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#369377 - 07/20/13 09:42 PM
Re: What Korg has to do to get me back ...
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Col, That's a useable scenario ... much like what I was using with my s-950 and Voicevive PlayGTX. I want to NOT carry a separate harmonizer. I want fast, neat, small, light and awesome. Is that too much? (and thanx for the nod, Tony!) I've had issues with compatibility with the Yamaha and outboard TC products .... I think there is rogue information pumping into the TC and forces lock-ups every now and then. I tried the Harmony-M (that got rave reviews from many zoners), but as a RH, follow my chords unit - it behaves very poorly. It only works well in chord mode, triggered from the arranger, and that's not the way I use it best. I need to send it my right hand info ... the search continues!
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#369399 - 07/21/13 11:34 AM
Re: What Korg has to do to get me back ...
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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UD, what midi transmit did you have the upper set to, and want was the receive channel on the Harm-M? Also you must set the upper sections to "both" under style play Track Controls. Factory default is internal only. If you are not getting the correct harmony on the M, it is getting no midi note data (as determined by the tiny flashing LED next to the input knob). My guess is the PA was not set to be transmitting there are two places it needs to be set, the Track Controls as above and in the Global section. Further it needs to be set for BOTH style mode, and for song mode. As each mode can have a different method. EG for style you may have the upper to external and in song mode have it set to internal. What I used to do was actually drive the Harm M from Upper 3, with no PA sound patch and the volume at 0. As the Harm M also responds to patch changes, you can also set (via MSB/LSB and Patch #) this as the Upper 3 patch so that when the song/style is loaded it sends the patch set for upper 3 to the Harm M (assuming it is saved to the STS of course, and uppper 3 is set to either external or both. I just had it set to external. Dennis PS: I suspect even more that one of the two section setups has not been done correctly if the Harm M responds well from the arranger section, which by OS default is set to transmit. The Harm M by default is set to receive on channel 1, however it can bet set to any channel. That is another thing to check - the receiving channel on the Harm M (IIRC, the M does not have Midi OMNI Rx mode) as it may have inadvertently been set to something other than the channel (I assume you are using Upper 1?) assigned to upper 1, which means it is getting note data, just not the correct data
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#369400 - 07/21/13 11:53 AM
Re: What Korg has to do to get me back ...
[Re: Saswick]
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Registered: 01/28/05
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I was going to change my Pa600 and my VLT 1 for the Pa900 but was disappointed that the VH in the Pa900 was the old version not the one from the Pa3x so I opted for above set up, a few more cables but it works very well.
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Col Not that I don't believe that, but is there a documented prove that the harmonizer is the old generation? For sure it's not the full flagged vocalist that pa3x has, but Pa900 could very well be a simpler version, less voices, less effects, but still same quality. Is there a solid argument against this possibility other than assumtion?
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#369404 - 07/21/13 05:15 PM
Re: What Korg has to do to get me back ...
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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For the PSR-S950 and all other Yamaha keyboards, the keyboard's MIDI must be set to "KBD & Style" which is accessed via Function/MIDI. This allows the Harmony-M to recognize all chords played on the keyboard. Now, if UD is not using the lower (style) to trigger the Harmony-M, then in the Mic setting section, the Vocal Harmony control under the KBD column must be set to Upper in order to send the correct MIDI information to the Harmony-M. If I recall correctly, UD always triggers his vocal harmonies with his right hand chording. Cheers, Gary
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#369409 - 07/21/13 11:03 PM
Re: What Korg has to do to get me back ...
[Re: adimatis]
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I was going to change my Pa600 and my VLT 1 for the Pa900 but was disappointed that the VH in the Pa900 was the old version not the one from the Pa3x so I opted for above set up, a few more cables but it works very well.
Regards
Col Not that I don't believe that, but is there a documented prove that the harmonizer is the old generation? For sure it's not the full flagged vocalist that pa3x has, but Pa900 could very well be a simpler version, less voices, less effects, but still same quality. Is there a solid argument against this possibility other than assumtion? Check the manual for both keyboards, the VH in the Pa900 is exactly the same as the Pa800/Pa2x. Regards Col
Edited by Saswick (07/21/13 11:04 PM)
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#369864 - 08/03/13 09:03 AM
Re: What Korg has to do to get me back ...
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 12800
Loc: Penn Yan, NY
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Well, apparently, all Korg needed to do was put speakers and a TC harmonizer in the unit and they got me! I've had the PA900 on the stand for about an hour and I'm trying to get to it as much as I can, but we're also trying to entertain 8 1st graders at a pool party in what looks like a crappy, rainy dy! Grrrrrr .... Sigh.
First impressions: key feel - excellent look - a tad cluttered, but easy to adjust to (the 3x is just so perfectly laid out) speakers - not as powerful (at least so far) as the Yamaha, but I think with EQ and balancing it may improve. Seems quiet at first tones: AWESOME features: almost nothing is missing - the 3x sliders are easy enough to use in the touch screen, great C/S, lyric display, CD-G file readout etc screen: seems easier and more responsive with less pressure than the 3x - like it size/weight - BEAUTIFUL - sleek, attractive (still wish it was black, but the silver is cool) mic - it's not the crystal clear high end sound that the 3x has, but that may just be the speakers settings (comp, eq, etc) ... I'll hook up to PA later today
Overall - I think it's a winner. The basic design is very familiar, and it will go on it's maiden voyage to the Jersey Shore this Monday. I'll have LOTS to tell on Wednesday when I return!
Stay tuned ..........
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#369882 - 08/03/13 01:50 PM
Re: What Korg has to do to get me back ...
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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Registered: 08/24/04
Posts: 782
Loc: N Fort Myers, FL, USA
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Thanks, Dave, disappointing to hear that about the speakers, I was hoping for better.
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#369898 - 08/04/13 06:49 AM
Re: What Korg has to do to get me back ...
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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Registered: 08/24/04
Posts: 782
Loc: N Fort Myers, FL, USA
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Dave, have you installed the OS release 1.01? there were some bug fixes in that apparently.
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#369908 - 08/04/13 12:43 PM
Re: What Korg has to do to get me back ...
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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Registered: 08/24/04
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Loc: N Fort Myers, FL, USA
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If "the redhead" is a loved one, congratulations on your priorities!
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#369939 - 08/05/13 06:57 AM
Re: What Korg has to do to get me back ...
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15563
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Dave, Don't let Fran babysit your Yamaha - it will morph into some kind of Roland, or something else. He may tell you it's the same keyboard you left with him, but be careful - Remember, it's Fran! Gary
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#369968 - 08/05/13 12:18 PM
Re: What Korg has to do to get me back ...
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 12800
Loc: Penn Yan, NY
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*** Small glimmer of sonic light at the end of my tunnel - I ruled out the speakers, because I put a small mixer into the system in the direct (dry) inputs and the signal was fine. That means that the issue is the vocal processing unit, itself. This is NOT good news, but may provide a workaround. There is a dynamics processor in the mic chain that is far too noisy to be useable at this time. I need to be fair and play with levels, and different mics before I write the obit, but from the hours of tests I've run so far - I believe that this is the enemy area. When I turn off the dynamics processor (compressor/gate) the signal is too weak to get a proper blend, as soon as I turn it to an effective level ... there's the noise. This is the most sensitive of all built-in vocal processors I ever used. As soon as I push a key on the instrument - the gate opens up and the hiss is back ... even before I sing a note. I know how tricky compressors and gates can be, but I'm very tech savvy, and have used these devices for years and years, so I'm bold enough to say, this is NOT user error. Any other 900 owners feel this way? Am I alone in this quest for quiet, solid, beautiful vocal sound from a built-in unit? Help me Obi Wans ... you're my only hope. In three hours, I'll be on the job with this hissy beast, so look for reviews after midnight EST US.
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#369976 - 08/05/13 01:47 PM
Re: What Korg has to do to get me back ...
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
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*** Small glimmer of sonic light at the end of my tunnel - I ruled out the speakers, because I put a small mixer into the system in the direct (dry) inputs and the signal was fine. That means that the issue is the vocal processing unit, itself. This is NOT good news, but may provide a workaround. There is a dynamics processor in the mic chain that is far too noisy to be useable at this time. I need to be fair and play with levels, and different mics before I write the obit, but from the hours of tests I've run so far - I believe that this is the enemy area. When I turn off the dynamics processor (compressor/gate) the signal is too weak to get a proper blend, as soon as I turn it to an effective level ... there's the noise. This is the most sensitive of all built-in vocal processors I ever used. As soon as I push a key on the instrument - the gate opens up and the hiss is back ... even before I sing a note. I know how tricky compressors and gates can be, but I'm very tech savvy, and have used these devices for years and years, so I'm bold enough to say, this is NOT user error. Any other 900 owners feel this way? Am I alone in this quest for quiet, solid, beautiful vocal sound from a built-in unit? Help me Obi Wans ... you're my only hope. In three hours, I'll be on the job with this hissy beast, so look for reviews after midnight EST US. does sweetwater have a 30 day return policy in effect?..
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#369978 - 08/05/13 02:45 PM
Re: What Korg has to do to get me back ...
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 08/24/04
Posts: 782
Loc: N Fort Myers, FL, USA
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Wow, it's hard to believe that Korg has put out a product with that problem. The mic input sounds unusable. I don't get mine until tomorrow, and will let you know how I get on.
Try posting the problem on the Korg Pa900 forum site, I know Paolo Trammonini from Korg Italy reads those posts.
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