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#382688 - 01/27/14 04:16 AM
Owner of MIDJPRO!
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Registered: 11/13/13
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... yes, I am, for almost 7 days by now, the owner of this brilliant hybrid module!
Still working on it, 'cause it's really hard to accomplish what you want without a proper-in detail user manual and with a chopped O.S.
But hey, that's the dark side of Ketron... I got used with it so far, and I took the risk to be one of those lab-rats doing the beta testing work for the italian guys.
So far, I can only tell that is has a great sound, almost 100% usable internal styles, and a really intuitive interface.
I'll soon post some recordings, so you can hear for yourselves.
Unfortunately, the module does not remember yet the proper settings for the newly created registrations, doesn't remember the user edited voices - you'll need to load them at every boot.
There is NO WAY you can acces the RAM memory supposedly hosting some *. ins or *.msp, I presume... and no trace of info about it in the quick guide supplied, as well.
The machine freezes several times a day, when you press some random knobs, and it restarts randomly under moderate editing...
No *.djl support, no SFX inside the machine, no display contrast adjustment, not possible to choose the Audio Drums inside the styles...
The internal styles have *.kst extension, and the module is compatible with the old ketron styles thanks to a converter whis exist inside the machine...
So far, there's much more CONS about the MIDJPRO than PROS.
I hope they'll all be corrected with the next O.S. We need a quick update of it a.s.a.p.
Why did I called it brilliant? Because of it's potential.... I still have faith in Ketron engineers... yet...
Will keep you posted about my new Ketron adventure...
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Roland RD700 exp., Ketron Audya5, Ketron MIDJPRO, TC Helicon Harmony-M, EV N/D967, Shure Beta58A, Roland FR4X, Yamaha PSR SX900
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#382907 - 01/28/14 09:58 PM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: danielbordeiu]
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thanks Daniel.
Questions:
Does the style controls like fill in, variation change, break, start/stop done on the touch screen? if so, how responsive they are?
Can you control volume and mute style parts using the real sliders similar to Audya?
How good is the harmonizer?
Regards
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Jim
SD90,Korg I3, KMA Liverpool,TC Helicon Play Electric, Fender Sonoran Guitar, vArranger, Bose S1 Pros, Bose L1 Compact, Aiwa Exos-9
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#382913 - 01/29/14 12:17 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: synerjim]
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Registered: 11/13/13
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Loc: Romania
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They're all controllable from the touch screen as well, and the tabs ar very responsive!
Like in Audya, there are 5 physical sliders controlling the DRUMS, BASS, CHORDS, LOWER, and UPPER volumes.
You also have display tabs for MUTING the DRUMS2 and two of the accompaniament tracks in real time.
I haven't tried the harmonizer long enough yet to have a pertinent opinion, but I can tell you about the chord recognition: it's more accurate and refined than Audya.
Edited by danielbordeiu (01/29/14 12:18 AM)
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Roland RD700 exp., Ketron Audya5, Ketron MIDJPRO, TC Helicon Harmony-M, EV N/D967, Shure Beta58A, Roland FR4X, Yamaha PSR SX900
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#383899 - 02/05/14 04:49 PM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: danielbordeiu]
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Registered: 11/13/13
Posts: 105
Loc: Romania
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... Short update... after days and nights of tweaking the module, I still hope that MIDJPRO will be a great instrument! For now, I keep fighting, though, with the fact that it randomly freezes especially when you try to save the registrations. And with the fact that the registrations don't remember if the module is set to play as Pianist or Bassist or in Manual bass mode, even if you've edited and saved these parameters when you created the registration. More to say, if you use a registration which is set on PIANIST or MANUAL BASS, when you change to a different one, no matter the previous saved parameters, it will load the registration in the same mode ( manual or pianist) as the previous one you've used... It is CHAOS in live on the stage!!! I hold my comments here, trying to point out that the O.S. has loads of bugs when it comes to live use! I hope it was not intended for DJ-ing mainly!  If any of the Ketron staff is reading this, please, come up with a proper update, if you wanna make some money with MIDJPRO! Regards to all of you!
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Roland RD700 exp., Ketron Audya5, Ketron MIDJPRO, TC Helicon Harmony-M, EV N/D967, Shure Beta58A, Roland FR4X, Yamaha PSR SX900
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#384242 - 02/10/14 07:23 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: danielbordeiu]
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Registered: 11/13/13
Posts: 105
Loc: Romania
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Saturday night gig.... In the middle of the ballad, the module freezes due to extensive use of sustain pedal... It's probably reached the maximum of polyphony. Totally embarrasing. It took 5 looong minutes to restart this little devil. I used the Pianist mode, with the volume set to 0 for the Lower parts and the Chords. The Layered Piano sound was the one I used on the Upper. I think that even if you set the volumes to 0 for some parts, the instrument's still counting them into the polyphonic structure. Or not... It's all so blurred. I need a proper manual for this module! Getting tired of so much guessing... Overall, the only major CONS is related to the O.S. It's spoiling all the fun of playing! Soon I'll write down all of the bugs that I've encountered so far... Maybe someone in charge will get to hear about them. Does anybody out there has bought a MIDJPRO yet? Regards!
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Roland RD700 exp., Ketron Audya5, Ketron MIDJPRO, TC Helicon Harmony-M, EV N/D967, Shure Beta58A, Roland FR4X, Yamaha PSR SX900
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#384268 - 02/10/14 11:18 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: danielbordeiu]
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Registered: 10/27/03
Posts: 526
Loc: CA
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Daniel, thanks for the continuing reviews on the MidJPro.
I need to ask another question, can MJPro connect to a midi keyboard using USB and also power it?
Thanks
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Jim
SD90,Korg I3, KMA Liverpool,TC Helicon Play Electric, Fender Sonoran Guitar, vArranger, Bose S1 Pros, Bose L1 Compact, Aiwa Exos-9
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#384278 - 02/10/14 02:06 PM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: synerjim]
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Registered: 11/13/13
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I haven't tried yet... most of my gear is at home, and now I'm relocated for the next two months. Currently, I control the MIDJPRO via a Yamaha digital piano. My guess is that it's able to powerfeed a midi keyb through its USB connection. But then again, we should've had it written in the user manual, right? 
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#385965 - 03/08/14 07:33 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: danielbordeiu]
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Registered: 11/13/13
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Hi there, ketroners, I'd like to share with you a conversation which I've had with the Ketron customer service, regarding some MJPRO questions... Nome: Daniel Bordeiu
E-mail: danielbordeiu@yahoo.com
Testo del messaggio:
1. What type of RAM sound can the MIDJPRO use, how do I load it and how do I edit it in the Voice edit menu?
2. How can I insert one RAM sound into a style arrangement?
3. How can I change a Live Audio Drum inside an arrangement?
4. How can I convert back a *.KST style to an *.PAT style in order to further editing with EMC Style COnverter?
Regards, Daniel Bordeiu - Audya5 and MIDJPRO - pianoentertainer
...and here is what I got back ... 1. What type of RAM sound can the MIDJPRO use,
r1. is a flash Ram.
2. how do I load
r2. you “see” flash memory as USER FS on menu MEDIA
3. it and how do I edit it in the Voice edit menu?
r3. When you select Edit you have access to many parameters to modify
4. How can I insert one RAM sound into a style arrangement?
r4. you can add only modified user sound ( not imported sample )
5. How can I change a Live Audio Drum inside an arrangement?
r5. What means “change” ..?? To replace or what else ?
6. How can I convert back a *.KST style to an *.PAT style in order to further editing with EMC Style COnverter?
r6. Once a style is on Midjpro, you can achieve only on KST or MID
Regards,
K E T R O N s.r.l.
Servizio Assistenza Clienti so, after this "comprehensive" message, I dared to ask them again... Hi, Ketron, thanks for the time you took answering my question.
There are some unsorted things though, and that's why I'm gonna kindly ask you again:
1. RAM sound - 64 MB ... This is what it's been advertised in the brochure. The user manual includes NO reference about it. According to your explanations, I was supposed to find an USER FS ( that being a directory, or what? ) from the MEDIA menu - you said. Pressing the MEDIA knob, sends me to a display where I can "see" the SSD of the module (and some other USB memory - if inserted). On the lower part of the display I see some tabs, but none of them will send me to "USER FS". Entering the SSD of the module, I see a lot of directories, but than again, no USER FS. So, please, explain one more time, WHAT is all about this 64 MB RAM sound? You say it's not loadable with *. ins or *.msp ? Because in the brochure it's all blurred...
2. Regarding the Live Audio Drums - My question was: Can I load a style into a registration, open up the EDIT - VIEW screen, and from there to designate another LIVE AUDIO DRUM on the Drum 1 section, other than the one the *.kst style came with in the first place?
3. You said that I can also add "only a modified user sound" to an arrangement. Are you talking about the 4 Voices on the Upper Right? Because my question was about changhing a CHORD section - sound with another one, presumed to be loaded into that 64 MB flash RAM Sound memory.
4. When I edit a VOICE, I can only save it as a bulk file, and there is no way I can tell the module to load it at startup, even if I use the CUSTOM STARTUP save - function.... Is this an O.S. bug, or do you have an explanation regarding how I can accomplish that?
5. Saving a registration it's easy... Recalling it with the correct parameters, it's a painful and not always succesful operation - I need to press the ENTER knob 4-5 times in a row, to get a registration to load with all the correct parameters it's been previously saved... I take it this IS a bug...
The list can go on, with all the bugs that I've discovered during this month since I've started using the module, but it seems like nobody from Ketron gives a damn about it. Is there anybody interested in how the module responds in live performing situation? One cannot solve the problems if one doesn't know what issues to address... Can you put me in touch with some of the Ketron engineers involved in the development of the O.S.? I have sooo many things to tell about MIDJPRO...
Regards,
Daniel Bordeiu - piano entertainer. I'd also like to mention that my first mail is dated 13th Feb and they responded on 26th Feb. I still haven't got yet any response since my last reply.... Probably they're too busy .... So, can somebody tell me what can I make out of this? Have a lovely 8th March Saturday with your beloved ones!
Edited by danielbordeiu (03/08/14 07:34 AM)
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Roland RD700 exp., Ketron Audya5, Ketron MIDJPRO, TC Helicon Harmony-M, EV N/D967, Shure Beta58A, Roland FR4X, Yamaha PSR SX900
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#386355 - 03/14/14 11:10 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: danielbordeiu]
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Registered: 11/13/13
Posts: 105
Loc: Romania
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No answer from Ketron yet, but there's some good news as they've released an 1.2 OS update. Will upgrade tonight, and I'll keep you posted about it's efficiency. MidjPro Elettronic Module
News - RELEASE 1.2
-Increased compatibility of Chords data event contained on the midi file
-Improved transposer features on audio + midi files
-Optimizing management polyphony and playing midi files
-Improved reading Lyrics Mp3 files ID3 format vers.2.4
-Improved reading MP3s low resolution
-Improvements on the management Disk menu
-Optimized alphanumeric keypad and management of Search feature
-Improved synchronization TXT file
-Optimized file compatibility. KAR (also on Playlist)
-Improved reading of MP3 DJ menu (BPM and more)
-Menu optimization on Juke Box and SFX section
-Added autorepeat FILL1,2,3,4, BREAK1 2,3,4, on footswitch .
-Optimization of Pianist, Bassist Functions with Sustain Pedal
-Various implementations and improvements on Accordion and Registration Menu
-Further improvements on Arranger Section plus expanded compatibility Styles
on previous products by Ketron.
-Increased overall volume Wave and Mp3
-Enabled User Voices loading on power start up
-Several improvements on Transposer menu.
-Remote Keyboard Usb now directly connected to the instrument.
-Improvements on video formats compatibility
-Implemented Backup and Restore of: Playlist, My Folder and System Setting (Internal saving of Arabic,Preset, Footswitch,Midi ,Registration info)
-Improvements on Voicetron menu Have a great weekend, folks!
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Roland RD700 exp., Ketron Audya5, Ketron MIDJPRO, TC Helicon Harmony-M, EV N/D967, Shure Beta58A, Roland FR4X, Yamaha PSR SX900
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#386720 - 03/20/14 06:28 PM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: danielbordeiu]
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Registered: 10/27/03
Posts: 526
Loc: CA
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Great update Daniel. I'm pretty happy with my MidJay due to it's versatility inspite of it's bugs, so the natural progression is to get the MidJPro (which is way better than MidJay).
I just do not know how can i get one.
Anyway, keep us posted on your journey with the MJPro.
Thanks
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Jim
SD90,Korg I3, KMA Liverpool,TC Helicon Play Electric, Fender Sonoran Guitar, vArranger, Bose S1 Pros, Bose L1 Compact, Aiwa Exos-9
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#386736 - 03/21/14 06:56 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: danielbordeiu]
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Registered: 11/13/13
Posts: 105
Loc: Romania
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Here I am with the latest conclusions after the 1.2 OS release for the MIDJPRO.
I guess anybody will be more interested in revealing the flaws of this product, that's why I'm gonna concentrate on those, with no disrespect intended for the Ketron people... 
Being a piano entertainer, I haven't digged into those DJing functions. Regarding the arranger part, here's my 2 months report: 
1. The 1.2 OS brings an overall fix to the accurate recalling of the registrations.
However, the LOCK TEMPO function it's still randomly working. That means it's not reliable yet!
2. The chord recognition is really good, as I said, better than in Audya, although a registration sometimes "forget" to set the ch. recognition mode the way you've previously stored it. Usually, it stays on EASY, with no reason...
3. Using the audio drums, requires a lot of "juice" from the module. Probably that's why it glitches and sometimes it stops when you change the registrations on the move, without ending the previous style.
Is it the RAM, or is it the processor? 
4. I tried to transpose an mp3 during playback.... Was not able to...
5. It is now possible to power up an USB midi keyboard, connected to any of those 3 USB-A inputs. Kudos!
I tried it with a MIDI controller, and I tried it with an Yamaha P105 (which sports ONLY an USB-B to Host connection)and it worked like a charm!
I was even able to control the MIDJPRO in the same time with the Yamaha P105 (through the USB port) and with the MIDI controller (through the dedicated MIDI IN port)!!!  At some point, it randomly stopped recognising the chords, and then, randomly again, started recognising them...
However, the MIDI signal outputed from the USB connection, does NOT patch by into the dedicated MIDI THROUGH port - it is not rerouted the way it logically should.
That means that if you'd wanna chain some other MIDI device (the TC Helicon Harmony M in my case), you'd fail. Which I did.
6. Again, no RAM SOUND(64MB) reference.... 
7. I couldn't manage to load the User Voices at startup
Regarding the expanded compatibility Styles and the other improvements sported with 1.2 OS I could not figure out what is all about.
The description of the fixes and improvements for 1.2 it is really sloppy, Ketronish - vague 
Actually, there is NO fixes description... It's like they're not aware of the flaws of the OS.
That's all that I can say for now. If anything else comes up, I'll let you know.
OVERALL bottom line: It's a love-hate relationship you'll gonna have with this product  like with all the other Ketron products, in fact.
I give it a 7 out of 10 (10 being the IDEAL)  , and chances are that in time things will get better smile
P.S. 1 I still wait for that answer from the Ketron engineers... it's been too long....
P.S. 2 Am I the only one testing the MIDJPRO on this forum?!?
P.S. 3 My "funny" MIDJPRO - video
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Roland RD700 exp., Ketron Audya5, Ketron MIDJPRO, TC Helicon Harmony-M, EV N/D967, Shure Beta58A, Roland FR4X, Yamaha PSR SX900
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#386800 - 03/22/14 10:33 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: danielbordeiu]
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Registered: 11/13/13
Posts: 105
Loc: Romania
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Short notice: MP3 transposition during playback - working. As well as saving it afterwards. 7,5 out of 10!  I am pretty sure that the next upgrade will cover the other issues, gettin' us closer to that ideal arranger everyone's dreaming of... However, I'll say it again, this great machine deserves a more comprehensive user manual. The same obs. goes for Audya too...
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Roland RD700 exp., Ketron Audya5, Ketron MIDJPRO, TC Helicon Harmony-M, EV N/D967, Shure Beta58A, Roland FR4X, Yamaha PSR SX900
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#386911 - 03/24/14 07:07 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: tastenfuzzi]
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Registered: 11/13/13
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I really apreciate your honesty, Bernie, regarding the RAM sound My experience with Ketron dates from 2006, and I've been through a lot ever since. I came from a relatively "safe" Roland and Korg environement, and I really had no idea about what I'm up to when I choose Ketron upon other brands... I was charmed by them drums, mainly, and that got me going for the next almost 8 years... Maybe my expertise doesn't exceed yours or so many other users, but I hope that my insights have some value for those reading my posts. I usually tweak a lot, pushing limits all the time, and trying to make the most of my instruments, and that may be one of the reasons why I sometimes achieve weird results... Here's another 3 video episodes with the results of some Voice Edit... I just tried to build a three voices layer (monophonic) with some FX insert, and here's how the instrument responded to it... Voice Edit 1 Voice Edit 2 Voice Edit 3 Try to picture this situation ocurring just one night before, during my performance in front of almost 300 people... See for yourself, and tell me what can you make out of it?
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Roland RD700 exp., Ketron Audya5, Ketron MIDJPRO, TC Helicon Harmony-M, EV N/D967, Shure Beta58A, Roland FR4X, Yamaha PSR SX900
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#386924 - 03/24/14 09:03 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: DAN.2000]
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I don't mean to scare away any potential new Ketron buyers by posting this videos, but one must face the truth, which is, imho, that somehow this situations could have been avoided by initiating a sort of beta testing program...
If that's a consolation, we may take comfort from the fact that this happend and still happens to more awarded computer manufacturers, not to point at any of them specifically.
Being in the keyboard arranger market it's a tough game to play, no matter how innovative you are... A great deal of resources and money are required in order to achieve a decent OS.
Now I speak for myself, as an user of the old Midjay and Audya 5, and I might say that the MIDJPRO has yet the best OS among them, despite the flaws described.
... and it will get better, of that I'm sure, due to this new kind of aproach they've taken...
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Roland RD700 exp., Ketron Audya5, Ketron MIDJPRO, TC Helicon Harmony-M, EV N/D967, Shure Beta58A, Roland FR4X, Yamaha PSR SX900
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#388877 - 05/11/14 04:28 PM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: danielbordeiu]
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Registered: 10/27/03
Posts: 526
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Hi Daniel,
Can you please describe in details how you setup the MJ Pros with a midi keyboard controller using the USB connection only?
Also, have you used the Voicetron already?
Thanks much.
Jimmy
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#389114 - 05/19/14 05:20 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: synerjim]
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Registered: 11/13/13
Posts: 105
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Hi, Jimmy,
it is quite simple. All you need is an USB A-B cable (I presume that your MIDI keyboard has a USB B connector plug). Plug the B end into the keyboard, and the A end into any of the three A plugs of the MIDJPRO. The module is recognizing the keyboard automatically. You do not need an external AC source, for the module is powering the keyboard through the USB connection as well.
Good luck!
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Roland RD700 exp., Ketron Audya5, Ketron MIDJPRO, TC Helicon Harmony-M, EV N/D967, Shure Beta58A, Roland FR4X, Yamaha PSR SX900
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#389348 - 05/29/14 02:20 PM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: danielbordeiu]
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Registered: 05/12/14
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Hi Daniel,
I use it both as an arranger (I use a midi guitar system) and also as a midi/mp3 player.Also as a mixer w effexts(along with a singer). Generally the arranger function works ok for me (but my requirements are few, mostly the manual bass function and some sounds for single line soloing). But when I turn to the mp3KAR usage, things go pretty bad. I play a number of files (5-6) and then, all of a sudden, player1 or player2 crashes. I can still load midi files but, generally, I have to restart (if I want it to be fully functual again).Another thing: during startup it makes a terrible bzzzz sound that stops afterwards (when used as a mixer, directly to powered speakers.If used through a mixer it's ok. BUT it is supposed to be a mixer as well!!!!).
Anyway, I got the new one and (surprisingly) it has the same bugs. Yes, O.S.1.2 did fix some things for me too (for example the "search" function now on player2 also and searches the whole drive too-very important when you have hundreds of files).
I wish a Ketron engineer reads some of these problems and finally fix something 'cause it's not the cheapest machine in the market.The idea is great but they have to make it work.
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Roland GR-20, Ketron MidjayPro, Nova TC Electronic
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#391871 - 08/15/14 08:06 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: parkerilos]
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1.3 O.S. Hallelujah! ... or not...
I play the arranger so I'll just comment the upgrade on this regard...
Many good things happend, but a really nasty one came by...
Whenever you play a minor7th chord with the 7th played below the root, it will NOT recognize the minor 7th, and it'll play instead the 6th major relative. No matter the settings you tweek, it just doesn't "see" the chord... It did in 1.2.
I am pretty much fed up with this kind of problems... The latest Audya 5 has some bugs too - no need to mention - I know that the Ketron support knows what I'm talking about.
Please, fix this mess! Hire some more techs and give us a decent buggless OS.
Create different OS packages for different players needs... Charge them acordingly, but let us play instead of being stressed about all this matters.
Keep up with your customers!
We've payed you the money you've asked. Don't cheat on us!
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Roland RD700 exp., Ketron Audya5, Ketron MIDJPRO, TC Helicon Harmony-M, EV N/D967, Shure Beta58A, Roland FR4X, Yamaha PSR SX900
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#393627 - 09/23/14 08:52 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: danielbordeiu]
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#395662 - 11/10/14 06:08 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: filipelou]
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Registered: 11/13/13
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Loc: Romania
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Sure it is possible. I assume you did it before for some other arrangers. In case you did, you'll have to save the style with *.pat extension, upload it into the PRO, and it'll convert it into *.kst, prior using it.
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Roland RD700 exp., Ketron Audya5, Ketron MIDJPRO, TC Helicon Harmony-M, EV N/D967, Shure Beta58A, Roland FR4X, Yamaha PSR SX900
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#399948 - 02/26/15 08:57 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: synerjim]
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Registered: 11/13/13
Posts: 105
Loc: Romania
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I'm one of the first owner of MJPro. I bought it because I believe it could be a compact module version of Audya but with better GUI. It's an amazing machine with great potential if the bugs and glitches can be address soon. I'm very happy with the sounds especially the audio drums and of course the very usable styles. I'm also impressed by the touch screen interface and the presence of sliders. My only big complaint is the voicetron which is one of the reason I upgrade from classic Midjay. It's basically not working. You can barely hear the harmonies even at max vol level. The registration won't memorize its setting too. It does not work either with Tune 1000 files or any SMF. Intros are still not memorized on registrations. It would be also nice to have more styles. So as of now I'm still waiting for OS upgrade to address these shortcoming.
Regards
Jimmy Yes Jimmy, it would be nice to have some more styles - maybe some adressing the new musical genders - we could buy them, only if thy were abailable, so to say. And we could really make use of some of the 64MB User RAM sound advertised by Ketron. And we would also benefit if they'd let us "mingle" with the Audio Drum slices from the "DRUM1" track. ...and so on it goes the list of useful things they could do for a more improved Ketron experience. The money we've payed were good, and yet we struggle facing deep silence from them Ketron guys. Strange marketing, I might say.... All the best!
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Roland RD700 exp., Ketron Audya5, Ketron MIDJPRO, TC Helicon Harmony-M, EV N/D967, Shure Beta58A, Roland FR4X, Yamaha PSR SX900
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#400721 - 03/21/15 06:53 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: danielbordeiu]
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Registered: 05/12/14
Posts: 15
Loc: Greece
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Hello everyone!
After months of consideration, I decided to load updates 1.3.1 and 1.3.2. Thnk God, this time the results are good. I tested the machine playing .cgi,.mp3 and midi files using both players(.cgi only on player 1) and it has stopped crashing! At last, the pause and play/stop buttons work correctly (one exception: when player 2 active and you try to play a video file(.flv, .mp4...) on player 1. Then player 2 stops reproduction immediately).
Anyway, it seems to me that gradually Ketron tries to make a better(stable) O.S. I hope they fix these registration problems soon, when they do, the midjay will be a quite professional solution, at last!
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Roland GR-20, Ketron MidjayPro, Nova TC Electronic
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#400810 - 03/24/15 05:29 PM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: Jerry T]
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Registered: 11/13/13
Posts: 105
Loc: Romania
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I jumped in bed with MIDJPRO after a 8 years long relationship with the first model of the MIDJAY. Not the PLUS.
It appealed to me greatly because it sounded so much better compared to everything I've played using the older MJ.
BUT:
There's a lot of balast they putted into it - that leading to a high price... Fancy DJ things which probably 5% of the users may benefit from.
It's been a 3 months challange to set up the MIDJ PRO with all the styles I've been previously using. The internal styles are more than great, but soo few.... At the price we'd paid for it, I would expected it to be well equipped with a much larger style library... But no.
And so I went back converting styles, rearranging drum notes, and changing instruments, attempting to give a new life to the old Ketron styles.
After 13 months, it is still an ongoing process. I am almost there.
My conclusion?
Regarding your matter, if you are satisfied with your MJ Plus, DO NOT ENGAGE with the PRO. It will eat your heart out, your nerves, and your time to an extent that you'll start regretting the decision of buying it.
I personally know such cases.
So, unless you are commited to painful and hard work, please, enjoy your MJ Plus.
Ketron MIDJPRO is nothing like Audya compared in styles library, ease of programming and adjusting styles. I have them both, so I speak from my personal experience.
My personal understanding of the way Ketron is doing business with us, is that they lack the practical knowledges regarding the mainly use of MIDJPRO.
Or they suck at marketing.
Or they do not respect their clients, like Yamaha or Korg do. Roland is out of question for some time...
Take a deep breath, be honest to yourself, and decide consequently. Now you know the truth.
Or maybe it's just me...
This is an open debate, and I'll be more than satisfied to read Ketron's point of view, right here!
P.S.
Ketron will NOT take any action to improve their customer's support or upgrading their products up to their customer's expectations. They just can't. I guess it's a big hat to wear nowadays...
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Roland RD700 exp., Ketron Audya5, Ketron MIDJPRO, TC Helicon Harmony-M, EV N/D967, Shure Beta58A, Roland FR4X, Yamaha PSR SX900
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#401543 - 04/19/15 12:08 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: Jerry T]
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Registered: 10/27/03
Posts: 526
Loc: CA
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Sorry guys I've been just busy with work and recently with my ailing mother.
Good news about the MJPro. Again Ketron wins as it now became my main instrument after getting used to it, learning how to set the registrations and other parameters. I did able to make the voicetron works with smfs and it sounds great! The more I listen to the styles, the more I become unsatisfied with my other brand keyboards. The drums, strings and wind instruments are outstanding. I love the physical sliders and touch screen. I'm now using it with a Korg micro 61 key controller. This is the smallest, most compact and lightest setup I ever got. I can carry everything in a backpack, a Bose Compact on one hand and the keyboard stand in another hand without any cart or dolly.
I'm looking for updates to further imrovements, add new SD7 features such as the synth control features. I'm looking forward for more styles too. Kudos to Ketron and AJ.
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Jim
SD90,Korg I3, KMA Liverpool,TC Helicon Play Electric, Fender Sonoran Guitar, vArranger, Bose S1 Pros, Bose L1 Compact, Aiwa Exos-9
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#401610 - 04/20/15 11:40 PM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 10/27/03
Posts: 526
Loc: CA
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Don, for smfs, you need to insert the voicetron to specific track that provides the harmony (track 5 in case of Tunes 1000 smfs) and save the smf. In PA900, you need to use registration to set the harmonization type with the smf as you know. So imo it's easier to do that in MJPro. With style playing, you can setup the voicetron to trigger on different variations and save it as registration. I found this versatile, however it still buggy as it's not consistent in memorizing the voicetron setup. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.
The PA has many harmony presets in style playing while in MJPro it has only one (3 part voice). I'm hoping Ketron will add harmony types. Without tweaking, I found the MJPro has more punch in vocal processing. MJPro has virtual switch (touch screen) to turn on/off the effects/harmony while the PA has physical switch, so it's just a matter of getting used to. Hope this helps.
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Jim
SD90,Korg I3, KMA Liverpool,TC Helicon Play Electric, Fender Sonoran Guitar, vArranger, Bose S1 Pros, Bose L1 Compact, Aiwa Exos-9
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#401611 - 04/20/15 11:44 PM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: Impuls]
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Registered: 10/27/03
Posts: 526
Loc: CA
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Impuls, are these styles compatible with MJPro? In my recollection, Midjay styles are not compatible with MJPro due to audio drums and format.
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SD90,Korg I3, KMA Liverpool,TC Helicon Play Electric, Fender Sonoran Guitar, vArranger, Bose S1 Pros, Bose L1 Compact, Aiwa Exos-9
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#412688 - 12/07/15 06:36 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 11/13/13
Posts: 105
Loc: Romania
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Talking 'bout the new O.S. update -yet another disappointment. It's even worse than before: - nearly 40% of my Registrations does not "remember" the Right Hand Voices, - the module randomly freezes, - randomly restarts, - the lock tempo STILL does not work, - still NO User Ram Sound, - poorely designed DISPLAY SKINS, - no Display Contrast function and the list goes on and on and on... It can be lack of skills, at the programmer's end... such a bad coding... See and hear for yourselfhow messy it is: another O.S. - another disappointment...
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Roland RD700 exp., Ketron Audya5, Ketron MIDJPRO, TC Helicon Harmony-M, EV N/D967, Shure Beta58A, Roland FR4X, Yamaha PSR SX900
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#426693 - 10/05/16 08:26 AM
Re: Owner of MIDJPRO!
[Re: midisqueeze]
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Registered: 09/21/16
Posts: 33
Loc: New York
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Update on my problem with MidJpro I purchased from AJ last November (2015). Ketron used (hopefully they don't anymore) a plastic coated (except for the two ends) copper staple shaped clip about 1/4 inch each on all three sides to secure the mother board on the MidJPro. In my case, at least one clip came loose and presumably was the cause of the unit short circuiting/freezing up and automatically rebooting. The mother board, still under warranty, was replaced and the clips were removed and screws were used instead to secure the board. Even had AJ install the Gold Package . Will continue to monitor, but has been stable for three days while playing at home about 2-3 hours a day (was freezing at least once every 2 hours before). Gig Saturday will better tell the tale but my confidence level is growing each day. Been playing accordion practically all my life. (THAT'S ME ON THE AJAMSONIC ACCORDION DEMO - UNCLE DAVE'S TWIN) Eventually I purchased a Ketron X4 over 15 years ago in June 2000. That was a very reliable unit, but was I was attracted to the smaller, lighter MidJpro with audio drums, dynamite styles, touch screen, Midi/.mp3/.kar files, the Player 1 & 2 which allows me to quickly go from one song into another, option for Karaoke monitor, etc. and for all that, I am NOT disappointed. ALL THAT BEING SAID, LET ME ALSO SAY AJ PROVIDES ONE OF THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE AND SUPPORTIVE PLATFORMS I HAVE EVER EXPERIENCED IN ADDITION TO BEING A MOST HOSPITABLE AND ETHICAL GENTLEMAN. TOO BAD MIDJPRO HAS THESE GLITCHES, BUT FORTUNATELY THERE IS AJ. IT'S JUST TOO BAD HE LIVES 3 1/2 HOURS AWAY.
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