mr Dave posted & I heard crap......the proof will be in the pudding & I'm sure Leezone will check all this chord stuff out at the workshop next week & report back..



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#256224 - 02/14/09 01:24 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
mrdave Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nedim:
Genesys, you are right but i guess to most in
here AUDIO means only GTR TRACKS, Vocals is MIDI.
What about the BASS track? Noone mention it?


Bass parts are all MIDI, there're no live bass on the audya, Even when you select a bass line from "Bass bank" this is still MIDI. These are PATTERNS, You can change the sound while the style is playing and it still plays the pattern selected. Same thing for Arp & Licks, these are MIDI patterns.

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#256225 - 02/14/09 02:01 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
Nedim Offline
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I dont deffend Ketron nor Audya, they are not
my brothers nor father nor mother...
we just simply crossed the limits of reasonable
and started making nonsense...
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#256226 - 02/14/09 03:19 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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the way i see it is that those that are defending this AUDYA chord limitation dont really care, or don't need it to sound consistent while playing a style

but the fact is I do, and i think i speak for many here that also care

facts are facts,
the truth must be told,
not hidden,

we have to know EXACTLY what we are buying,

and all these questions, comments, posts (be they negative) are the ONLY way most of us will ever get any answers and get to the bottom of this

i do not want to be like one of those guys in Italy and have to return the keyboard when i find out its limitations

i want to know the AUDYA and what it can/ cannot do BEFORE i buy it, if i by it that is...

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#256227 - 02/14/09 04:25 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Hi,
I just downloaded the 74 page manual Bill mentioned in another thread http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/019107.html
is this document current??

I can't see any mention of being able to record user styles from scratch??
only some basic stuff on how to alter voices, panning etc on page 26 and the section on user styles page 53.

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#256228 - 02/14/09 04:27 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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This all stinks. You cant have it both ways Nedim. The Audya is it would appear being sold apparently (according to Mr Dave )only 50% complete (according to Nedim) and then members are scolded like naughty children for speaking out about what sounds like serious deficiencies in the 'Unfinished product" .

Ketron needs to get its act together. If this instrument is not ready for sale DONT DEMO IT , DONT SELL IT AND DONT MARKET IT .

I was not aware that the bass was not audio as well.... Thanks for your plain speaking Mr Dave. So what sounds are real audio ? Just the drums and some guitar tracks ??? Isnt that simply a minor improvement over the SD1 ?

Nedim if your temper gets the better of you and you choose to insult people for expressing opinions on a product that is not ready then channel your anger appropriately at the people at Ketron that chose to let a unfinished product get out there. They should never have done that. They should never have piqued peoples appetites and then clammed up when hard questions were and still are being asked about the instruments current capabilities . There is no point in telling people to wait and see what the finished product will sound like when it was Ketron that baited potential buyers with an unfinished product.

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#256229 - 02/14/09 05:35 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Spald, i am in contact with Ketron everyday and they get a lot more anger from me then here
but you have to understand, this here is not opinions, it has nothing to do with someones
opinions but its plain insults on a company for no reason. If you started building a sound and
you sent it to me and told me, Nedim this is not finished but check it out does that give me the
right to say SPALD YOUR SOUND SUCKS??? I dont think so..so it cant be opiniated yet.
It can in a reasonable way but not bashing at it without any knowledge of it.

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#256230 - 02/14/09 06:38 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Ketron really needs to take some serious action. They can not have persons on this or any other forum misrepresenting what the Audya is not living up to. To me, it is akin to someone reverse engineering a product and then try to make it do something that it was not intended to do and calling the product bad.

They really need to take action against persons making careless statements like Audya's apparent flaws.
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#256231 - 02/14/09 07:10 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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i hear you Nedim but Ketron should expressly stated in writing and obtained a written consent that they do not want this information to go public. When Korg was planning the launch of their expanded sounds for both the M3 and the PA2X they asked people to test it and i know for a fact that those people were under a gagging order which would not permit them to say to anyone else what their opinions were. This is basic stuff and if Ketron did not make this clear to whoever they gave the incomplete units to then it is still their cock up

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#256232 - 02/14/09 07:24 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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I think this thread has gone a bit out of hand.
I find it sad that a well respected company like Ketron is getting a bashing like this. At least give Ketron the benefit of the doubt and let them actually release the final product, then discuss it.
What some of you are doing is damaging Ketron for no apparent reason.
Okay, sure they should not have started marketing this product soo early but they did, I think we just need to be patient and see if they can solve the issues. Hopefuly they will hire some marketing experts in the future and not make a mistakes like this again.

Some of you guys keep mentioning the 5000$ price as being to high... maybe in the US, in Europe that's not the case, it is actually cheaper than the Tyros3. Unfortunately for you guys in the US the main market will probably be in Europe as we have a LOT of arranger players here, especially in Germany and Denmark where I am shure the Audya will sell quite well.

I really hope they will succeed, I think it has the potential.

Brgds

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#256233 - 02/14/09 10:54 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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The people mentioning the price tag are purely guessing. The U.S. distributor told me that he does not know what the price will be until they are delivered to him. If he doesn't know, then nobody else in the U.S. can.
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#256234 - 02/14/09 11:23 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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No Don, you are wrong, the US distributor
doesnt know but THESE guys know...everything...
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#256235 - 02/14/09 11:48 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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whatever the price is , it has to be under $4K for me to buy...

and that's if they FINISH recording the "missing" chords

i want to have a 100% functioning keyboard, nothing less...

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#256236 - 02/15/09 01:32 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Morten Jonassen:

Some of you guys keep mentioning the 5000$ price as being to high... maybe in the US, in Europe that's not the case, it is actually cheaper than the Tyros3.
[This message has been edited by Morten Jonassen (edited 02-14-2009).]


Hi, are you shure? In germany the price is about 4140 Euro. You may check it here: http://www.musicstore.de/en_EN/GBP/Ketron-AUDYA-/art-KEY0002426-000


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#256237 - 02/15/09 02:58 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Morten Jonassen:
[B]Some of you guys keep mentioning the 5000$ price as being to high... maybe in the US, in Europe that's not the case, it is actually cheaper than the Tyros3.


Well, I live in Europe too, retailer price announced N.Kr.59950,-.
Divided to 6,802 who is the the currency at the moment should give
US$ 8800 !!!
Then they have some offer, N.Kr. 50990,-. Still the amount of
dollars is: US$ 7476 !!!!
Here I can buy both PAX2Pro and T3 for that amount of money.

So you see Sir, the Audya have to be a h*** of a keyboard to
gain big sales at this high price level.

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#256238 - 02/15/09 03:56 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Exchange rates have no bearing on the prices a manufacture sells at in diffrent countrys.

As an example the Uk shop price of the Audya, converted is 4,759.26 USD

As you can see, the actual price will not be known until it ships

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#256239 - 02/15/09 04:22 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Exchange rates have a lot of bearing on the prices a manufacturer
sells in this country as well as other countries around the world.
It's a export/import issue, just like other products.

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#256240 - 02/15/09 05:46 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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I know of no other forum that would allow someone to be called a "troll". I keep coming back to this forum for the technical/practical knowledge that I can apply to making music and making people happy (including myself). Unfortunately you have to wade through all sorts of character assassinations, corporate slander, political posturing. Too bad. Because NO ONE in the US has had the opportunity to actually rigorously demo the Audya the way that Diki or Leezone would there is all sorts of conjecture. Here's for freedom of speech but the tongue (keyboard) is a hard muscle to control.

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#256241 - 02/15/09 06:10 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Nedim, if you are a man, you WILL come back here and apologize when the final Audya release STILL only has maj/min/7th chords. But somehow I doubt it. Anyone with the ignorance to utter what you have here probably doesn't CARE.


There is no reason to apologize at all...
especially for an Open Architecture System...
cuz if the chords are not there in March they
will be in April...dont twist eggs...
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#256242 - 02/15/09 07:23 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Gunnar Jonny:
Exchange rates have a lot of bearing on the prices a manufacturer
sells in this country as well as other countries around the world.
It's a export/import issue, just like other products.

GJ


Wrong choice of words on my part

The exchange rate has little bearing on product prices, as manufactures price their products on what they believe the customers of a particular country will accept.

This is why there is about a $3000 price difference when converting - $ and Kr - $ as your country is more affluent then the UK and so will accept higher prices.

Yes I know its not fair, but thats how manufactures work. (Exceptions are the Euro zone which tends to be more tightly regulated, but even here there can be quite a number of variances)

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#256243 - 02/15/09 07:33 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Nedim stated: "cuz if the chords are not there in March they
will be in April."

is this so AJ/Ketron?
the chords will come at a later time cuz this AUDYA is open architecture?
and is 64MB Ram enough o handle TONES of additional chords? it seems like it wouldn't be able to accomodate so much more loops/wavs

Please clarify/confirm AJ, as we wouldn't want rumors to continue...

can we please have a simple answer to a simple question... ???

what's the future of AUDYA,??
and chances of getting ALL complex chords in Audio?

yes, no, maybe so ??
or do i have to wait till the clinic to ask the question?

honesty greatly appreciated ,
Lee

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#256244 - 02/15/09 07:53 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Why can't Sandos or someone from the R&D team for Ketron Italy post a few answers here on SZ or a blog of their own etc etc ... is AJ a one man team around teh world? ....it would greatly benefit their project Audya & silence all this BS & heresay.......I'm sure they are reading all this every day
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#256245 - 02/15/09 09:02 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Oh I'll bet they ARE NOT reading this every day. It has turned into the usual shouting match and is a monumental waste of time.
I'm through with this thread.
When I get my Audya, I will know its capabilities. What I personally heard and saw last month was enough to make me want one, and I would want one even if it didn't have a single audio loop.
I won't be reading this thread any more.
When Ketron is ready to tell us more they will.
If you can't wait, just buy something else.
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#256246 - 02/15/09 09:35 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nedim:
People, stop blabering, i've been on this forum for 2 months and lost respect for
most of you, its like a bunch of guys having nothing else to do, going around and
criticizing people and companies. Stop deffending yourselfs on the Hype Ketron
give 3 years ago. Wait for a finished Model, then judge, they can give hype 10
year ago but you have no right to judge it then, not before its finished. Stop acting
like a bunch of kids and telling me i am agressive or whatever. We are like a bunch
of old ladies in here worying about each others feelings. Who gives a DAMN about
your feelings, i dont give a flock about anyones feelings if you are wrong. Go hide
your self and cry if i offended you, or cry to the admin and ban me.
MRDave, so now, you really think this is how the AUDYA will sound? That chord
is the worst thing i've heard in my life, and yes, i tried it too and it did the same thing
to me in front of me but you really think i am that stupid to believe that Ketron will
leave it like that on a 5000$ machine? I dont know, only Stupid person can believe
so and again, i dont give a flock about anyones feelings. There was few members
in here that i had respect for but they proved they are just lil kids not knowing
anything...and Lee, you are pushing it too much bro, i expected more from you.


OK BBBB, explain why you got worked up about the 'troll' reference, and didn't get worked up about this...(and several subsequent ones, not to mention calling another member drunk or on drugs on another thread)

Oh, I get it... Ketron supporters can be as rude as they want because... they are Ketron supporters.

The rest of us should just tolerate it because, in YOUR opinion, their 'point' is right?

Your bias betrays you....
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#256247 - 02/15/09 10:11 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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I did but I bit my "keyboard". I have to do that quite a bit on this forum! Actually wading through all the rhetoric is rather tedious. The "troll" comment was the catalyst. Come on Dikki, you are knowledgeable, can definitely play and it's for that I admire you and others on the forum. I have no bias towards anyone including Nedim or any manufacturer. I just prefer to avoid name calling etc. Its easy to sit down at a keyboard relatively anonymously and flame away. I appreciate the fact that we have a WORLDWIDE platform and admire those who post with English as a second or third language and a different culture. They may not understand the "subtle" North American humor or be able to expressive themselves as articulately in their native language. There are also people who are making their living producing music,hardware,software etc. Personal attacks as to their integrity,competence or sincerity would be grounds for legal action if this were done in certain media. I do not know anyone on this board personally but I do know we have a wide cross section of creative and technical expertise which is invaluable when given a chance to express itself. So as Don M. has said I too am done with this particular thread.

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#256248 - 02/15/09 02:56 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Here is the Germany website conversion price from Euros: 4,137.20 EUR = 5,291.32 USD (this is before tax mind you)

The U.K. website of 4,759.26 USD (from Euros) is before tax also. With a CA. tax rate of 7.75% the Audya would cost 5,128.11 after tax in my home State.

PS: The reason I was saying around $5,000 was because the (beta) Audya that was being sold a while back on a U.K. website was around $5,100 or so. If they were selling a beta Audya for that amount I would have to think the fully released version will be comparable in price if not more. And apparently I was in the ballpark huh??..

>> I wanted to respond to "To The Genesis" about my using the word flawed when evaluating the Audya's inner pinings. You are right. I think "flawed" was a misnomer and an overstatement of the fact. I think a better word would be "shortcoming" instead.

Either way though: the Audya, in my opinion, has "limitations" that should be addressed. It is up to each person to decide if those limitations are still worth the high price tag attached to the Audya. Call it an opinion, call it a biased opinion, call it what you want. It is ultimately my own personal opinion based on my own understanding of the Audya (because getting answers from Ketron is like pulling teeth i.e. a very difficult procedure) but is "not" meant to dissuade "others" from buying the Audya.

>> We need to call a spade a spade though don't we? We don't want to walk around like the "Emperor's New Clothes" and hide our heads in the sand against all reason, along with the facts that are starting to stare us in the face. If people are still willing to shell out the dough for an Audya I say MORE POWER TO THEM! Evidently for them the positives outweigh the negatives.

I commend them in their decision if they choose to do so. Because hopefully it will help to keep Ketron afloat through these difficult economic times. Although the people who buy an Audya may face bankruptcy themselves instead. Hopefully not though.

All the best,
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#256249 - 02/15/09 05:39 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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All I can do is hope that Nedim is as personally rude as he posts to any of the people at the rollout in NY. I know for sure what he would get saying his piece to my face! And I don't imagine Donny has any more patience Or, to be honest, ANY customer.

But come here and 'blabber' all you want, Nedim. I am STILL waiting to find out if he has anything to do with Ketron in the first place...
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#256250 - 02/15/09 09:27 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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A limitation is something that any user or non user can say a product has.
I dont have a T3 but I think it has a limitation in that it does not have 76 keys. I can also say it has another limitation in that the sampler takes to long to load files and that you can not load other samples than wave and Yamaha proprietary samples.


Just doing a straight conversion of currencies does not necessarily mean a manufacturer would sell at that price. They may for example employ a strategy of moving lots of volume of a product in a particular territory. They also look at what that market in a particular location would be willing and able to pay with their particular currency.

But despite what I consider to be limitations I do not say it should not be the price it is.


And guess what, Yamaha does not consider them to be limitations.
The T3 works as they intended it to work.


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#256251 - 02/15/09 11:00 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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In order to play extended chords properly, or be able to fluently change chords between bars (upbeat - true for any Ketron Arranger), it's advisable to have the CHORD MODE for all chords (or those which might not sound right when triggered instantly ...) set to NORMAL and not RETRIGGER (as was clearly the case for the AUDIO chord/5 in the above demonstration). When set to RETRIGGER, the chords are played instantly when you change and this can be nice for sounds like STRINGS but horrible for GUITARS .. and especially for the AUDIO parts. When set to NORMAL, the chords are quickly 'analized' and set by the arranger before they are played - usually quantized to the next 16th beat note.
Demos of AUDYA with chord extensions will be uploaded later today demonstrating how AUDYA changes and sounds with extended chord changes (both with ONLY auto accompanyment and with Auto Accompanyment plus a lead Nylon Guitar played to the right of the SPLIT point)... just to give you an example ... .
Accompanying notes/text will explain each video (as has been the case before) so please read the text to understand what was done or what's going on (when time permits).

Thanks,

PS: When watching these videos on Youtube, please click on the "Watch in HIGH Quality" for better video and sound ... it makes a difference (videos were recorded in HD and then down-converted!!

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#256252 - 02/16/09 08:36 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Nedim you said:

"Guys, you are overdoing it, especially Lee"

are you tired of hearing the truth about the AUDYA?

well sorry, but i will continuue to express my opinion WITHOUT disrespecting YOU or any other member.
we all have the right to our opinion, we are NOT forcing you to agree with us.

It's time EVERYONE grows up,
and what's with this "kill yourself" satetement...

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#256253 - 02/16/09 08:43 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
leezone Offline
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AJ,

you still have not answered my SIMPLE question and...

NEDIM, this is why i keep asking...

what's the future of AUDYA,??
and chances of getting ALL complex chords in Audio in future updates?

and is 64MB Ram enough o handle TONS of additional chords?

thanks,
Lee

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#256254 - 02/16/09 09:25 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
"Guys, you are overdoing it, especially Lee"


No, i am not tired of the truth but of you overdoing and trying to catch on senseless things.
An example, saying: Nedim said if the chords are not on March 15 then they will be in April...
Whatt does this mean, does he know anything? AJ can you confirm this and Blah, Blah, Blah.
Thats a pure BS right there...you know exactly what i said and meant but you just like to
twisted anyones words on this forum...you know exactly what i meant, i wont explain.
The TRUTH you are looking for will come when the time is right, you wait till then.
You are nobody Yet for Ketron to be responsible to give you answers, you are just a Potential
buyer, nothing else...when the synth is ready and when they feel like they can get your money
trust me they will answer you anything you want, but then, not NOW!
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#256255 - 02/16/09 09:32 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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AJ, (or anyone thayt knows)
Where will the new Audya demos be? Ketron IT?

Thanks,
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#256256 - 02/16/09 09:53 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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#256257 - 02/16/09 10:06 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Thanx for the demo links first one was nice.......but how do these strums work in conjunction with other styles & rhythms & time signatures seems a bit boring all these sound the same 4/4 strumming. but at least we're getting somewhere with each argument and demo would love to see a good jazz player put audya through its paces chord wise.
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#256258 - 02/16/09 10:17 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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If I have offended anyone (directly or indirectly), I want to take this opportunity to appologize for this.
We can all move on and express our views as individuals but still based on something that is finished
and we've already paid for...if i start creating a sound tomorow and just told you about it you cant tell
me its not good untill i say HERE IS THE FINISHED SOUND, TRY IT OUT. It does not work like that
Every keyboard manufacturer has a market that it targets; if Ketron doesn't fit your needs, try another
manufacturer. BMWs are not built or everyone so those who don't like them might prefer a Lexus or
...and my views are just my views, i dont represent anyone, i represent only my self and opinions but
whats not fair its not fair, even if this is Rolan, Yamaha or Gem i would've probably acted the same,
not cuz its Ketron. And now i would invite you to go to this next Topic:
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum22/HTML/001253.html
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#256259 - 02/16/09 11:49 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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We've just completed some more demos and added here.
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum22/HTML/001253.html

These illustrate some new features and show how the AUDIO and Midi intergration work properly when the RIGHT settings are used (STYLE MODE - CHORD MODE=NORMAL).

Thanks,

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#256260 - 02/16/09 05:28 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
mrdave Offline
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47va-FkaXUA&feature=channel_page

Mmm... yes... complex chords... but... no triads (sus4, dim, aug) played here... THESE are the chords that gets completely replaced by MIDI...



[This message has been edited by mrdave (edited 02-16-2009).]

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#256261 - 02/16/09 05:51 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
spalding Offline
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well Mr Dave the question has been asked indirectly and directly many many times what chords does the real audio NOT PLAY but this question has been skillfully dodged so many times i nolonger need to know....

Those were nice demos by the way AJ but a direct answer would really help Ketrons credibility.

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#256262 - 02/16/09 09:06 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
Dnj Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by mrdave:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47va-FkaXUA&feature=channel_page

Mmm... yes... complex chords... but... no triads (sus4, dim, aug) played here... THESE are the chords that gets completely replaced by MIDI...

[This message has been edited by mrdave (edited 02-16-2009).]



Well lets hope they make another demo video exclusivly showning these chords shall we?
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#256263 - 02/17/09 06:28 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Dnj,

somehow i doubt a video with solo guitar accomp. showing off Dim, Aug, Sus will surface...

hey but that's just my opinion

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#256264 - 02/17/09 07:58 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
Impuls Offline
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Never heard a decent demo of a regular pop song on the Audya,are there no songstyle's fore the Audya ?
I like to hear a complete,balanced recording.

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#256265 - 02/17/09 07:59 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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lee bring your video cam and take some vids for us.....& make sure you give the Audya the Chord recognize torture test.
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#256266 - 02/17/09 09:31 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Impuls:
Never heard a decent demo of a regular pop song on the Audya.....


That's what I miss too, more "ordinary" playing where we can hear the
autocomp used the way most users play a arranger keyboard.
Looks like that's hard to find, wonder why....
GJ
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#256267 - 02/17/09 10:00 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
leezone Offline
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Dnj,

ACRTT ??,

the AUDYA Recognize Chord Torture Test...

nice one

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#256268 - 02/17/09 10:19 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
Jerry T Offline
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And Lee,
Tell them to get Ketron It. cracking on the module version.
Ciao

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#256269 - 02/17/09 10:28 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
Dnj Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
Dnj,

ACRTT ??,

the AUDYA Recognize Chord Torture Test...

nice one


Make us proud Lee
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#256270 - 02/17/09 10:30 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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sorry... ARCTT

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#256271 - 02/17/09 10:32 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
leezone Offline
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ye i too would love an AUDYA module
i have far too many keyboards

i'll ask if i remember

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#256272 - 02/17/09 10:34 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
Dnj Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
ye i too would love an AUDYA module
i have far too many keyboards

i'll ask if i remember


Lee hope YOU get to touch it also
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#256273 - 02/17/09 11:32 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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http://ketronaudya.wordpress.com/

Some demos here, nice ones at the lower end of the page as well.
Each video have more than one song.
GJ
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#256274 - 02/17/09 05:44 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
zuki Offline
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Half tempted to take a drive to Ft Wayne to check it out and meet a few people. It's about the only day I have off

Hurry up and sell one to Mason so I can grab his E50

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#256275 - 02/17/09 10:09 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
leezone Offline
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Nedim,

not to offend you in anyway,

i'm not sure you quite understand what Diki wrote/writes...

he in no way was directing any threats toward you

i think your language barrier with the Enlish language may have something to do with it., and maybe causing most of your unecessary "anger"

i assume English is not your 1st language...??

keep in mind that many of Dikis comments are meant in a sarcastic fashion (evident in the smileys)

everyone has to loosen up a bit
no need to get bent out of shape because of a keyboard,
many other things in this world to get really pissed at...

all the best

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#256276 - 02/18/09 06:16 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
trident Offline
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Please, cut some slack, both sides.

This is an internet forum, where I may be a dog with enough intelligence to post. As far as I can see there are other dogs here who can also play music!

Don't take every word literally.
Not trying to be on any side. Relax a little and things will get better.

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#256277 - 02/18/09 06:24 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Well I guess Ketron is doing somersaults over all this Audya hype eh?
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#256278 - 02/18/09 06:57 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
Well I guess Ketron is doing somersaults over all this Audya hype eh?


Absolutely ...Spin baby !
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#256279 - 02/18/09 07:00 AM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
Dnj Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by DanO1:
Absolutely ...Spin baby !


Let's hope it isn't a downward spin

We'll know much more on Feb 22nd ...
from the hands on reviews at the Brooklyn Audya fiesta.



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#256280 - 02/18/09 01:00 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Hey AJ! Congrats on your playing skills!

The Audya is one intriguing beast for sure. Also with all the style parts playing the audio midi sound discrepancy in the style isn't as bad as I had anticipated especially when comparing them to that isolated demo posted by mrdave.

I think the Audya has a lot of potential plus Ketron can count on at least one U.S. sale in the way of DonM. I need another high-end arranger somewhere down the line too and the Audya could possibly be it. I will need to hear the upcoming reports from other Audya owners before I decide for sure though. $5,000 bucks is a lot of money to throw around, if you know what I mean. Before I throw it around on an Audya I will need to be 100% convinced it's worth its salt, or better yet, its weight in gold. Which may take quite some doing really, although not impossible mind you. Remember the Korg OASYS? - which has been discontinued by the way). Korg wanted $8,000 for the 76 key version, so I suppose $5,000 for the Audya is, theoretically, within reason. Depending again on how cutting edge the sounds and features really are. If the Audya gets high marks from users around the world then Ketron could have a hot ticket item on its hands. Which would be splendid indeed, since I have no qualms with Ketron as a company per se. I just have a few qualms with them from a business and customer/consumer support standpoint. In other words, they don't answer a lot of questions to a satisfactory degree in my opinion. In other words, they pick and choose what to answer and by doing it that way they are (intentionally??) leaving out precious parts of the over all puzzle of what the Audya really is or entails. At least in its entirety anyway. Getting the answers or knowledge after the fact, could prove disheartening for the Audya owner in my opinion. Which could possibly then trickle back to Ketron in the way of dissatisfied customer complaints. Which could then harm Ketron's respectability in the eyes of the music world and keyboardists in particular.

Sorry for directing some of my pent up (but well intentioned ) anger at you regarding the Audya. I know you are not to blame when questions regarding the Audya haven't been answered but Ketron (Italy) is over 6,000 miles away and you just happen to be only 3,000 miles away and you also frequent this forum (unlike Ketron Italy apparently). Anyway, a job well done AJ. Thanks for the demos.

All the best,
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#256281 - 02/22/09 09:48 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Just back from our Workshop at Mr. Sound in New York. We had fun ... lot's of questions, lots of answers, lot's of playing.

For more information:-
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/019008.html

Those that were there and played with it are in a better position to describe what their exprerience with AUDYA was like ...
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#256282 - 02/22/09 10:54 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
miden Offline
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AJ, is it true that nearly 80% of the Audya's bought in Europe have been returned because of bugs, and things not working correctly?

Dennis

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#256283 - 02/22/09 11:23 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
Nedim Offline
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I dont wanna rush and jump in but i havent heard and also i've played the Audya in private
and messed with it, i mean not just on shows but i have actually tried its power, never gave up on me.
And trust me, AJ knows how i am able to crash and freeze even the best comp or synth, nothing
can escape my hands when it comes to stuff like that.

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#256284 - 02/22/09 11:26 PM Re: KETRON AUDYA - what makes it unique and release dates ...
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Okay, thanks Nedim.

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