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#254730 - 01/27/09 12:43 PM
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I'm kinda hesitant about whether the Audya would fit the bill for my needs too. One of the BIG negatives, in my opinion, is the lack of sample RAM expansion for the Sampler. And what sample ram there is apparently can't be used for importing .wav, .aiff, AKAI, or other multi-sample libraries. But with a maximum of only 64MB of RAM as it stands currently the point is really mute anyway. Another thing is the Styles. So apparently only the "new" audio linked Styles are going to sound good? Why couldn't Ketron tweak (re-formulize) the other "non-audio" styles to sound good too? Yamaha and Korg seem to do very well, thank you, with their "midi-linked" styles on the T3 and Pa2XPRO. Much better apparently (from the videos anyway) than Ketron does with their "old" styles on the Audya in my opinion. The biggest question of all is what price tag will the Audya have attached to it when it shows up (if it shows up ) at retail outlets? If it shows up with a $5,000.00 MAP then these other shortfalls on the Audya will be magnified many times over in my opinion. In other words, what big improvement over, let's say a Pa2XPRO, would the Audya bring to the table? Or, for that matter, even over a "61" key Tyros3, other than the addition of a few selected audio styles and a few more keys? The Ketron Audya apparently also does NOT have anything better or even comparable to Yamaha's SA/2 voices (or possibly even the Sweet!, Live! or Cool! voices as well) as far as the sounds go; at least that I could tell from the videos anyway. And most likely neither to Korg's RX or DNC voices either?!?! So possibly $5,000.00 for what again? A few audio styles, 76 keys, and some extra polyphony? You decide. Now if it shows up at a reasonable, respectable price then the Audya could sell pretty well BECAUSE of the extra polyphony, the extra keys, and the audio styles, etc. All the best, Mike
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#254732 - 01/27/09 02:37 PM
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Mike,
i think the ONE BIG thing the AUDYA has over its competition is its LIVE sound
don't know if you've ever played a Ketron X or SD through a good PA, but it sounds..."LIVE", more so than any other arranger, it sounds like a real band.
i own a G-70, and use BOTH at my performances every weekend... and even though the G-70 has better sounds, i find myself using the Ketron more, it has a "punchier", live, in your face sound, it has that "natural" sound
playing the same song on Ketron and Roland, i get more people on the dance floor with Ketron, like i said, it just sounds fuller,
i think this is mainly because of the drums, and styles, and not because of the (right) solo voices,even though Ketron has a few good ones.
i think what the AUDYA will bring to the table is an EVEN MORE "live" sound as it has lots of guitar and bass loops.
i do wish the sounds of the AUDYA were more on par with the Yamahas MOTIF, or Rolands Fantom. i was hoping for LOTS of new sounds, a bank of cutting-edge modern sounds. who knows, maybe it's upgradable, or will be at some point
i think the ULTIMATE arranger would be a combination of the AUDYA and the T3, the styles/loops/drums being from AUDYA, and the solo voices from the T3
from what i've heard, Ketron has some new voices, but MOSTLY has lots of the same "old" tweaked to sound a bit better.
thats my $.02
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#254734 - 01/27/09 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by leezone: Mike,
i think the ONE BIG thing the AUDYA has over its competition is its LIVE sound
don't know if you've ever played a Ketron X or SD through a good PA, but it sounds..."LIVE", more so than any other arranger, it sounds like a real band.
i own a G-70, and use BOTH at my performances every weekend... and even though the G-70 has better sounds, i find myself using the Ketron more, it has a "punchier", live, in your face sound, it has that "natural" sound
playing the same song on Ketron and Roland, i get more people on the dance floor with Ketron, like i said, it just sounds fuller,
i think this is mainly because of the drums, and styles, and not because of the (right) solo voices,even though Ketron has a few good ones.
i think what the AUDYA will bring to the table is an EVEN MORE "live" sound as it has lots of guitar and bass loops.
i do wish the sounds of the AUDYA were more on par with the Yamahas MOTIF, or Rolands Fantom. i was hoping for LOTS of new sounds, a bank of cutting-edge modern sounds. who knows, maybe it's upgradable, or will be at some point
i think the ULTIMATE arranger would be a combination of the AUDYA and the T3, the styles/loops/drums being from AUDYA, and the solo voices from the T3
from what i've heard, Ketron has some new voices, but MOSTLY has lots of the same "old" tweaked to sound a bit better.
thats my $.02 Lee, Also, I have found that the Ketron's styles adapt better to "our" style of music than Roland, Korg and Yamaha. (Malhao, Marcha e fado/fado cancao). Also since we also play a mixture of latin music, I haven't found any keyboard company that can match Ketron's latin section. That's why most of our musician competitors/colleagues use ketron over any other board out on the market. [This message has been edited by mc (edited 01-27-2009).]
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#254740 - 01/27/09 07:34 PM
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Registered: 04/12/07
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Originally posted by Ketron_AJ: leezone,
After watching and listening to the new videos, I see that they were using the USER styles (on HD) which are simply the SD1 and SD5 styles, and not the ROM styles. The AUDYA can play styles directly from H.disk and so they ship with the SD1 & SD5 styles as bonus. However, these bonus styles are an addition to the over 300 AUDIO styles found in AUDYA's ROM (which were not clearly demonstrated in these examples). We should have some more videos up with AUDIO styles soon.
AJ Hello. Just a small correction to AJ. In the new videos we produce in Portugal , we use 99% of the new audio Rom Styles. Only KIZOMBA african styles are old SD1 Style but with small corrections on the AUDIO STYLE MODELING. If you see in my blog , The musician RICARDO ALCAIDE plays 100% Rom Styles , MARCO MARUJO plays 100% Rom Styles JORGE MIGUEL only use the KIZOMBA user Style in the 3rd video , all the rest are Rom Styles. PEDRO TEIXEIRA plays 100% Rom Styles. In the vocal we use the LARGE HALL reverb and in almost all videos , the VOICETRON in the preset DUET UP with low cut equalization. Only the last video of PEDRO TEIXEIRA use the quartet , the Quintet and the fixed interval MALE FEMALE preset in the piano bossa at the end of the video. The audio of the videos on the YOUTUBE are not good quality, i prefer VIMEO quality but they limit to 500MB uploads per week. For now its impossible to produce USER AUDIO STYLE , and i ask AJ , if he wants to answer me , when Ketron thinks to deliver the Software to create the User Audio Styles? We ask every day to Italy for the software with no answer. Only we are working , you must wait.... The Rom Styles are OK to hotel players , but for Portuguese keyboard musicians are not OK , because we need to develop our Tradicional Styles , Brazilian Styles like FORRO , VANEIRÃO , And the African Styles , KIZOMBA , SEMBA , MORNA , KUDURO , ZOUK , COLADERA , FUNANA. And , in my opinion , is not a good politic from Ketron , sell the Keyboards and tell the costumers to wait some weeks for the software to produce the Styles from the zero , Audio or midi styles. Also I Think it`s a Big mistake ketron dont include in the OS of the Keyboard the PATTERn EDIT funtion , some litle corrections on the midi tracks of the style could be easy correct on the pattern edit. The AUDYA is a fantastic keyboard , the sounds and the arranger are fantastic , when we play with the rom style , we think we are playing in a really live band. In Portugal all Keyb. Players are loving the quality of the keyboard. For our traditional music this Latin "flavour" is much better that the Japonese models. No , i`m not telling that Ketron AUDYA is better than Korg or yamaha or Roland models. Is Very diferent , and for Portuguese market will be a better choice. I read here that KETRON dont go to the NAMM 2009 , in my opinion , is a mistake , KETRON is one of the best Keyboard builders , and must be present in all the big events. I Hope they will be present at the Frankfurt Musikmesse 2009... Best Regards from PORTUGAL. Sorry for my bad english FC www.ketronaudya.wordpress.com
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#254743 - 01/28/09 12:11 AM
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Registered: 01/28/05
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leezone,
what's the point in your question? so what if AJ thought the styles were something else? does that make any difference at all?
after all, the point of these demos, and explanation and all is to present a product that might appeal to you as it is , or not. i believe the only bad decision ketron took with audya is to take three years or so to finnaly put it out on the market. I believe would've been better to create a rather explosive presentation, having all the homework done, and the impact would've been bigger.
anyway, i am curious about that software for editing and creating styles... what exactly will it do?
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#254765 - 01/29/09 12:10 PM
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Posts: 35
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Originally posted by ianmcnll: The demonstrators look like they find the style controls rather awkward to use...why did they put them in the centre?
The pitch/mod wheels are quite high up on the panel and seem to be a stretch to access.
They should have kept it to 5 octaves.
Sounds aren't standouts, although the drums are excellent.
Ian
[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 01-29-2009).]Why did they put them in the centre..... Its the best place to put it, you can use left or right hand. The weel, Yamaha KX 88 have made the same, very good. About 76 keybed..Very good,this is a KB for real players,no midifileplayer. About the righthandsound...hard to say,but what I heard soo far it sounds good. I have had all of the top of the lineKB. T2,T3,PA2X G70,I think it is same class as T3 whitch is IMO the best together with T2.PA2X Have a good arranger but the righthandsounds,,, The G70 way after.All IMO //Tryggve
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#254768 - 01/29/09 01:29 PM
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AJ. I am now listening to the official Ketron audio demonstrations of the live guitar stuff. Firstly, the Folk Live Guitar demo. There are but three chords played in the entire demo. A major chord, a minor chord, and a 7th (and the 7th demo is ALL 7ths, so I'm not sure that it isn't simply being triggered by a major chord). Next, the Clean Live... not even a 7th in that one. Just plain major and minor. And the Rock Live Guitar didn't even have a minor chord, let alone a 7th. Is there any chance of you putting up a Live Guitar demo that extends beyond these simplistic basics? Every now and then, I like to stretch out and play the odd diminished. Sometimes even an augmented... On crazy days, I even play a maj7th! And on my birthday, I treat myself to a 7#9, just for old time's sake... Any chance of demoing (soloed, like these others are) what the guitar track sounds like on these chord types? And please, don't get me wrong.. I am STILL not 'bashing' the Audya. It's the only thing since my G70 that has got me at ALL excited about a new arranger. But I DO need to know what it sounds like handling these more complex chords, as I (unlike apparently a few here!) do sometimes use them...
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#254777 - 01/31/09 12:27 AM
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Knowledge comes from investigation... I've already stated I know darn well there'll never be an Audya anywhere NEAR me, so the only way I'm going to find anything out about it will be to ASK... Tom, please don't ASSume I'm going to do, or not do, ANYTHING. You have no idea whether I'm interested in this (which, God knows, I've said enough times that I AM). I simply don't like being fobbed off with platitudes about essential features from the developers themselves. I really am ASTONISHED that the way that the audio loop section actually plays chords, the very thing (and almost ONLY thing) that sets this arranger apart from other arrangers, isn't the PRIMARY focus for inquiry... Let's face it, it is what is generating all the buzz. Drum loops have little in the way of technical problems - they don't need different loops for different chords, it's old (SD-1) technology... But the guitar and bass audio loops are a brand new to regular arrangers feature... Surely how these work, and how well they work should be almost our ENTIRE focus, as this arranger is introduced? Now, AJ has stated that they play any chord, any extension... OK, let's hear it. I simply find it amazing that, if they DO play 'all chords, all extensions', why the guitar demos up at Ketron so relentlessly restrict themselves to such simplistic basics... I just think that, were it me making a demo of this feature, I would have wanted to show it off doing more than the simplest chords it could It would take five minutes to make a demo like the ones on the Ketron site (I can't imagine the ones they have up taking longer than that), and would dispel ALL further comment about the issue... or they can just leave the question hanging. I KNOW I'm not the only one that really wants to know what this section can, and can't do...
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#254782 - 01/31/09 06:52 AM
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by Tom Cavanaugh:
Diki, Ian, and Spalding, Ketron is an international company. You guys are soo wrapped up in yourselves that you think the company should alter their marketing plan just for you guys who will never buy a Ketron. You guys are soooo important.
Well, bud, I think I'm important, certainly and most assuredly the equal of you...and, speaking of being wrapped up...you seem to be wrapped up in defending a company that has, so far, been unable to put up demos that show the audio tracks can play complex chords. It's like saying smoking cures weight problems...eventually. Are customers who can't try this instrument going to learn the hard way that it doesn't meet their needs? Now, before you launch into vitriolic commentary and lose control of key bodily functions, consider this: why is it sooooo hard for the chord demos we requested to be posted? Surely they aren't hiding anything? Ian
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#254784 - 01/31/09 02:38 PM
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Tom, you simply don't get it, do you...? Were this the FIRST time I have asked this question, none of the subtext would have been included. But I'm NOT. I've asked it many times, initially as respectfully as even you might want (mind you, where's the respect from you to me that I'm supposed to show to AJ? ), only to be fobbed off with non-answers and half answers. Given that AJ doesn't want to discuss the feature, I merely thought it might be easier to dispel the mystery with an audio demonstration of it's capability. And it seems like I'm NOT the only one interested. But that's entirely Ketron's choice. But blithely assuming that the potential buyers of the most expensive product they have ever made don't even CARE how well the main feature they are paying for works strikes me as very dubious approach... But no doubt, when YOU buy yours (I guess I have as much right to ASSume what you are going to do, don't I?), perhaps you can oblige with an audio demonstration, seeing as I apparently have to sit up and beg like a dog for a basic feature to be showcased by the manufacturer themselves... Imagine if Yamaha had simply announced SA2, but would NOT put up a demo of it anywhere... no matter how many times asked. Wouldn't YOU get curious as to WHY ?
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#254786 - 01/31/09 04:00 PM
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The only reason I can think of why AJ is very "picky" in what he chooses to answer and what he chooses NOT to answer is because these things we're asking him and he's not answering are certain limitations on the Audya and AJ doesn't want to "expose" these limitations to the public because it brings a "negative" connotation to the Audya's marketing scheme. So he doesn't answer anything about the Audya that might put it in a bad light, etc. Such things as does it have USB 2.0 or 1.1? Apparently it has USB 1.1 because he has not cleared this issue up, even though it's been asked to him many times over the last two years. Although, it is NOT uncommon for other manufacturers like the Big Three to withhold certain information about their keyboards too, when that information might cause a conflict of interest for the company(s) involved. Usually the omissions from the Big Three are few and far between (unlike Ketron ) and they may relent and answer them later on when pressed by the public to do so (unlike Ketron ). Remember the WAV ROM fiasco regarding the Tyros2? At first Yamaha didn't reveal the .wav rom amount, either on their website, or through their employees. Hi Steve! Later Yamaha did reveal the .wav rom amount although sidestepping the true reasoning for withholding the information in the first place. I do have to say though, that if a company is not willing to be completely transparent in their interaction and dealings with the public regarding the products they try to sell to the public (especially when pressed to reveal that information), shows to me that that Company has a disregard and a lack of trust for the very people they are trying to ply their trade to i.e. you and me. Why should we trust them if they are not willing to trust us and oblige us by answering our questions? So yes, there is an amount of "dis" trust with Ketron on my part because they are NOT being totally open and/or completely transparent with me. Or for that matter, neither with consumers world over either. By their continual denial to answer pertinent and well intentioned questions about one of their products gives me much consternation and also much hesitation about a possible purchase of that particular product. Go figure... All the best, Mike
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#254788 - 02/01/09 09:25 AM
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If Ketron's plan is deliberately to obscure the details of this feature, they should be ashamed, and we should be concerned. If it is NOT deliberate, there should be no problem in posting the requested information or demos... There's a complete difference between an audio loop of a guitar pattern and a MIDI part playing it (is your mention of this ignorance or just bloody mindedness?). My reservations (and others) about this feature are public knowledge. I think we deserve an explanation and a demo of it's capabilities before we show ANY interest in purchasing this arranger. Only a fool would consider this without investigating this brand new capability. No shortage of those, here, though! And if Roland were to introduce this feature, and be as grudging to provide information about it in any form (and I knew there was little chance of me being able to try one out), trust me, I would be not one whit less persistent in trying to find out. But I get your point... How DARE we ask questions of the manufacturers? What right as potential customers do we have to want to know how well they work before we pay for the product? We should just ASSume that everything works perfectly, after all, everything that anyone has ever made has always worked perfectly in the past, hasn't it..? I should be ashamed... Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa
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#254794 - 02/01/09 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by to the genesys:
Again, I think Ketron should concentrate on potential buyers and not seek to play the game that pundits want them to play.
But I must emphasize, Ketron MUST step up their marketing an take control of the dialog regarding the Audya and not allow pundits to control the Audya’s selling points. I am considered a potential buyer of the Audya (even more so if they would answer my questions ). If Diki can afford a G70 (not to mention all his other gear) certainly he can afford to purchase an Audya, in my opinion, (even though he may choose ultimately NOT to). One reason I can think of why Diki may NOT choose to indeed purchase the Audya is because Ketron is willingly leaving him (as well as me and the world for that matter) - in the dark regarding certain omissions of information that pertain to the Audya. Apparently Ketron is looking for people that don't ask the "hard" OR obvious questions about their products eh? >> Don't ask questions, just walk in lockstep over the precipice we are leading you over okay? We want your money NOT you to truly understand the product we are trying to peddle to you. >> Go away son you're bothering me. So says Ketron by their actions - or lack thereof, in my opinion. Definition of a Pundit: 1. A source of opinion; a critic. 2. A learned person. Objective opinions or legitimate criticism should be encouraged instead of squelched in my opinion. When a company is in error (by popular concensus by the way) then that company should be called on the carpet for it in my humble opinion. When information is brought to "light" it dispels the darkness that once was in its place. Would you rather be kept in the dark? That's fine, but don't blame the ones that are asking for transparency and for "light" in the hopes of dispelling that darkness. Especially when the product in question costs upwards of five grand. If you're going to choose sides wouldn't you like to be on the side of = openness, integrity, transparency, and being forthright with the public vs. the opposite of that corporate ideal? I'm just saying... All the best, Mike [This message has been edited by keybplayer (edited 02-01-2009).]
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#254802 - 02/02/09 05:13 AM
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Originally posted by Diki: In fact, Ian, it's not just MIDI for the extensions. It's MIDI ONLY for several important chord types (dim's aug's sus4's etc.) so the track could be constantly switching in and out depending on whether you use those chords or not. It sure is disappointing, and as I said earlier, the MIDI guitar parts had better come pretty close to the quality of the audio parts. Plus, we're not talking about an arranger with "Mega-voice" technology, or even close to it, so there will probably be some discrepancy. I guess the real proof will be to hear demos that will showcase chords that are more complex than the very basic ones. Seems to be similar to producing a car that goes like stink in a straight line, but can't handle the curves too well. A Ferrari engine in a Fiat Strada.
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#254807 - 02/02/09 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by leezone: when i think speakers on a keyboard, i think CASIO,
sorry , to me a pro keyboard should NEVER have 30-watt speakers,
Lee, my friend, my Yamaha CP-300 Stage Piano has speakers...wouldn't you say that it is a pro instrument? The Roland RD700 Stage Piano does not have speakers. Would the Korg PA-588 be considered "pro"? Some companies like to put them in, some don't...I don't think it makes one instrument "pro" and one not. I like the convenience of speakers, and wouldn't buy a keyboard without them...at least not willingly. We all have our preferences. Ian
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#254814 - 02/02/09 01:22 PM
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That's the point, lee. There isn't a single keyboard out there with sufficient CLEAN power output and SPL to keep up with a live drummer (with NO monitor!), let alone a whole band. If you are performing at a club level or higher, you can't use the speakers (and probably shut them off for fear of blowing them). But there are a LOT of players here that play low level cocktail gigs, NH gigs, tiny senior citizen parties where playing at club level would get you fired! However, most of these STILL use a PA... To be honest, I have yet to hear a portable arranger with a sound system good enough to sound clean on simply the piano patch at the same volume a REAL piano can do. Add to that that even a POS home theater system completely blows the arranger's speakers away for fullness of range and volume, and costs little, I have to start to question exactly what the purpose of the speakers are at all... And all I can come up with is the 'home' user who is too cheap or too ignorant of what his arranger can REALLY sound like to buy a decent monitoring rig. The kids don't want to haul around a Logitech system from bedroom to bedroom, and it complicates putting it away in the closet (where it remains from week to week) But other than a practice tool for a 'pro' user, when quality doesn't matter, I really don't see the point in them. I've seen Mike McDonald on his Yamaha, in fact, I watched him and Christopher Cross personally hump the damn thing back to his car (it was a small local songwriters event - mind you it just goes to show, no matter how big you get, NO-ONE wants to move your piano at the end of the day ), but I know for a fact those speakers weren't on during the show... For me, the extra weight of speakers, as poor a quality as they are, is not a sufficient incentive to restrict my choices to ONLY speakered models. I'd rather use a decent set of cans if I HAVE to work on it while it's not hooked up. At least there, I am getting high quality sound...
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#254815 - 02/02/09 01:27 PM
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by Diki: I've seen Mike McDonald on his Yamaha, in fact, I watched him and Christopher Cross personally hump the damn thing back to his car (it was a small local songwriters event - mind you it just goes to show, no matter how big you get, NO-ONE wants to move your piano at the end of the day ), but I know for a fact those speakers weren't on during the show...
But...it had speakers, nevertheless... And...Mike is a pro. Thank you. [This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 02-02-2009).]
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#254824 - 02/02/09 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by leezone: whether i play 1, 2, 3, 4, times a week, i make it a point to look and sound as pro as possible,
most of my gigs are on weekends, part time gigging musician
also, i bet those pros using the speakered keyboards have the internal speakers turned off... 1st I rest my case on the part time gigs 2nd my KB speakers are on always as is many top pros like Uncle Dave, etc, etc .. PLEASE DONT ASSUME.
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#254827 - 02/02/09 06:18 PM
Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Registered: 10/27/03
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Originally posted by Diki: That's the point, lee.
If you are performing at a club level or higher, you can't use the speakers (and probably shut them off for fear of blowing them).
A band that I was in several years ago where I used my PSR 2000 the onboard speakers helped me monitor my own sound. My Mains were hooked up to the house system, which included floor monitors for the whole band, but the extra monitoring of the onboard speakers of the PSR 2000 helped. I was back in a semi secluded area of the stage where the onboard speakers complimented the floor monitors and made it easier for me to stay in the groove. As we all know the PSR 2000 was very light even with the inbuilt speakers. 30 Watts for speakers would have been welcomed though since the PSR 2000's speakers were only 12 Watts x2. Seems that Yamaha still has never broken that 12 Watt barrier for their arranger line unfortunately. OTOH, Korg, Roland, Ketron, and of course the now defunct Technics keyboard division have done so with some of their arrangers e.g. E80, PAX1, etc. All the best, Mike
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#254828 - 02/02/09 06:48 PM
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Loc: Benton, LA, USA
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I have yet to have any "pros" criticize my equipment. I HAVE had weekend warriors and people who consider themselves pros criticize it. They are usually in my audience wishing they could get my job. I've had lots of stars and big-name pros hear me. Without fail, they have been complimentary and often inquisitive. They don't look down on arrangers, because they have no clue what they are in the first place. It's for certain they don't give a rat's a** whether they have speakers. They have important things to worry about. Personally I sort of like having speakers, but it's not important enough to affect a buying decision. I usually turn them off during a job, but I have played small jobs with just the keyboard speakers. VERY small jobs! I had one last year that I played every Sunday for several months. I first took the Bose. They said it sounded great but there was no place for diners who didn't want to hear music to get away from it. Then I tried Logitech Z2200. They said it was too loud, even though I could barely hear it. One Sunday I just took in the S900 and played through the onboard speakers. They loved it. Volume was perfect. Go figure. Sure enough, I left it playing and walked around the room. You could hear very well, about the volume of an acoustic piano. BTW, setup time was about 120 seconds. You use whatever gets the job done. In any case these non-pro instruments have kept me from having to get a real job for a LONG time. HankB and I had a good friend who was a full-time entertainer also. He would play a set, then do yo-yo tricks for 30 minutes. It wasn't a pro yo-yo, but the guy using it was. I think that may be the difference. DonM
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#254830 - 02/03/09 02:00 AM
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You can't have it both ways, Ian. Either 'home' arrangers have speakers, in which case my G70 must be 'pro', or ALL arrangers are 'home' keyboards, in which case they don't HAVE to have speakers... Which is it? In fact, if you think about it, if merely using a keyboard at home makes it a 'home' keyboard, then ALL keyboards are 'home' keyboards. Because I don't know of a single one that isn't in the hands of at least a FEW 'home' players... Including Oasys's, Kurzweil's, Nord's, M3's, MoXS's, FantomG's, you name it. None of which have speakers. Only the 'chip on their shoulder' arranger player (always on the alert for the next slight) gives a toss about a keyboard's designation, or even tries to hand one out. A 'pro' keyboard is any keyboard in the hands of a pro. And a 'home' keyboard is any keyboard used at home. Kind of makes the point moot, don't it?
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#254831 - 02/03/09 02:33 AM
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by Diki: In fact, if you think about it, if merely using a keyboard at home makes it a 'home' keyboard, then ALL keyboards are 'home' keyboards. Conversely, merely using a "home" keyboard on stage, or to make money, does not make it a "pro" instrument. It just defines the player's position. Ian [This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 02-03-2009).]
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#254839 - 02/03/09 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by Diki: Hey Ian... how come you can't do what the rest of us do? Simply LISTEN to a track to hear what the chords are, and how it's played? : No Diki...I'd rather have the MIDI file...if Donny was playing something other than a Yamaha, I would be more than happy with an MP3, but since I have the chance to see the music as well as hear it, I may as well ask for the former. Plus, I would really like to hear him play an instrumental...he's told me that he does them as well...I already know what a great singer he is. I certainly don't think I'm goading him on...you might do something like that, but I'm just asking politely. Ian [This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 02-03-2009).]
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#254852 - 02/17/09 03:36 PM
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Originally posted by Dnj: Nice demo...but what is shown so far hasn't trumped any of the top of the line arrangers out there already.. Here is my question...
What will Audya bring to the table that will make me go WOW!!!... versus a T2,T3,S900, Pa800,G70,Pax2, SD1+, and go in my pocket and spend whatever for it........?
[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 02-17-2009).] Donny, How about getting to leave at home, or sell, your vocal harmonizer, laptop, MP3/Wave player, Recorder, mixer (for extra mic, or for recording - Audya has up to 8 separate assignable outputs)? How about not having to listen to crappy drum sounds and boring bass lines? How about great-feeling keys? How about 76 notes? I could go on and on. Maybe it's not for you, but these tools are invaluable for me. DonM
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