Originally posted by squeak_D:
Diki,
Just because the demos of the MS may be less than stellar doesn't mean the board's not capable of producing good quality. Lionstracs is a small company. There's the good and bad. The most obvious is Dom doesn't have the financial resources of the big three, so a team of demo production specialists may not be within his reach due to cost. I think the demos out there at least give an "idea" of what the units can do, and that's the whole purpose of a demo. It's to give an idea of the unit can do. Again the quality of that "idea" rests heavily on available funds.
However with the big 3 you'll never get the level of customer service as you do from Dom. How many keyboard companies have the CEO problem sovling directly with the customer? How many CEO's show up at your door step to help (as Dom has done).
The MS is an awesome unit, and I think the biggest hold back for it in the arranger community is the word "computer". The MS is basically a killer midi controller built around a computer. The MS has an indepth operating system and is capable of doing things that would put closed system arrangers to shame. However these features aren't known because arranger buyers are commmonly looking for the "out of box" type unit. Often IMO I find that arranger players don't want to fiddle with indepth editing and a "computer like" operation system. Sometimes saying the word "midi" here is like yelling FIRE in a crowded room 
I think that "out of the box" expectation is a definitive line between the arranger player and synth player. Synth players like to "program", and "edit" until our fingers can't take it no more Arranger players IMO often look for the "instant gratification" and there's nothing wrong with that either. Just two different sides of the music world of performers really.But squeak.... the MS is being marketed as an ARRANGER. Domenik is posting here, not on the workstation forum (well, maybe he is, I don't go there! But this is what is demoed on HIS site, NOT primarily it's workstation capabilities).
This is an awfully expensive arranger with very few good styles. All I am saying is, will the people who claim we just don't 'get it' PLEASE post something that proves that they do.....
It's kind of like saying that a Cray supercomputer has limitless possibilities, but for all but the world's top programmers, you can't even surf the web or write an email on it without first writing the entire program....!
For it's non-arranger functions, most of us already have a computer already capable of doing that. So why pay so much for a crippled arranger? Domenik just simply refuses to understand the arranger market. It is styles, styles, styles, THEN features. His development path seems to be features, features, features, then MAYBE styles. No.... let's add one more 'feature' - nobody needs good styles, they are all world class style developers. Let them roll their own.
Squeak, be honest. When you go out and gig, how many of the styles you use did you write completely by yourself? Imagine having to write all the ones you DO use before you could even gig. Not a pleasant thought. And you are one of the few real 'tweakheads' here. 99% of us won't touch an arranger with a barge-pole if we had to write all our own styles (to sound as good as a T2 comes out of the box). Maybe Dom is willing to show up on our doorsteps and program some T2-beating styles. Now THAT would be customer service....!
Domenik had better decide if he wants to make an arranger, or a workstation, and soon. Either quit making new 'features' and spend an entire year of R&D money on styles ALONE, give up on the thought that there are many potential customers willing to 'roll their own', or move over to the workstation forum, and market the MS as it really IS.... a very capable workstation with some half-baked styles in for quick songwriting.
We don't want 'potentiality', we want 'reality'!
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