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Originally posted by to the genesys:
If the greatness of an arranger is determined by the factory styles out of the box, then we have gone back in terms of music skill level and technology.
I expect that from a low level Casio but not a high-end arranger.

How lazy are people to want to turn on a keyboard and play with a glorified midi player (that is all a style is) and don’t personalize the style?

The beauty of an arranger is that you don’t have to play a song exactly the way it sounds on the recording.

I would say that if you are using more than 20 styles on a 2 hour gig, then you haven’t figured the secret of an arranger.

If the people who want Out of the box styles with no ability to personalize the style, then maybe they should think about playing midi files on their gigs.

Give me a few good styles and the capability to personalize the styles and to make my own, and I along with most professional arranger players would take that over a keyboard filled with glorified midi files.

Specifically about the new Ketron, With all the new advances of that keyboard, if the keyboard does not have the greatest factory styles OTB but has a lot of features to enhance and personalize ones performance on a gig I suppose the ones who are fighting arranger technology would not consider it an arranger?



That is insulting to anyone that uses a modern TOTL arranger. ALL of the major's arrangers give you EXTENSIVE abilities to personalize the style. But they make it so you don't HAVE to. Unfortunately, the MS is going to make you HAVE to tweak extensively, just to get up to the quality of a PSR3k, yet alone a T2! Plenty of us tweak the factory styles in our T2's and G70's. But most of us realize that if the style is a dog in the first place, you are just t*rd polishing. It's a LOT easier to tweak a great style than a bad one.

And, if you CAN make the MS sound that good, why in heaven's name have Lionstracs not already done it? If creating a style library is SO difficult, and so expensive that they can't afford to do it, how on earth do they expect the majority of their customers to have skills they don't possess themselves...? If the manufacturer can't realize the potential of their own product, what right do they have to demand that we DO..?

The sad thing is, we DO 'get it'. We DO realize what the 'potential' is. We just can't HEAR IT....!

The next thing I want to hear is a style demo that blows me away. Don't bother posting to tell me about the potential. Don't bother posting to tell me how much all the other guy's arranger suck because they are 'closed'. Don't bother posting to tell me I just don't understand the MS.

Either post something that rivals the majors, or just go away until you can.....
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