Originally posted by to the genesys:
INTEGRATION INTEGRATION INTEGRATION
That is what a lot of people don’t seem to get with these newer arrangers. To say that one already has a computer, VSTs, an mp3 player, a CD player so there is no need for a Mediastation, shows that the concept of the mediastation is not understood.
Sure I have a computer, VSTs an MP3 player an arranger all separate. I really don’t want to carry all of them on a gig. What the mediastation and now the new Ketron hope to do is to eliminate having to carry a lot of things on a gig.
If you can use sounds from almost any source (VSTs, samples) in a style or as a right or left hand part all on one keyboard, that is a major improvement from having to carry an arranger, a computer on a gig an trying to get that set-up to work.
You can also use audio sound clips to enhance the gig. And now with the new Ketron, you can INTEGRATE audio loops in to a style. Also, some of these newer arranger are getting to the place where you can play other manufacturers styles on their keyboard.
If I use a VST in a recording and I want to perform the song at a gig, the keyboard that allows me to play VSTs on an arranger is good.
If the value of an arranger is just the OTB styles, then the Tyros 2, G70 and PA1X, Genesys are over priced.
Because I could bet you that if you get a real good arranger player and entertainer, and give him one night on a Tyros 2 and another night on a Radio shack keyboard, the reaction from the audience to the styles would be the same.
The good keyboard/arranger players really do not need stellar OTB styles. They have the knowledge and skills to make the styles their own and work for them on stage. If people are so dependent on OTB styles on an arranger then they probably are not as proficient on a keyboard as they claim to be. I know that may sound harsh but there is no other reason for the constant crying for perfect factory styles.
If I had a mediastation, I would not upload a demo because no matter what is done there does not appear to be a real effort to understand the concept of these newer high-end arrangers.
To integrate ALL these features, FIRST you have to start with a great arranger. THEN you integrate the other stuff. As I said, a world class DAW grafted onto a poor arranger is no bargain.
And a poor arranger is one that comes with poor styles, poor sounds, and makes you make all your own. Purists may disagree, but short of a couple of demonstrators and guys that do NOT use an arranger for a general purpose gigs, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON here admits to ONLY using self-created styles.
In fact, the quality of the OOTB styles, and the sounds they use are the primary topic for discussion here, and the primary reason anyone chooses one arranger over another. Of course, this is only the real world, NOT that fantasy place Dom and Alfa live in, where everyone only uses self-made styles, is incredibly talented at creating new styles, and has a world-class sampling and sequencing lab at their disposal.
That's a real good example of a good entertainer needing only a Radio Shack arranger to entertain. So if this is true, why on earth would he spend even MORE for an MS? According to you, it makes no difference. PLEASE.....
First of all, Genesys, do you actually have an MS? If not, according to Dom and others that do, you are in no better position to praise it than we are to damn it. Somehow, magically, posted specs and demos mean nothing unless you actually OWN one (good marketing hype, there!). Sick demos of lame styles only go to show how much better YOU could make it, NOT how poor it actually is.... (Bush could sure use these guys right about now.....!)
Apparently, the lamer the demo, the more it proves how good the MS is.... Dom needs to hire me. I bet with considerable effort, I could actually make something that sounded even WORSE! Sales will go through the roof! Yamaha's board of directors will commit seppuku! Linux will buy out Microsoft! Arab and Jew will dance in the streets together! The lamb will lie down with the lion!
And trust me, the first thing I EVER hear out of the MS that actually lives up to the hype, I will GLADLY be the first to say it (and put my order in). I have nothing against the MS, only its' continued unfulfilled promise. OK, I take that back. I need to hear maybe a hundred styles that rock me (like I would get out of any other TOTL arranger) and THEN I'll take it back!
Strange that the guys that DON'T own an MS are the ones coming to it's defense, but mostly deafening silence from those that DO..... Hmmmmmm.......
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