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#254703 - 01/26/09 01:24 PM Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
leezone Offline
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check it out guys... more vids
not sure if all rhythms are internal, or if some are imported from other Ketron synths...

thanks to the crew in Portugal for taking the time...
http://ketronaudya.wordpress.com/

um abraco para a malta de Portugal,
comecem a fazer esses ritmos fabulosos portugueses para o AUDYA

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#254704 - 01/26/09 02:29 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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And you think listening to this that its worth $5000.00? I havnt heard anything mind blowing so far.

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#254705 - 01/26/09 02:34 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Careful, Donny...

There appear to be several here that don't want to hear ANYTHING negative about the Audya!

You wouldn't want to end up like me, now, would you?

How long did you get to actually PLAY it at Shreveport?
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#254706 - 01/26/09 02:47 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Originally posted by Diki:
Careful, Donny...

There appear to be several here that don't want to hear ANYTHING negative about the Audya!

You wouldn't want to end up like me, now, would you?

How long did you get to actually PLAY it at Shreveport?


I really dont give a crap what anyone thinks....& at the jam we only were able to listen to the demonstration....no one but AJ actually played the Audya...great live sound but nothing mind blowingly NEW that made me say WOW!! compared to what we already have out there like the T2/T3 . AJ did a fine job as usual with the demo which I appreciate but I'm still waiting to hear more feature wise from the Audya...time will tell....It sought of sounded like my old SD1+ with many more features like Riffs, Audio play, & great style parts,.....the sliders and display are nice. Keybed is solid. I have no idea about the OS workings.



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#254707 - 01/26/09 04:22 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Drums sound great,but much to loud in every recording,piano also very nice.
But no guitars in Yamaha quality.
wil not change my T3 for it.

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#254708 - 01/26/09 04:57 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Well putting the price aside for now, since I still don't know what it will actually cost. The demos sound good. I do hear some of the SD1 and the SD5 in the Auyda, but it would only be natural since they were all produced by the same company. The one guitar that I heard in the Bolero does sound different (better) than the X1 and SD1, it more like the SD5 guitars which were a big improvement than the older model ketrons. Until I get my hands on one, I can only go by what I hear and compare it to the all of the Ketrons that I've owned, which I can say that every model has been an improvement from the last. I'm hoping that it will be around 3500-4000 and I'll pick one up.
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#254709 - 01/26/09 05:01 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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The drums are the best part of this instrument...the rest is nothing that can't be done with PA2XPro, Tyros or even the hoary old G70.

I think the biggest concern will be how stable the company will be in the future.

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#254710 - 01/26/09 05:09 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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its really difficult to see at least from these demos what additional value there is to spend so much money for? I cant help but say that much of the demo i have heard before on pretty much every top line arranger there is. Apart from the Real audio drums which is noticeable even from a youtube clip, what else is there that makes the Audya stand out ....

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#254711 - 01/27/09 12:58 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Yes, drums are really impressive, if you hear it throught a good PA system this thing stands out! But for right hand sounds.... well.... this is a different story....

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#254712 - 01/27/09 02:35 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by mrdave:
Yes, drums are really impressive, if you hear it throught a good PA system this thing stands out! But for right hand sounds.... well.... this is a different story....


Simple solution: Get an Audya with a Motif rack.

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#254713 - 01/27/09 04:07 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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I guess every new arranger is going to get comments like what we have here.
It is not different from when the T3 came out and persons were say what can you do with a T3 that you can not do with the PA2x pro? Most people believed that the T3 did not surpass the PA2x pro.

What a lot of people forget is with all of the TOTL arrangers, it is the integration of features and the types of features that are major selling points and not just the sounds and styles.
If you just want sounds and styles then just use VSTs and a software arranger.
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#254714 - 01/27/09 06:42 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Most people believed that the T3 did not surpass the PA2x pro.[/B]


And it never will but thats just my opinion.
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#254715 - 01/27/09 07:07 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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nedim I sure you have something to substanciate that claim? I'd love to hear it.

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#254716 - 01/27/09 08:05 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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leezone,

After watching and listening to the new videos, I see that they were using the USER styles (on HD) which are simply the SD1 and SD5 styles, and not the ROM styles. The AUDYA can play styles directly from H.disk and so they ship with the SD1 & SD5 styles as bonus. However, these bonus styles are an addition to the over 300 AUDIO styles found in AUDYA's ROM (which were not clearly demonstrated in these examples). We should have some more videos up with AUDIO styles soon.

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#254717 - 01/27/09 08:32 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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AJ thank you for the explanation....who wants to hear old styles form previous models? I thought they sounded familiar.
I think you Ketron guys have to really show this Audya & ALL its features off in a big way if you want to expect thriving sales..& I mean in a BIG WAY ASAP before it loses its edge. Aj how many people are Demoing the Audya around the world besides you?

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#254718 - 01/27/09 08:45 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
Aj how many people are Demoing the Audya around the world besides you?


Let's see... One Audya for AJ and one in Portugal. So that's two Audya's as we speak (maybe one or two more at Ketron Italy Headquarters in Ancona) . AJ won't let anybody play his Audya so I guess we can nix his, right? So it looks like worldwide there is a total of "one" Audya being demoed in Portugal by people who don't seem to be Ketron employees. Although we don't know that for certain do we...

All the best, Mike
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#254719 - 01/27/09 08:49 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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AJ

so you saying ALL styles they played are not the NEW AUDYA styles?

that's weird... why would all 4 guys in video play "old" styles ???

do they not kow where the "new" AUDYA ROM styles are???

may be worth emailing them in Portugal and asking,

something not right there...

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#254720 - 01/27/09 08:54 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Could they be the same styles from the SD1+/Sd5 tweaked for the Audya with some new edited intros/endings....I remember AJ telling us at the jam they shortened many of them on the Audya? Things are unraveling here little by little.

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#254721 - 01/27/09 09:13 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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i wanna hear the new stuff,

AJ, get them videos up soon, thanks

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#254722 - 01/27/09 09:14 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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leezone,

Not all; some (like 75%). The initial videos however did use the new styles predominantly.

Dnj,
What I said was when we developed the new styles for AUDYA (AUDIO and non AUDIO based), we shortened the Intro/Ending 2 and 3 (unlike what we would usually have done) since many had complained our Intro/Ending 2 and 3 were too long and melodic from our previous keyboards. The length of Intro and Endings from USER styles brought over from the SD-series were not changed - the styles were just tweeked to incorporate the new voices and arranger features from AUDYA.

As for the features you request we show, I believe I did cover 75% of them at the Shrevport jam (not sure which ones I left out, but we'll see when the video is out - remember, I had very little time too and this event was structured for a JAM session and not a Workshop/Clinic ~ from which we simply 'borrowed' time to show the AUDYA)? In the forthcoming ARRANGER FIESTAS, I plan on getting deeper into these features once more.

Hope it's clearer now.

AJ

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#254723 - 01/27/09 09:23 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Aj thanx for the clarification...your the only one we can turn to for AUDYA info at this time....I agree we needed much more time at the Shreveport Jam (like 2 weeks ) but we did get a taste of the Audya. What's happening is that the Curiosity & eagerness to hear, touch & feel is climbing to a fever pitch.....the Audya not being shown at NAMM was a monkey wrench thrown into peoples dreams coupled with the lack of info & answers by perspective buyers to things like price, etc, etc, but I would say something has to come to market soon or people will lose interest & other manufacturers will pass it by.Dont you see that?

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#254724 - 01/27/09 10:21 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Here is an example of how a revolutionary new keyboard should be demonstrated. This may have something to do with Ketron's absense at NAMM 2009.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRDALiP_z4c
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JWh6uEV68Wk
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kGsXA9K2f6w


I've been waiting and waiting for the Audya and I'm losing interest very quickly. Especially when I see demos of old styles and technology. Still no price yet?

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#254725 - 01/27/09 10:34 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Hi all,
Just a question, the page that contains the video is in flash. I have managed to listen to it, there are only one video on that site, right?
I am asking this because I am blind and just want ot be sure that I haven't missed anything.

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#254726 - 01/27/09 10:56 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Simple answer, salsaman... 76

While Yamaha continue to ignore the legitimate needs of players that prefer a 76, the Audya is the only new thing for quite a while (since the PA2X) that caters to those who like to play a full (full-ish!) piano part on the whole keyboard.

Add to that what sounds like a VERY good primary piano voice, and while there may be other issues, not the least of which seems to be this 'teaser' promotion long before the Audya is even ready for anyone other than it's trained demonstrators to play (kind of telling that no-one was allowed to touch it at the Jam), this thing offers a breath of fresh air for the 76 player/pianist.

Mind you, after being teased for over three years, it IS a bit hard to call this 'fresh'!
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#254727 - 01/27/09 12:00 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Being the Audya at the Shreveport Jam was the only UNIT here in the USA I could understand the No Touch policy for now.

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#254728 - 01/27/09 12:03 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by salsaman:
Here is an example of how a revolutionary new keyboard should be demonstrated.


Eh? What's "revolutionary" about the Tyros 3? If ever a keyboard was just more of the same, it's that one.

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#254729 - 01/27/09 12:14 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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If it is THAT fragile, Donny, I wouldn't want to gig one... Would you?
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#254730 - 01/27/09 12:43 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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I'm kinda hesitant about whether the Audya would fit the bill for my needs too. One of the BIG negatives, in my opinion, is the lack of sample RAM expansion for the Sampler. And what sample ram there is apparently can't be used for importing .wav, .aiff, AKAI, or other multi-sample libraries. But with a maximum of only 64MB of RAM as it stands currently the point is really mute anyway.

Another thing is the Styles. So apparently only the "new" audio linked Styles are going to sound good? Why couldn't Ketron tweak (re-formulize) the other "non-audio" styles to sound good too? Yamaha and Korg seem to do very well, thank you, with their "midi-linked" styles on the T3 and Pa2XPRO. Much better apparently (from the videos anyway) than Ketron does with their "old" styles on the Audya in my opinion.

The biggest question of all is what price tag will the Audya have attached to it when it shows up (if it shows up ) at retail outlets? If it shows up with a $5,000.00 MAP then these other shortfalls on the Audya will be magnified many times over in my opinion. In other words, what big improvement over, let's say a Pa2XPRO, would the Audya bring to the table? Or, for that matter, even over a "61" key Tyros3, other than the addition of a few selected audio styles and a few more keys? The Ketron Audya apparently also does NOT have anything better or even comparable to Yamaha's SA/2 voices (or possibly even the Sweet!, Live! or Cool! voices as well) as far as the sounds go; at least that I could tell from the videos anyway. And most likely neither to Korg's RX or DNC voices either?!?!

So possibly $5,000.00 for what again? A few audio styles, 76 keys, and some extra polyphony? You decide.

Now if it shows up at a reasonable, respectable price then the Audya could sell pretty well BECAUSE of the extra polyphony, the extra keys, and the audio styles, etc.

All the best, Mike
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#254731 - 01/27/09 12:49 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Originally posted by Diki:
If it is THAT fragile, Donny, I wouldn't want to gig one... Would you?

Diki I dont think its a fragile unit in fact it looks very quality built...I was able to put my finger under the keys to give it the "FRAN" test & the keys are solid.....but I think its more of a why take a chance with only one UNIT in the country more then anything else. It sounds very live but not much different then the SD1+ I had or SD5 riffs of what I heard....I hope theres more lurking inside to blow us away.

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#254732 - 01/27/09 02:37 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Mike,

i think the ONE BIG thing the AUDYA has over its competition is its LIVE sound

don't know if you've ever played a Ketron X or SD through a good PA, but it sounds..."LIVE", more so than any other arranger, it sounds like a real band.

i own a G-70, and use BOTH at my performances every weekend...
and even though the G-70 has better sounds, i find myself using the Ketron more,
it has a "punchier", live, in your face sound, it has that "natural" sound

playing the same song on Ketron and Roland, i get more people on the dance floor with Ketron,
like i said, it just sounds fuller,

i think this is mainly because of the drums, and styles, and not because of the (right) solo voices,even though Ketron has a few good ones.

i think what the AUDYA will bring to the table is an EVEN MORE "live" sound as it has lots of guitar and bass loops.

i do wish the sounds of the AUDYA were more on par with the Yamahas MOTIF, or Rolands Fantom.
i was hoping for LOTS of new sounds, a bank of cutting-edge modern sounds.
who knows, maybe it's upgradable, or will be at some point

i think the ULTIMATE arranger would be a combination of the AUDYA and the T3, the styles/loops/drums being from AUDYA, and the solo voices from the T3

from what i've heard, Ketron has some new voices, but MOSTLY has lots of the same "old" tweaked to sound a bit better.

thats my $.02

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#254733 - 01/27/09 03:49 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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If only they had offered more than the paltry 64MB of sample RAM and computer-like speeds to load it up, this wouldn't be an issue. 512MB, or even a GB (like Yamaha do) and high speed loading (which Yamaha DON'T) and Akai import (which Yamaha ALSO ignore) would go a long way towards making any soundset shortcomings moot...
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#254734 - 01/27/09 04:57 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
Mike,

i think the ONE BIG thing the AUDYA has over its competition is its LIVE sound

don't know if you've ever played a Ketron X or SD through a good PA, but it sounds..."LIVE", more so than any other arranger, it sounds like a real band.

i own a G-70, and use BOTH at my performances every weekend...
and even though the G-70 has better sounds, i find myself using the Ketron more,
it has a "punchier", live, in your face sound, it has that "natural" sound

playing the same song on Ketron and Roland, i get more people on the dance floor with Ketron,
like i said, it just sounds fuller,

i think this is mainly because of the drums, and styles, and not because of the (right) solo voices,even though Ketron has a few good ones.

i think what the AUDYA will bring to the table is an EVEN MORE "live" sound as it has lots of guitar and bass loops.

i do wish the sounds of the AUDYA were more on par with the Yamahas MOTIF, or Rolands Fantom.
i was hoping for LOTS of new sounds, a bank of cutting-edge modern sounds.
who knows, maybe it's upgradable, or will be at some point

i think the ULTIMATE arranger would be a combination of the AUDYA and the T3, the styles/loops/drums being from AUDYA, and the solo voices from the T3

from what i've heard, Ketron has some new voices, but MOSTLY has lots of the same "old" tweaked to sound a bit better.

thats my $.02


Lee,
Also, I have found that the Ketron's styles adapt better to "our" style of music than Roland, Korg and Yamaha. (Malhao, Marcha e fado/fado cancao). Also since we also play a mixture of latin music, I haven't found any keyboard company that can match Ketron's latin section. That's why most of our musician competitors/colleagues use ketron over any other board out on the market.

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#254735 - 01/27/09 05:04 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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What do the latin music experts think of the styles in the GW-8L?

I know it's a much less expensive product than the Ketron's, but how are the styles for authenticity?
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#254736 - 01/27/09 05:10 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
What do the latin music experts think of the styles in the GW-8L?

I know it's a much less expensive product than the Ketron's, but how are the styles for authenticity?


Don't know yet, I haven't found a store that carries it, I'm hoping that Mr.Sound has one when I go check out the Audya. I really want to try it, but Samash or GC doesn't have it, only special orders.
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#254737 - 01/27/09 05:48 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Better not be drunk or on drugs when you call them up to see if they have one in stock!
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#254738 - 01/27/09 05:51 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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I know this doesn't help but I will have one on display when it is released, and you will be able to play it side by side with a T3, and a PA2xpro

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#254739 - 01/27/09 06:53 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by keybplayer:
Let's see... One Audya for AJ and one in Portugal. So that's two Audya's as we speak (maybe one or two more at Ketron Italy Headquarters in Ancona) . AJ won't let anybody play his Audya so I guess we can nix his, right? So it looks like worldwide there is a total of "one" Audya being demoed in Portugal by people who don't seem to be Ketron employees. Although we don't know that for certain do we...

All the best, Mike



There is no conspiracy theory in portugal about the Audya. The as per the website the FCMUSICA is a store that received a audya in late December and demoed it to customers and it also states that they started selling them as of 1/15/09 to customers that were waiting for them, I can only assume that they were waiting for additional units from 12/20 through 1/15.

The also say that some of the videos are the Sd1 styles that they demoed.

From what I can tell the Audya has now been released in europe, I guess the states will get theirs soon enough.
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#254740 - 01/27/09 07:34 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Originally posted by Ketron_AJ:
leezone,

After watching and listening to the new videos, I see that they were using the USER styles (on HD) which are simply the SD1 and SD5 styles, and not the ROM styles. The AUDYA can play styles directly from H.disk and so they ship with the SD1 & SD5 styles as bonus. However, these bonus styles are an addition to the over 300 AUDIO styles found in AUDYA's ROM (which were not clearly demonstrated in these examples). We should have some more videos up with AUDIO styles soon.

AJ


Hello.

Just a small correction to AJ.

In the new videos we produce in Portugal , we use 99% of the new audio Rom Styles.

Only KIZOMBA african styles are old SD1 Style but with small corrections on the AUDIO STYLE MODELING.

If you see in my blog , The musician RICARDO ALCAIDE plays 100% Rom Styles ,
MARCO MARUJO plays 100% Rom Styles
JORGE MIGUEL only use the KIZOMBA user Style in the 3rd video , all the rest are Rom Styles.
PEDRO TEIXEIRA plays 100% Rom Styles.

In the vocal we use the LARGE HALL reverb and in almost all videos , the VOICETRON in the preset DUET UP with low cut equalization.
Only the last video of PEDRO TEIXEIRA use the quartet , the Quintet and the fixed interval MALE FEMALE preset in the piano bossa at the end of the video.

The audio of the videos on the YOUTUBE are not good quality, i prefer VIMEO quality but they limit to 500MB uploads per week.

For now its impossible to produce USER AUDIO STYLE , and i ask AJ , if he wants to answer me , when Ketron thinks to deliver the Software to create the User Audio Styles?

We ask every day to Italy for the software with no answer. Only we are working , you must wait....

The Rom Styles are OK to hotel players , but for Portuguese keyboard musicians are not OK , because we need to develop our Tradicional Styles , Brazilian Styles like FORRO , VANEIRÃO , And the African Styles , KIZOMBA , SEMBA , MORNA , KUDURO , ZOUK , COLADERA , FUNANA.

And , in my opinion , is not a good politic from Ketron , sell the Keyboards and tell the costumers to wait some weeks for the software to produce the Styles from the zero , Audio or midi styles.

Also I Think it`s a Big mistake ketron dont include in the OS of the Keyboard the PATTERn EDIT funtion , some litle corrections on the midi tracks of the style could be easy correct on the pattern edit.

The AUDYA is a fantastic keyboard , the sounds and the arranger are fantastic , when we play with the rom style , we think we are playing in a really live band.
In Portugal all Keyb. Players are loving the quality of the keyboard.

For our traditional music this Latin "flavour" is much better that the Japonese models.
No , i`m not telling that Ketron AUDYA is better than Korg or yamaha or Roland models.
Is Very diferent , and for Portuguese market will be a better choice.

I read here that KETRON dont go to the NAMM 2009 , in my opinion , is a mistake , KETRON is one of the best Keyboard builders , and must be present in all the big events.
I Hope they will be present at the Frankfurt Musikmesse 2009...

Best Regards from PORTUGAL.
Sorry for my bad english

FC www.ketronaudya.wordpress.com

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#254741 - 01/27/09 08:23 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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fc_xander

Thanks for the correction. I believe Youtube doesn't do justice to most high-end Arranger keyboards.

The software for editing/creating Patterns will become available soon. Remember too that since the machine has an Open Architecture Operating System, updates to include other features are just around the corner.

We are also working on many of the Latin/African styles people have been asking for especially the Zouk (send me an email to axa130@hotmail.com with the subject 'AFRICAN STYLES' and I will send you a taste of what is to come".

So much work, so little time ... but we'll get there sooner than later.

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#254742 - 01/27/09 10:32 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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no disrespect AJ but,

someone mentioned here that you would/should know the AUDYA inside and out, more than most people...

you stated that most of those styles were NOT the new ROM AUDYA styles, but rather, the "old" converted SD styles

my question is:
how can you NOT tell that 99% of the rhythms/styles in all those "Portugal" videos were actually the ROM styles and NOT the SD styles as you mentioned?

and sorry, bad sound "you-tubish" quality should not be an excuse for not recognizing the styles which reside in the AUDYA, the keyboard which you've been playing/developing/demoing for quite some time now...???

still looking forward to hearing the AUDYA in NY...

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#254743 - 01/28/09 12:11 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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leezone,

what's the point in your question? so what if AJ thought the styles were something else? does that make any difference at all?

after all, the point of these demos, and explanation and all is to present a product that might appeal to you as it is , or not. i believe the only bad decision ketron took with audya is to take three years or so to finnaly put it out on the market. I believe would've been better to create a rather explosive presentation, having all the homework done, and the impact would've been bigger.

anyway, i am curious about that software for editing and creating styles... what exactly will it do?
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#254744 - 01/28/09 12:53 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Hi,
me too. Are they actually creating software to create midi styles or only for the audio loops?
If so, why haven't they created style software for the SD1+.
Don't know if I read the post correctly, but it sounds like the Audya doesn't have some sort of note editing for the onboard styles either??

best wishes
Rikki


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Originally posted by adimatis:



anyway, i am curious about that software for editing and creating styles... what exactly will it do?




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#254745 - 01/28/09 09:11 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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to fc_xander:

Would it be possible for you provide a short video demo of some Malhao and Vira user syles.

obrigado
Mario
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#254746 - 01/28/09 09:21 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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fc

yes that would be great, a short video, with JUST those portuguese, african styles,

obrigado amigos,
gostaria estar ai em Portugal para realmente poder espermentar o AUDYA

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#254747 - 01/28/09 09:38 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by salsaman:
Here is an example of how a revolutionary new keyboard should be demonstrated. This may have something to do with Ketron's absense at NAMM 2009.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRDALiP_z4c
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JWh6uEV68Wk
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kGsXA9K2f6w
-Crybaby


Audya's equivalent:
http://www.nme.com/video/id/EPaKJrOfRdo/search/audya
http://www.fireangel.biz/v-KETRON+Audya+Full+Demo+Musikmesse+2008+Part1-495i9Y876Zg
http://www.findinternettv.com/Video,item,1805542408.aspx

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#254748 - 01/28/09 10:51 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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I think what might be going on here is... has anyone asked what percentage of the Audya's ROM styles are based on existing SD-1 styles?

If you are recognizing old SD-1 styles (even if tweaked up a bit), but they are claiming they ARE playing ROM styles, inference is that the ROM contains older styles.... Not that there's anything wrong with this... T3's ROM styles contain a LOT of T2's styles as well, I believe. As do most.

But what percentage, or number, if you like, of Audya styles are 100% BRAND NEW..?

AJ?
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#254749 - 01/28/09 11:09 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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interesting Diki,

THAT is the question, but

WHAT is the answer ?? :-)

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#254750 - 01/28/09 12:12 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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If you had bothered to do a simple search you would find that AJ has already answered this question in another thread.

Quote:
Originally posted by Ketron_AJ:
About 95% brand new styles!!

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#254751 - 01/28/09 12:22 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
leezone Offline
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Morten,

if 95% new styles, then how was it it that these "portugal" videos were "supposedly" 75% showcasing the old SD styles?

something doesn't compute here does it?

DIKI is asking how many are totally BRAND NEW for AUDYA...
not new in a sense of taking existing SD styles, modifying, a bit, and calling them "new"

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#254752 - 01/28/09 12:33 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Henni,
I was once told (actually many times) DO NOT LISTEN to the demonstrator...listen to the instrument. That was back when I was buying $12,000 Yamaha HS series organs.
Still applies today...you don't get to take home the demo guy/gal, only the instrument.

Better yet, play it yourself!
Soon we will al get to play Audya, then we decide how it is.

But, I agree the Yamaha demo folks are top notch.

Lee
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#254753 - 01/28/09 01:06 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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and just to add my $.02

this "top-notchness" goes a LONG WAY in ANY companies success...

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#254754 - 01/28/09 01:49 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
leezone Offline
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and now ANOTHER 5 DEMOS up at:
http://ketronaudya.wordpress.com/

gonns go check em out

just wanna say, i think it's great that these guys in Portugal are taking the time to record, and post these videos for those of us LESS FORTUNATE here in the USA

it's a shame that SUCH A SMALL country like Portugal has TONS of people trying out this AUDYA, and this HUGE country called USA , well....you know,... keep on waiting i guess....

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#254755 - 01/28/09 02:03 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Got to have one to post anything, I guess!

One thing for sure... As soon as they become more available (or available AT ALL, for us Americans!), there will be no shortage of user demos posted...

Unlike the mysterious MS, or the Wersi. I guarantee, the first person to get one here won't be shy about showing it off
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#254756 - 01/28/09 02:11 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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I've seen & heard enough....
Audya not on my shopping list.
To all who venture....enjoy!

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#254757 - 01/28/09 02:22 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Ye Gods!

An arranger that Donny is NOT going to buy!

Mind you, early days... let's see where this goes once he gets his hands on one for a while
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#254758 - 01/28/09 02:28 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Dnj,

maybe it's not for you, as the type of music you play does not benefit from this...

but for PORTUGUESE/LATIN , folk like, wedding band stuff i do, this may be the answer,

all we need now, is for it to be released,
for it to be competetively priced
and for it's styles to be customizable, and creatable from scratch...

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#254759 - 01/28/09 02:32 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Lee Im sure you could do just a s good with a SD1+ no problems.

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#254760 - 01/28/09 02:48 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Ye Gods!

An arranger that Donny is NOT going to buy!

Mind you, early days... let's see where this goes once he gets his hands on one for a while


Don't bet on it 76 keys, No speakers ? thats alone is a No sale ....Although now I'm very content with the S900 I now only look forward to the next S series model from Yamaha & I'm in no rush at all. I'm not a fortune teller like some here....I'll try them all...but will only change if at all or add too when it's right FOR ME....
I learned my lesson with being a curiosity cat....I'll sit back, make a good living playing music...& be a happy camper.

Carry on



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#254761 - 01/28/09 08:26 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by leeboy:
I was once told (actually many times) DO NOT LISTEN to the demonstrator...listen to the instrument.... But, I agree the Yamaha demo folks are top notch. Lee


Hi Lee,

I'm a HUGE Yamaha fan & I doubt if you'll find one single negative comment I've yet made about them.

But, Martin is a Charismatic person (he would make for an good evangelist) and as such portrays and shows of the Tyros 3 with extreme enthusiasm - definitely a shortfall on the Audya side. Also, Martin's style is more to our liking with Rock, Ballads, Elton John stuff etc.

Unfortunately, it seems like the folks at Italy and Portugal are more into Latin like stuff and as such the Audya do not portray it's full potential in the area that we are comfortable with.

But even with all the above, the Audya is clearly in a league of it's own and I for one cannot wait to be in a position to be able to aquire one for myself.

Keep well,
Henni
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#254762 - 01/29/09 03:08 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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The demonstrators look like they find the style controls rather awkward to use...why did they put them in the centre?

The pitch/mod wheels are quite high up on the panel and seem to be a stretch to access.

They should have kept it to 5 octaves.

Sounds aren't standouts, although the drums are excellent.

Ian

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#254763 - 01/29/09 11:30 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Henni

You're correct about taking the instrument into consideration versus the demonstrator. Unfortunately, you need the demonstrator to SHOW what the instrument can do, rather than PLAY the instrument.

The best demonstrators (in many cases) aren't the best player - the reverse is definately true!

That being said, our new Demos for the AUDYA (officially released by KETRON) are on our website (www.ketron.it) and these are the only DEMOS we officially recognize which showcase our product at this time.

Thanks,

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#254764 - 01/29/09 11:40 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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AJ,

what new demos, ???

aren't these the ones that have been there for over a month...

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#254765 - 01/29/09 12:10 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by ianmcnll:
The demonstrators look like they find the style controls rather awkward to use...why did they put them in the centre?

The pitch/mod wheels are quite high up on the panel and seem to be a stretch to access.

They should have kept it to 5 octaves.

Sounds aren't standouts, although the drums are excellent.

Ian

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Why did they put them in the centre.....
Its the best place to put it, you can use
left or right hand. The weel, Yamaha KX 88
have made the same, very good.
About 76 keybed..Very good,this is a KB for
real players,no midifileplayer.
About the righthandsound...hard to say,but what I heard soo far it sounds good. I have had all of the top of the lineKB. T2,T3,PA2X
G70,I think it is same class as T3 whitch is
IMO the best together with T2.PA2X Have a good arranger but the righthandsounds,,,
The G70 way after.All IMO //Tryggve

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#254766 - 01/29/09 12:31 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tryggve:
Why did they put them in the centre.....
Its the best place to put it, you can use
left or right hand. The weel, Yamaha KX 88
have made the same, very good.


Seems that your left hand would be the most free for changing style parts...I could see having registration buttons in the centre, but not the style controls...but if it works for you.

I owned a Yamaha KX88...the wheels were in much the same place as a DX-7 which were on the left end block.

Perhaps you are thinking of the new Yamaha KX8?

I don't like the position of the wheels on the KX8...but they seem to be a little more convenient than the Audya's.

I noticed the performers having a hard time reaching them.

That's why I like 61 keys...the wheels are closer.

Ian
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#254767 - 01/29/09 01:00 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:

I learned my lesson with being a curiosity cat....I'll sit back, make a good living playing music...& be a happy camper.


Welcome to the club, Donny
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#254768 - 01/29/09 01:29 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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AJ. I am now listening to the official Ketron audio demonstrations of the live guitar stuff.

Firstly, the Folk Live Guitar demo. There are but three chords played in the entire demo. A major chord, a minor chord, and a 7th (and the 7th demo is ALL 7ths, so I'm not sure that it isn't simply being triggered by a major chord).

Next, the Clean Live... not even a 7th in that one. Just plain major and minor.

And the Rock Live Guitar didn't even have a minor chord, let alone a 7th.

Is there any chance of you putting up a Live Guitar demo that extends beyond these simplistic basics? Every now and then, I like to stretch out and play the odd diminished. Sometimes even an augmented... On crazy days, I even play a maj7th! And on my birthday, I treat myself to a 7#9, just for old time's sake...

Any chance of demoing (soloed, like these others are) what the guitar track sounds like on these chord types?

And please, don't get me wrong.. I am STILL not 'bashing' the Audya. It's the only thing since my G70 that has got me at ALL excited about a new arranger. But I DO need to know what it sounds like handling these more complex chords, as I (unlike apparently a few here!) do sometimes use them...
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#254769 - 01/30/09 10:45 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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it's tough to get a SIMPLE answer to a SIMPLE question isn't it DIKI?

and no , AJ has not answered this already...

and if you guys believe he has answered it, then you don't know what a "complex" chord is or how to play one...

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#254770 - 01/30/09 10:49 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
leezone Offline
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or maybe he has, in a roundabout kinda way...

too much secrecy goin on with this AUDYA

we need to know more on audio loops, how they work, and what they can play, or can't play

i guess with time...

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#254771 - 01/30/09 11:33 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
leezone Offline
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up on the Portugal site, are yet ANOTHER 3 videos...

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#254772 - 01/30/09 12:35 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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i like LUIS ROSA's singing,

very nice, the effects/harmonizer sound wacked out, wrong setting/preset

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#254773 - 01/30/09 01:40 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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leezone wow sounds like your over the top on the Audya hope it works out for you when it ever gets here.

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#254774 - 01/30/09 01:58 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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yes the guy has a great voice and i think once he becomes really comfortable with the Audya he will make it sound great. At the moment its his voice that is selling the demo . And yes they should have used a different setting on the harmoniser or just switched it off altogether. I love the fact that younger people are demoing this instrument. That in itself make me feel more warm to the instrument. The drums sound great but so far thats the only standout that i can say appeals to me about the Audya. Not enough to prise me away from my current instrument though. But i genuinely wish Ketron the best.

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#254775 - 01/30/09 02:06 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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well i'm not over the top on AUDYA yet,
and i hope its price is not over the top either :-)

bit disappointed with all of AUDYA's guitar patches (acoustic, electric, distortion) and lack of some great cutting-edge modern sounds... piano sounds pretty good, sax, flute, accordions are great, brass OK but sound a little thin...all in all i like, but i gotta try it

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#254776 - 01/30/09 04:48 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Diki,

If I were AJ you would be the last person for whom I would honor your request. You are not EVER going to buy an Audya. You know all there is to know about audio loops and it is NEVER in your mind going to work.

Your sarcastic tone about your chord usage in your request would be the final decision maker in my book.

You are probably the most knowledgable person alive when it comes to the G70. Forget about the Audya.

Tom
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#254777 - 01/31/09 12:27 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Knowledge comes from investigation... I've already stated I know darn well there'll never be an Audya anywhere NEAR me, so the only way I'm going to find anything out about it will be to ASK...

Tom, please don't ASSume I'm going to do, or not do, ANYTHING. You have no idea whether I'm interested in this (which, God knows, I've said enough times that I AM). I simply don't like being fobbed off with platitudes about essential features from the developers themselves.

I really am ASTONISHED that the way that the audio loop section actually plays chords, the very thing (and almost ONLY thing) that sets this arranger apart from other arrangers, isn't the PRIMARY focus for inquiry... Let's face it, it is what is generating all the buzz. Drum loops have little in the way of technical problems - they don't need different loops for different chords, it's old (SD-1) technology... But the guitar and bass audio loops are a brand new to regular arrangers feature...

Surely how these work, and how well they work should be almost our ENTIRE focus, as this arranger is introduced?

Now, AJ has stated that they play any chord, any extension... OK, let's hear it.

I simply find it amazing that, if they DO play 'all chords, all extensions', why the guitar demos up at Ketron so relentlessly restrict themselves to such simplistic basics... I just think that, were it me making a demo of this feature, I would have wanted to show it off doing more than the simplest chords it could

It would take five minutes to make a demo like the ones on the Ketron site (I can't imagine the ones they have up taking longer than that), and would dispel ALL further comment about the issue... or they can just leave the question hanging.

I KNOW I'm not the only one that really wants to know what this section can, and can't do...
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#254778 - 01/31/09 05:03 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
well i'm not over the top on AUDYA yet,
and i hope its price is not over the top either :-)

bit disappointed with all of AUDYA's guitar patches (acoustic, electric, distortion) and lack of some great cutting-edge modern sounds... piano sounds pretty good, sax, flute, accordions are great, brass OK but sound a little thin...all in all i like, but i gotta try it



Sounds like your coming to your senses a bit now.....I guess Diki is making you think? or maybe what you already have is a better choice. Maybe after the store demo you'll have a better grip on this unit.

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#254779 - 01/31/09 05:48 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tom Cavanaugh:


You are not EVER going to buy an Audya.


I am not going to buy a Ferrari either, but that doesn't stop me from being interested in the specifications and performance.

I'd like to hear how the Audya's audio tracks handle complex chords.

It can't be that much to ask?

Ian
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#254780 - 01/31/09 05:58 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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These are very simple request. some of us here dont just play country music or waltzes. I play fusion and jazz and funk quite a lot . Imagine how peaved i wouild be if i didnt ask the questions Dikki (quite rightfully and respectfully) is asking and i find that the instruments real audio loops cut off when i play more complex chords and the same midi function that i had in my old keyboard kicks in ? It would kind of negate the ENTIRE purpose of buying the Audya . As far as i can see the only distinctive in the audya is the real drum and bass loops. There may be other sellings points but thats not what is being promoted by the Audya marketing and thats certainly what is getting my attention. The keyboards internal sounds are no better and (in some instances a step backwards ) from what i am playing already. So with respect these questions are actually quite important to some musicians who stray further than major and minor chord progressions.

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#254781 - 01/31/09 06:33 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Diki, like I said before when all else fails you would resort to whining about the availability. You should at least apologize to AJ for the sarcastic tone of your post. AJ has been more than polite to you, even though you have essentially called him a liar. He has showed some class, now how about you? Enough said

Diki, Ian, and Spalding, Ketron is an international company. You guys are soo wrapped up in yourselves that you think the company should alter their marketing plan just for you guys who will never buy a Ketron. You guys are soooo important.

Spalding if you think most of us only play country and waltzes you are an arrogant ass.

Leezone do you really think you can judge the quality of sounds by listening to a youtube demonstration? You are right you gotta try it.
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#254782 - 01/31/09 06:52 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tom Cavanaugh:

Diki, Ian, and Spalding, Ketron is an international company. You guys are soo wrapped up in yourselves that you think the company should alter their marketing plan just for you guys who will never buy a Ketron. You guys are soooo important.


Well, bud, I think I'm important, certainly and most assuredly the equal of you...and, speaking of being wrapped up...you seem to be wrapped up in defending a company that has, so far, been unable to put up demos that show the audio tracks can play complex chords.

It's like saying smoking cures weight problems...eventually.

Are customers who can't try this instrument going to learn the hard way that it doesn't meet their needs?

Now, before you launch into vitriolic commentary and lose control of key bodily functions, consider this: why is it sooooo hard for the chord demos we requested to be posted?

Surely they aren't hiding anything?

Ian
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#254783 - 01/31/09 01:32 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Originally posted by spalding:
yes the guy has a great voice and i think once he becomes really comfortable with the Audya he will make it sound great. At the moment its his voice that is selling the demo . And yes they should have used a different setting on the harmoniser or just switched it off altogether. I love the fact that younger people are demoing this instrument. That in itself make me feel more warm to the instrument. The drums sound great but so far thats the only standout that i can say appeals to me about the Audya. Not enough to prise me away from my current instrument though. But i genuinely wish Ketron the best.


Yes he does, a very nice voice, great pitch.
Also in Portugal you have a younger group of people who use arrangers.



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#254784 - 01/31/09 02:38 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Tom, you simply don't get it, do you...?

Were this the FIRST time I have asked this question, none of the subtext would have been included. But I'm NOT. I've asked it many times, initially as respectfully as even you might want (mind you, where's the respect from you to me that I'm supposed to show to AJ? ), only to be fobbed off with non-answers and half answers.

Given that AJ doesn't want to discuss the feature, I merely thought it might be easier to dispel the mystery with an audio demonstration of it's capability. And it seems like I'm NOT the only one interested. But that's entirely Ketron's choice. But blithely assuming that the potential buyers of the most expensive product they have ever made don't even CARE how well the main feature they are paying for works strikes me as very dubious approach...

But no doubt, when YOU buy yours (I guess I have as much right to ASSume what you are going to do, don't I?), perhaps you can oblige with an audio demonstration, seeing as I apparently have to sit up and beg like a dog for a basic feature to be showcased by the manufacturer themselves...

Imagine if Yamaha had simply announced SA2, but would NOT put up a demo of it anywhere... no matter how many times asked. Wouldn't YOU get curious as to WHY ?
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#254785 - 01/31/09 02:56 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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I must admit, whilst I am excited by the Audya, and to this date think I may wish to get it, the questions posed by Ian and Dikki have got me curious. Where is the complete manual??? I will not be spending anything before I get the full docs etc. I want this all to be true, and AJ I wish you would answer the questions
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#254786 - 01/31/09 04:00 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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The only reason I can think of why AJ is very "picky" in what he chooses to answer and what he chooses NOT to answer is because these things we're asking him and he's not answering are certain limitations on the Audya and AJ doesn't want to "expose" these limitations to the public because it brings a "negative" connotation to the Audya's marketing scheme. So he doesn't answer anything about the Audya that might put it in a bad light, etc. Such things as does it have USB 2.0 or 1.1? Apparently it has USB 1.1 because he has not cleared this issue up, even though it's been asked to him many times over the last two years.

Although, it is NOT uncommon for other manufacturers like the Big Three to withhold certain information about their keyboards too, when that information might cause a conflict of interest for the company(s) involved. Usually the omissions from the Big Three are few and far between (unlike Ketron ) and they may relent and answer them later on when pressed by the public to do so (unlike Ketron ). Remember the WAV ROM fiasco regarding the Tyros2? At first Yamaha didn't reveal the .wav rom amount, either on their website, or through their employees. Hi Steve! Later Yamaha did reveal the .wav rom amount although sidestepping the true reasoning for withholding the information in the first place.

I do have to say though, that if a company is not willing to be completely transparent in their interaction and dealings with the public regarding the products they try to sell to the public (especially when pressed to reveal that information), shows to me that that Company has a disregard and a lack of trust for the very people they are trying to ply their trade to i.e. you and me. Why should we trust them if they are not willing to trust us and oblige us by answering our questions? So yes, there is an amount of "dis" trust with Ketron on my part because they are NOT being totally open and/or completely transparent with me. Or for that matter, neither with consumers world over either. By their continual denial to answer pertinent and well intentioned questions about one of their products gives me much consternation and also much hesitation about a possible purchase of that particular product. Go figure...

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#254787 - 01/31/09 06:50 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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I think Nigel may want to do something about this thread.
Here is it you have persons accusing a representative of a company of not answering a question an implying that that representative is lying when in fact the representative did answer the question but stated he could not reveal every detail.

If I were Ketron I would not put up the demos just because persons on this forum (who appear not to want to purchase but to cause confusion and no matter would keep doubting the capabilities of the Audya) say so. I would put up the demo as the marketing plan dictates.

When Yamaha or Roland came out with a new arranger, I did not hear any one saying can that new arranger play a C 6 + 9 chord? Look, if Ketron manages to get the Audya to sound good, what does it matter how they do it or what actually happens with the audio track.


I am sure Ketron has a marketing and production plan and it is probably not based on the closed arranger plan that we are accustom to. It appears that Ketron is moving to a open source production plan so on like the T3, the release of the Audya is not the beginning and the end of that keyboard.
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#254788 - 02/01/09 09:25 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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If Ketron's plan is deliberately to obscure the details of this feature, they should be ashamed, and we should be concerned. If it is NOT deliberate, there should be no problem in posting the requested information or demos...

There's a complete difference between an audio loop of a guitar pattern and a MIDI part playing it (is your mention of this ignorance or just bloody mindedness?). My reservations (and others) about this feature are public knowledge. I think we deserve an explanation and a demo of it's capabilities before we show ANY interest in purchasing this arranger. Only a fool would consider this without investigating this brand new capability. No shortage of those, here, though!

And if Roland were to introduce this feature, and be as grudging to provide information about it in any form (and I knew there was little chance of me being able to try one out), trust me, I would be not one whit less persistent in trying to find out.

But I get your point... How DARE we ask questions of the manufacturers? What right as potential customers do we have to want to know how well they work before we pay for the product? We should just ASSume that everything works perfectly, after all, everything that anyone has ever made has always worked perfectly in the past, hasn't it..?

I should be ashamed... Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa
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#254789 - 02/01/09 10:24 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
to the genesys Offline
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Again, you are proving not to understand the concept in these newer arrangers.

As far as I know, Ketron has not marketed the Audya to be able to play a style with all audio tracks.

They have said that an ordinary midi style would be able to include some audio tracks.
If the style sounds good, what does it matter if the audio part of the style can or can not play the chord extensions? Do you think some one on the gig is going to come up to you and say “Wow that is the Audya can you please solo the audio track of the style and let me hear it play chord extensions?) If they are hearing the extension, do you think they care that it is the midi part of the style that is playing the extensions?

Again, I think Ketron should concentrate on potential buyers and not seek to play the game that pundits want them to play.

But I must emphasize, Ketron MUST step up their marketing an take control of the dialog regarding the Audya and not allow pundits to control the Audya’s selling points.
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#254790 - 02/01/09 11:54 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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it would be great if someone in Portugal could solo the audio guitar tracks, and play/record these complex chords... and then put up some videos...

it's about time we get some answers...

and for those not interested in the AUDYA's complex chords...then learn how to play them ;-)

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#254791 - 02/01/09 11:58 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Im sure all of the answers will be available as soon as the Audya is released officially.....& owners start dissecting it and working out all its features & see if any bugs surface...I still dont understand the rush to market....let Ketron get it right even if it takes another year so what?

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#254792 - 02/01/09 12:02 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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ye, it's only been 3 years,
what's another year? :-)

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#254793 - 02/01/09 12:12 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
ye, it's only been 3 years,
what's another year? :-)


hey Roland can do ....why can't Ketron.....the Sd1+ is still an excellent arranger that many don't even understand how to utilize all its features. There's no rush...& then if the Audya ain't right or rushed to market it will be criticized miserably......& at the approx $5k price point how many curiosity seeking hopefuls are really seriously going to buy one? And my next question even if Aydya turns out to be the greatest arranger of all time what is that going to do as far as a player own skills to produce quality music....the Audya isnt going to make you sound better ...that all up to YOU isnt it?



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#254794 - 02/01/09 02:04 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by to the genesys:

Again, I think Ketron should concentrate on potential buyers and not seek to play the game that pundits want them to play.

But I must emphasize, Ketron MUST step up their marketing an take control of the dialog regarding the Audya and not allow pundits to control the Audya’s selling points.


I am considered a potential buyer of the Audya (even more so if they would answer my questions ). If Diki can afford a G70 (not to mention all his other gear) certainly he can afford to purchase an Audya, in my opinion, (even though he may choose ultimately NOT to). One reason I can think of why Diki may NOT choose to indeed purchase the Audya is because Ketron is willingly leaving him (as well as me and the world for that matter) - in the dark regarding certain omissions of information that pertain to the Audya. Apparently Ketron is looking for people that don't ask the "hard" OR obvious questions about their products eh? >> Don't ask questions, just walk in lockstep over the precipice we are leading you over okay? We want your money NOT you to truly understand the product we are trying to peddle to you. >> Go away son you're bothering me. So says Ketron by their actions - or lack thereof, in my opinion.

Definition of a Pundit: 1. A source of opinion; a critic. 2. A learned person.

Objective opinions or legitimate criticism should be encouraged instead of squelched in my opinion. When a company is in error (by popular concensus by the way) then that company should be called on the carpet for it in my humble opinion. When information is brought to "light" it dispels the darkness that once was in its place. Would you rather be kept in the dark? That's fine, but don't blame the ones that are asking for transparency and for "light" in the hopes of dispelling that darkness. Especially when the product in question costs upwards of five grand.

If you're going to choose sides wouldn't you like to be on the side of = openness, integrity, transparency, and being forthright with the public vs. the opposite of that corporate ideal? I'm just saying...

All the best, Mike


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#254795 - 02/01/09 03:18 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Tom Cavanaugh Tell me where in my post i said that most of the players on synthzone only play country music or waltzes ??? You lose all credibility if you cant even qoute some one you wish to insult correctly! All i have said is that selling point for the ?Audya is the fact that it can play real Audio loops . I guess thats why it is called the "Audya" . The questions being asked by Dikki, Ian and and others is simple. Does the Audio element of the style recognise and play more complex Chords. I dont really care what it's midi capabilities are in a style because it wont be any different to what i have right now. Thats not an offensive question but the lack of a direct response is not good business from Ketrons side. Your response does'nt help matters at all.

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#254796 - 02/01/09 06:27 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Spalding,

Here is your quote complete with bad grammer and capitalization "some of us here don't just play country music or waltzes."

Who here does just play country music or waltzes? Please enlighten us with names. Obviously SOME of you must be a select few. What does it take to become one of the "SOME"?

Tom
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#254797 - 02/01/09 09:06 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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You guys seem to get so wrapped up in one thread......

Mr Dave who has used the Audya at home has explained how the audio guitar tracks work.
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/019051.html

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#254798 - 02/01/09 09:13 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
to the genesys Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by keybplayer:
I am considered a potential buyer of the Audya (even more so if they would answer my questions ). If Diki can afford a G70 (not to mention all his other gear) certainly he can afford to purchase an Audya, in my opinion, (even though he may choose ultimately NOT to). One reason I can think of why Diki may NOT choose to indeed purchase the Audya is because Ketron is willingly leaving him (as well as me and the world for that matter) - in the dark regarding certain omissions of information that pertain to the Audya. Apparently Ketron is looking for people that don't ask the "hard" OR obvious questions about their products eh? >> Don't ask questions, just walk in lockstep over the precipice we are leading you over okay? We want your money NOT you to truly understand the product we are trying to peddle to you. >> Go away son you're bothering me. So says Ketron by their actions - or lack thereof, in my opinion.

Definition of a Pundit: 1. A source of opinion; a critic. 2. A learned person.

Objective opinions or legitimate criticism should be encouraged instead of squelched in my opinion. When a company is in error (by popular concensus by the way) then that company should be called on the carpet for it in my humble opinion. When information is brought to "light" it dispels the darkness that once was in its place. Would you rather be kept in the dark? That's fine, but don't blame the ones that are asking for transparency and for "light" in the hopes of dispelling that darkness. Especially when the product in question costs upwards of five grand.

If you're going to choose sides wouldn't you like to be on the side of = openness, integrity, transparency, and being forthright with the public vs. the opposite of that corporate ideal? I'm just saying...

All the best, Mike


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If some of us understand the answer to the question and others do not, then should Ketron keep answering the question over and over and over and over and over again to those who do not seem to or want to understand? As I stated in my other post, Ketron must start to take control of the talk about the audya and not let persons who do not understand the concept of Audya and probably would not get one to control the talking points for Audya.

If some persons are saying that the only difference between Audya and the keyboards they own is the audio tracks a style could play, then that says the full consept of the Audya is not understood. I did not take the Audya's ability to include audio tracks in a style to drastically change a style. I took it to mean that it would enhance the style but the midi part would still be playing a major part. So the midi part would be playing the extensions. I am more interested in the style as a whole and not just on one track. If the style sounds good even when I play the extensions, then as long as my customers are happy, then I am happy.
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#254799 - 02/01/09 11:11 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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The audio tracks function the way many of us were suspecting they would perform...with
MIDI for the extensions.

I believe most of us were hoping that the audio tracks had been more complex than what has been stated on another thread...and, if the MIDI notes aren't perfectly matched to the audio portions, it will sound less than realistic.

I suppose the only way to tell is to hear demos of complex chords.

Any chance of having these done?

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#254800 - 02/02/09 12:13 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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In fact, Ian, it's not just MIDI for the extensions. It's MIDI ONLY for several important chord types (dim's aug's sus4's etc.) so the track could be constantly switching in and out depending on whether you use those chords or not.

This is disappointing, especially when you consider that, if these things stream from the HD as we have been told (rather than have to be loaded in RAM), what difference does it make it there are three chords (maj, min and 7th) recorded, or a dozen different kinds? Other than of course, the complexity in MAKING the loops. But the implementation of them shouldn't be any harder, you would think...
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#254801 - 02/02/09 12:13 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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'Here is your quote complete with bad grammer and capitalization "some of us here don't just play country music or waltzes."

Who here does just play country music or waltzes? Please enlighten us with names. Obviously SOME of you must be a select few. What does it take to become one of the "SOME"?

Tom'

Tom. This is just plain silly. I asked you , where in the qoute did it say that MOST people on the forum play country and waltz music ?

This is what you said

' Spalding if you think most of us only play country and waltzes you are an arrogant ass.'

you have qouted me and not pointed to where i said this. I understand why you might struggle...because i never said that!

Where did I say that there are a SELECT few that play more more complex chords ? You are going to struggle again..because i never said that !

You are going all over the place with your thought process except the most obvious.

Please read this and hpefully it will be the end of the matter.

'SOME' people play more complex chords. Thats not a difficult concept to understand. The evidence of this is the likes of Dikki, myself, maybe Ian and most probably a whole bunch of other users that can and do play more complex chords. If you believe its only a few, then that still 'SOME' Right ? If you believe that its most then thats still 'Some ' right ? The point i was making is still valid right ?

And if its the reference to country music and waltzes that some how offends you (although i have no idea why that might ) , i made the reference because country music and waltzes are not well known for using complex chords. They dont work very well with the style. So if musicians play in these genre predominatly (or exclusively)then whether the Audya uses real loops or midi note substitution it wont matter a lick.

I hope you dont get offended by this explanation too....

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#254802 - 02/02/09 05:13 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by Diki:
In fact, Ian, it's not just MIDI for the extensions. It's MIDI ONLY for several important chord types (dim's aug's sus4's etc.) so the track could be constantly switching in and out depending on whether you use those chords or not.


It sure is disappointing, and as I said earlier, the MIDI guitar parts had better come pretty close to the quality of the audio parts.

Plus, we're not talking about an arranger with "Mega-voice" technology, or even close to it, so there will probably be some discrepancy.

I guess the real proof will be to hear demos that will showcase chords that are more complex than the very basic ones.

Seems to be similar to producing a car that goes like stink in a straight line, but can't handle the curves too well.

A Ferrari engine in a Fiat Strada.
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#254803 - 02/02/09 06:08 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Hi all,

I've listened to EVERY single Audya demo - I did not hear anything that puts me off. And please note that the arranger is being played by a wide variety of folks from all ages.

One of the newer demos even include some amazing rock - did you listen to the rock guitar solo? Now tell me again that it will not compare to Mega voicing.

I think we're making too much hype of this new arranger. Because it uses audio, we're scrutinizing it under a magnifying glass which is not fair. The demo's are from all sorts of genres and hardly any major chords are being used at all. I am satisfied by what my ears are telling me, so all this intellectial debate do not put me off in the very least.

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#254804 - 02/02/09 06:12 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
Dnj Offline
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I hope we see a 61 key Audya w/speakers like the SD5 also.....then maybe I'll take a closer look

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#254805 - 02/02/09 09:12 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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when i think speakers on a keyboard, i think CASIO,

sorry , to me a pro keyboard should NEVER have 30-watt speakers,

and yes the SD5 should not have had speakers either

get a real sound system and a real monitoring system

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#254806 - 02/02/09 09:20 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
Dnj Offline
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lee you are so wrong .....onboard speakers are excellent monitors for vocalists/players
& versatility on very small gigs & other uses...many big pros here consider speakers a "Must have" I've gigged with Casios also so what?...what the audience loves is what you play & how "GOOD" YOU play your music not what is appears to be. lets HEAR what you got is my motto & always will be period, gear comes in second.

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#254807 - 02/02/09 09:36 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
ianmcnll Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
when i think speakers on a keyboard, i think CASIO,

sorry , to me a pro keyboard should NEVER have 30-watt speakers,



Lee, my friend, my Yamaha CP-300 Stage Piano has speakers...wouldn't you say that it is a pro instrument?

The Roland RD700 Stage Piano does not have speakers.

Would the Korg PA-588 be considered "pro"?

Some companies like to put them in, some don't...I don't think it makes one instrument "pro" and one not.

I like the convenience of speakers, and wouldn't buy a keyboard without them...at least not willingly.

We all have our preferences.

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#254808 - 02/02/09 12:16 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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i have seen HUNDREDS of REAL bands playing and not ONCE have a seen a keyboardist playing with a CASIO or with a speakered keyboard.

those keyboards with speakers are meant for the home and/or senior citizen gigs...

that is why those keyboards with speakers are in the home section of keyboard stores and the REAL pro non-speakered stuff, are loacated in the "Pro Audio" area

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#254809 - 02/02/09 12:22 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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"onboard speakers are excellent monitors for vocalists/players"

Dnj, no excellent monitors for my voice/keys are my 12" QSC powered speakers

but i guess everone has their own idea and/or preference of what's excellent.

sorry but, hearing say an SD5 through its internal speakers, or through a "real" system is a HUGE difference...

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#254810 - 02/02/09 12:28 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by leezone:
i have seen HUNDREDS of REAL bands playing and not ONCE have a seen a keyboardist playing with a CASIO or with a speakered keyboard.



Lee, if you were right, I’d agree with you.

There are many pro keyboardists using the Yamaha CP-300 and also many using the Yamaha P150/200...and they have speakers.

Michael MacDonald, formerly of the Doobie Bros uses a Yamaha CP-300 just to name one player you might recognize.

Your statements are full of sailboat fuel.

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#254811 - 02/02/09 12:34 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
"onboard speakers are excellent monitors for vocalists/players"

Dnj, no excellent monitors for my voice/keys are my 12" QSC powered speakers

but i guess everone has their own idea and/or preference of what's excellent.

sorry but, hearing say an SD5 through its internal speakers, or through a "real" system is a HUGE difference...


lee are you a daily gigging musician?
I only ask because I dont think you would lug around all that extra gear in & out a few times a day do you?

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#254812 - 02/02/09 12:41 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
leezone Offline
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whether i play 1, 2, 3, 4, times a week, i make it a point to look and sound as pro as possible,

most of my gigs are on weekends, part time gigging musician

also, i bet those pros using the speakered keyboards have the internal speakers turned off...

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#254813 - 02/02/09 01:12 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by leezone:

also, i bet those pros using the speakered keyboards have the internal speakers turned off...


Some do...depends on the venue.

Just the same, the CP-300 with speakers is as pro a keyboard as you will likely find anywhere.

So, the corollary is, keyboards with speakers are used by pros.

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#254814 - 02/02/09 01:22 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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That's the point, lee.

There isn't a single keyboard out there with sufficient CLEAN power output and SPL to keep up with a live drummer (with NO monitor!), let alone a whole band. If you are performing at a club level or higher, you can't use the speakers (and probably shut them off for fear of blowing them).

But there are a LOT of players here that play low level cocktail gigs, NH gigs, tiny senior citizen parties where playing at club level would get you fired! However, most of these STILL use a PA... To be honest, I have yet to hear a portable arranger with a sound system good enough to sound clean on simply the piano patch at the same volume a REAL piano can do.

Add to that that even a POS home theater system completely blows the arranger's speakers away for fullness of range and volume, and costs little, I have to start to question exactly what the purpose of the speakers are at all...

And all I can come up with is the 'home' user who is too cheap or too ignorant of what his arranger can REALLY sound like to buy a decent monitoring rig. The kids don't want to haul around a Logitech system from bedroom to bedroom, and it complicates putting it away in the closet (where it remains from week to week)

But other than a practice tool for a 'pro' user, when quality doesn't matter, I really don't see the point in them. I've seen Mike McDonald on his Yamaha, in fact, I watched him and Christopher Cross personally hump the damn thing back to his car (it was a small local songwriters event - mind you it just goes to show, no matter how big you get, NO-ONE wants to move your piano at the end of the day ), but I know for a fact those speakers weren't on during the show...

For me, the extra weight of speakers, as poor a quality as they are, is not a sufficient incentive to restrict my choices to ONLY speakered models. I'd rather use a decent set of cans if I HAVE to work on it while it's not hooked up. At least there, I am getting high quality sound...
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#254815 - 02/02/09 01:27 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by Diki:
I've seen Mike McDonald on his Yamaha, in fact, I watched him and Christopher Cross personally hump the damn thing back to his car (it was a small local songwriters event - mind you it just goes to show, no matter how big you get, NO-ONE wants to move your piano at the end of the day ), but I know for a fact those speakers weren't on during the show...



But...it had speakers, nevertheless...

And...Mike is a pro.

Thank you.



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#254816 - 02/02/09 01:34 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Don't you think though, that if they made the Clavinova in a lighter, speakerless version, THAT would have been the 'pro' choice? I KNOW that's what Mike and Chris would have preferred to carry!

Just because a 'pro' uses a 'home' piece of gear does not make it into a 'pro' piece of gear...
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#254817 - 02/02/09 01:40 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Diki is a smart man and makes some very good points...kinda reminds me of somebody :-)

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#254818 - 02/02/09 02:04 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
ianmcnll Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:

Just because a 'pro' uses a 'home' piece of gear does not make it into a 'pro' piece of gear...


True...you are a pro, and by using a "home keyboard" like the G70, it does not automatically become a pro instrument either.

Anything with an auto accompaniment section and "easy play" chords will NEVER be considered "pro"...when was the last time you saw a big name pro use a G70(besides yourself ) or a Tyros or a KorgPA on stage?

Not gonna happen.

Just be happy we can use these "home keyboards" to make money.

CP-300 is used by many pros.

My case I rest.

Ian



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#254819 - 02/02/09 02:25 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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i just wanna say that IF the AUDYA had speakers...
then you wouldn't be able to hear the difference between the Audio Loops playing the simple chords and the Midi playing the "complex" chords :-)

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#254820 - 02/02/09 02:35 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by leezone:
i just wanna say that IF the AUDYA had speakers...
then you wouldn't be able to hear the difference between the Audio Loops playing the simple chords and the Midi playing the "complex" chords :-)


I'm not sure if Audya is in the speaker business, but if they were, I hope they would be better designed than the audio loops.

Very disappointing.
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#254821 - 02/02/09 03:26 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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The AUDYA hype is here. What we need now are some FACTS. Or will it be like the T3 so much buildup and secrecy and then..... many people say is not that much of an improvement over its predicessor? Ye ye. SA voices but still thin electronic sounding drums and not many new styles

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#254822 - 02/02/09 03:34 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by leezone:
The AUDYA hype is here. What we need now are some FACTS.


Exactly!

We had the same issue with the Korg's style fill balance not that long ago.

It's always going on...it's just the Audya's turn in the barrel.

Let's hope we get some real facts and real demos that explain and exhibit the performance of the Audya's audio tracks.

Ian
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#254823 - 02/02/09 04:05 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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This is disappointing, especially when you consider that, if these things stream from the HD as we have been told (rather than have to be loaded in RAM),


The live audio drums are streamed during style play (you see the disk led flashing), the files for a single loop are around 20MB in size or more.

But I think the guitar riffs are all in memory, the data for all of them take about 128MB or a little more in total.

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#254824 - 02/02/09 05:20 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
whether i play 1, 2, 3, 4, times a week, i make it a point to look and sound as pro as possible,

most of my gigs are on weekends, part time gigging musician

also, i bet those pros using the speakered keyboards have the internal speakers turned off...


1st I rest my case on the part time gigs

2nd my KB speakers are on always as is many top pros like Uncle Dave, etc, etc ..
PLEASE DONT ASSUME.

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#254825 - 02/02/09 05:22 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Back to the on-board speakers - I NEVER play a gig, regardless of size, without using some type of PA, but I LOVE the fact that my board has built in speakers because I do not have to hook up speakers to practice or just 'play' at home ...

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#254826 - 02/02/09 05:25 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by tony mads usa:
Back to the on-board speakers - I NEVER play a gig, regardless of size, without using some type of PA, but I LOVE the fact that my board has built in speakers because I do not have to hook up speakers to practice or just 'play' at home ...

t.


Yep....me too...they are sooooo handy!

Headphones are a hassle.

Ian
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#254827 - 02/02/09 06:18 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
That's the point, lee.

If you are performing at a club level or higher, you can't use the speakers (and probably shut them off for fear of blowing them).



A band that I was in several years ago where I used my PSR 2000 the onboard speakers helped me monitor my own sound. My Mains were hooked up to the house system, which included floor monitors for the whole band, but the extra monitoring of the onboard speakers of the PSR 2000 helped. I was back in a semi secluded area of the stage where the onboard speakers complimented the floor monitors and made it easier for me to stay in the groove. As we all know the PSR 2000 was very light even with the inbuilt speakers. 30 Watts for speakers would have been welcomed though since the PSR 2000's speakers were only 12 Watts x2. Seems that Yamaha still has never broken that 12 Watt barrier for their arranger line unfortunately. OTOH, Korg, Roland, Ketron, and of course the now defunct Technics keyboard division have done so with some of their arrangers e.g. E80, PAX1, etc.

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#254828 - 02/02/09 06:48 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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I have yet to have any "pros" criticize my equipment. I HAVE had weekend warriors and people who consider themselves pros criticize it. They are usually in my audience wishing they could get my job.
I've had lots of stars and big-name pros hear me. Without fail, they have been complimentary and often inquisitive. They don't look down on arrangers, because they have no clue what they are in the first place.
It's for certain they don't give a rat's a** whether they have speakers. They have important things to worry about.
Personally I sort of like having speakers, but it's not important enough to affect a buying decision. I usually turn them off during a job, but I have played small jobs with just the keyboard speakers. VERY small jobs!
I had one last year that I played every Sunday for several months. I first took the Bose. They said it sounded great but there was no place for diners who didn't want to hear music to get away from it. Then I tried Logitech Z2200. They said it was too loud, even though I could barely hear it.
One Sunday I just took in the S900 and played through the onboard speakers. They loved it. Volume was perfect. Go figure.
Sure enough, I left it playing and walked around the room. You could hear very well, about the volume of an acoustic piano.
BTW, setup time was about 120 seconds.
You use whatever gets the job done.
In any case these non-pro instruments have kept me from having to get a real job for a LONG time.
HankB and I had a good friend who was a full-time entertainer also. He would play a set, then do yo-yo tricks for 30 minutes.
It wasn't a pro yo-yo, but the guy using it was. I think that may be the difference.
DonM
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#254829 - 02/02/09 11:20 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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I play live using only the onboard speakers at church every week. here are two songs i played live using just the onboard speakers both in performance and just jamming with live musicians including a bass player that had amplification.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aVU4lzgf5f4&feature=channel_page
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJnGyIf0ozQ&feature=channel


Not all keyboards with onboard speakers can produce good sound coming from them. Fortunately the korg can.

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#254830 - 02/03/09 02:00 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
Diki Offline


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You can't have it both ways, Ian. Either 'home' arrangers have speakers, in which case my G70 must be 'pro', or ALL arrangers are 'home' keyboards, in which case they don't HAVE to have speakers...

Which is it?

In fact, if you think about it, if merely using a keyboard at home makes it a 'home' keyboard, then ALL keyboards are 'home' keyboards. Because I don't know of a single one that isn't in the hands of at least a FEW 'home' players... Including Oasys's, Kurzweil's, Nord's, M3's, MoXS's, FantomG's, you name it. None of which have speakers.

Only the 'chip on their shoulder' arranger player (always on the alert for the next slight) gives a toss about a keyboard's designation, or even tries to hand one out. A 'pro' keyboard is any keyboard in the hands of a pro. And a 'home' keyboard is any keyboard used at home.

Kind of makes the point moot, don't it?
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#254831 - 02/03/09 02:33 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by Diki:
In fact, if you think about it, if merely using a keyboard at home makes it a 'home' keyboard, then ALL keyboards are 'home' keyboards.


Conversely, merely using a "home" keyboard on stage, or to make money, does not make it a "pro" instrument.

It just defines the player's position.

Ian

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#254832 - 02/03/09 02:58 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by DonM:

You use whatever gets the job done.
In any case these non-pro instruments have kept me from having to get a real job for a LONG time.


Ain't it grand! Well said, Don.

Ian
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#254833 - 02/03/09 07:31 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Pro or Home...Lets hear what you got I say!

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#254834 - 02/03/09 07:43 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by Dnj:
Pro or Home...Lets hear what you got I say!


Hey buddy...I'm still waiting for that MIDI recording on your S900.

Please with cheese on it!

Ian



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#254835 - 02/03/09 07:47 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Originally posted by ianmcnll:
Hey buddy...I'm still waiting for that MIDI recording on your S900.
Ian



whats a midi?

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#254836 - 02/03/09 08:00 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by Dnj:

whats a midi?



I said "MIDI recording"...and I'm sure a professional like yourself is very familiar with that term...perhaps SMF would be another way of putting it.

I'd like a MIDI recording so I can play it back on my S900 and watch the score page and see how you do your chords and how you phrase.

MP3's won't do that little trick, and I'm always interested in how others play.

So please (with cheese) indulge my little request, if you have time.

Thank you.

Ian
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#254837 - 02/03/09 11:30 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Hey Ian... how come you can't do what the rest of us do? Simply LISTEN to a track to hear what the chords are, and how it's played? I KNOW you have enough skill for that! It's definitely telling that Donny is the only one you are goading for an SMF now...

Or are you fishing a bit desperately for a comeback after Donny HAS got plenty of audio up on his site to listen to, and you haven't got anything? I suppose as long as you keep harping for an SMF now, rather than being as content as the rest of us with an audio track, that absolves you of any need to reciprocate

'Show and tell' involves telling AND showing...
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#254838 - 02/03/09 11:34 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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I think Ian has enough demos now to be content

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#254839 - 02/03/09 11:39 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by Diki:
Hey Ian... how come you can't do what the rest of us do? Simply LISTEN to a track to hear what the chords are, and how it's played? :


No Diki...I'd rather have the MIDI file...if Donny was playing something other than a Yamaha, I would be more than happy with an MP3, but since I have the chance to see the music as well as hear it, I may as well ask for the former.

Plus, I would really like to hear him play an instrumental...he's told me that he does them as well...I already know what a great singer he is.

I certainly don't think I'm goading him on...you might do something like that, but I'm just asking politely.

Ian



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#254840 - 02/03/09 11:43 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
Dnj Offline
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Ian when I get time I'll do an instrumental for you.....arranger style only Im not a piano player.

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#254841 - 02/03/09 11:49 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by Dnj:
Ian when I get time I'll do an instrumental for you.....arranger style only Im not a piano player.


Thank you very much, my friend...arranger style would be fine.

Just send the SMF to my addy.

Ian
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#254842 - 02/03/09 12:00 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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arranger style only Im not a piano player.


Now that's NOT what they were telling us from the Jam...

Methinks you are getting a bit modest
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#254843 - 02/03/09 12:25 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Diki I am not a trained piano player..... ...sure I can play my ass off on an Arranger w/left Hand chord mode...
but Solo Piano is NOT my forte. Singing is my primary function backed up with an arranger KB....although at the Jam I did jam Solo & sit in the mix with Don M, Hank, Joe Lee Richards etc, etc, as I was a keyboard player for 25 years with my band before 17 years with arrangers...I just do my thing & thank the Lord I can enjoy it every day!

PS.. what this has to do with Audya demos I don't know

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#254844 - 02/03/09 02:46 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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What has this all have to do with the Audya,
This forum becomes a real mess, every time a spin off.
Please stay on Topic ?

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#254845 - 02/03/09 02:48 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
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Originally posted by Dnj:
Ian when I get time I'll do an instrumental for you.....arranger style only Im not a piano player.


Thank you VERY much Donny, for the great instrumental MIDI files...

I know you told me they were just Quick Record rush jobs, but your talent shone through and it is obvious you have a great touch and play with lots of emotion.

I much appreciate you taking the time to record the tunes and sending them to me.

Ian the Grateful
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#254846 - 02/03/09 02:52 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
Dnj Offline
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Ian your very welcome.....I really enjoyed your work also....super playing!!

Danny Boy was exceptional!

Thank You

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#254847 - 02/03/09 03:02 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
DonM Offline
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AAAWWW, ain't that sweet!
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#254848 - 02/03/09 04:48 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
cgiles Offline
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AAAWWW, ain't that sweet!
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I wouldn't get too emotional. 24 hours hasn't passed yet .

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#254849 - 02/17/09 10:47 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
leezone Offline
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up on Portugal site, there's another guy (brasilian) trying out the AUDYA, (not a demo ;-)
http://ketronaudya.wordpress.com/

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#254850 - 02/17/09 10:56 AM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
Dnj Offline
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Nice demo...but what is shown so far hasn't trumped any of the top of the line arrangers out there already.. Here is my question...

What will Audya bring to the table that will make me go WOW!!!... versus a T2,T3,S900, Pa800,G70,Pax2, SD1+, and go in my pocket and spend whatever for it........?

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#254851 - 02/17/09 03:19 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
to the genesys Offline
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Originally posted by Dnj:
Nice demo...but what is shown so far hasn't trumped any of the top of the line arrangers out there already.. Here is my question...

What will Audya bring to the table that will make me go WOW!!!... versus a T2,T3,S900, Pa800,G70,Pax2, SD1+, and go in my pocket and spend whatever for it........?

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To be sure that is just your opinion right? To answer your question, Only you would know.
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#254852 - 02/17/09 03:36 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
DonM Offline
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Originally posted by Dnj:
Nice demo...but what is shown so far hasn't trumped any of the top of the line arrangers out there already.. Here is my question...

What will Audya bring to the table that will make me go WOW!!!... versus a T2,T3,S900, Pa800,G70,Pax2, SD1+, and go in my pocket and spend whatever for it........?

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Donny,
How about getting to leave at home, or sell, your vocal harmonizer, laptop, MP3/Wave player, Recorder, mixer (for extra mic, or for recording - Audya has up to 8 separate assignable outputs)? How about not having to listen to crappy drum sounds and boring bass lines? How about great-feeling keys?
How about 76 notes? I could go on and on.
Maybe it's not for you, but these tools are invaluable for me.
DonM
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#254853 - 02/17/09 03:59 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
Dnj Offline
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Don all valid points if you "stay put' at a gig room......but luggin it in & out every day many times 2x a day 76 keys & NO speakers is a no sale for me for many reasons....most of my day work couldn't care less...........
I do agree that all you say is true for the right circumstances in a physical all in one on-board feature sense...but if you read what I wrote as up till now the only WOW factor is the price...I hope by next January you'll be playing one at the Jam
is it going to make me more money ?..I doubt it....but I hope it does good on the market for whomever buys one. Time will tell.

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#254854 - 02/17/09 09:30 PM Re: Lots More AUDYA Demos...Check 'em out !!!
DonM Offline
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Not true, I heard quite a few Wows when AJ played that thing. My wife even was blown away by the sound.
You be nice, or no more Shrimp PoBoy's for you.

DonM
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