Personally, I thing intellectual discussions between parties whose views are so diametrically opposed to each other are futile ... neither party is going to 'give in' to the other ... What I can't understand though, is why only the 'believers' are fanatical? Based on many of the comments, are not both sides 'fanatical' (marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion Webster) in their beliefs?



chas ... why just Christianity??? ... many religions believe in an afterlife ...
reminds me of a Kenny Chesney song "Everybody wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to go now" but then you don't 'do' country music so you probably wouldn't know that one ... and also, based on this thread, Kenny is SO wrong about 'everybody wanting to go' - people can't want to go to a place they don't believe in can they

We are doing/feeling real good ... my wife has been a "Pampered Chef" consultant for a few years and just reached the title of Director, so we leave Thursday for Louisville KY for a national conference at which she and other new Directors will be recognized ...
The 'jam' at Gary's was a BLAST !!! ...
be well ...