Well it seems as if the Yamaha apologist still are not getting it and continue to have a lot of inconsistencies in their arguments.


First up there is an argument that the G70 and the E60 sales are not doing well. By putting the G70 and the E60 together shows a lack of understanding of the arranger keyboards and only proves my point. The G70 is 76 keys with out speakers and the E60 is 76 keys and with speakers. So putting them together is wrong.
Secondly the G70 is quite heavy of a keyboard; and in actuality the heaviness has nothing to do with 76 keys.
And thirdly, the poster proved my point in lumping those keyboards together. It shows that by saying that a 76 key keyboard and a 76 key keyboard with speakers are not doing well in sales. 76 keys is not the reason for the “lack of sales” (if there is even a lack of sales). Obviously there are other reasons.

No one has shown that just by the fact that a keyboard has 76 keys it would decrease Yamaha arranger sales. People have only shown that other reasons (like sounds, OS weight and size …) would prevent persons from doing so.


The other problem that the apologist run in to in their argument is that internal rivalry and one division would take away sales from the other is a reason for Yamaha not making a 76 key arranger. How ever, they also acknowledge that the workstation and arranger markets are 2 different markets. So there is a problem in that argument.

Additionally, they say that there is no evidence that a 76 key arranger is in demand. Apparently, Roland with the G1000, VA 76 G70, E60 and so on think so.
Korg with the PA1x pro and the PAx2x pro think so.

Ketron with the Sd1 and soon to come Audia think so.

Lionstrack with the Mediastation think so.


The point that I am making is that if there were no market, then these companies would not have continued to make 76 key arrangers. They would have stopped after the first one.
As a smart business strategy, they realize that having 76 keys does not hurt their sales it will only increase sales. That is what Yamaha and their apologist do not get.
Any problems with sales for those keyboards are not with the fact that they are 76 keys but with other factors.

What the apologist are really saying is Yamaha is right because they are right. If they were wrong then they would have fixed it. But since they have not fixed it therefore they are right. They further believe that Yamaha is only wrong if they admit they are wrong but they are right all of the time.

And the other companies are wrong because they are not Yamaha. This discussion has shown that there is a blind belief and faith in Yamaha and that Yamaha can do no wrong. There are know facts, no sound business and marketing arguments to support the apologist points.

It is very scary when I actually am starting to believe Diki’s contention that some people have Yamaha as a Religion.


[This message has been edited by to the genesys (edited 04-04-2008).]