Look, James, the MS comes with 'content' in it too... trouble is, it's basically BS content. Thinking seems to be 'load it up with cheap sh*t, let the owner put the good stuff in on HIS dime'.

Trouble with this is, as I pointed out. ON THE SHELF, all the prospective buyer gets to hear is the cheap sh*t, all he hears on the factory demos is the cheap sh*t, and so far, the number of actual OWNERS that can make it sound a LOT better (which it needs to, to get even close to a T3) seems to be about zero!

All I'm doing is extrapolating...

As with the MS, there is a chorus of people that cry 'you don't get it' but absolutely NONE of them have anything posted that proves in the slightest that they do, either..

SURE... 'theoretically', all Lionstracs products OUGHT to be the most amazing thing you ever heard. They've been out for YEARS now. I STILL haven't heard a damn thing that demonstrates any OWNER has fully realized this potential (and I've heard a plethora of posts that prove they haven't ).

Doesn't the time come in a product's life when 'potential' has to be actually demonstrated? And doesn't that product have to make it easy for mere mortals to realize this potential..? So here, modified, is my new axiom...

If you aren't ALREADY making jaw-droppingly good music on a computer, with VSTi's and loop players, you aren't going to be able to do it magically on the Groove. You have to ALREADY have the talent and skills to do this on a much cheaper computer setup before spending money for something hardware to do EXACTLY the same thing...

How's that? It's kind of like my 'if you can't make styles as good as the ROM ones on your current arranger, buying an MS isn't magically going to be able to make you do it, either'...

Reality bites, my friends