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#435163 - 07/28/17 02:04 PM Re: Ketron SD-9 Pro [Re: Keeman]
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Try changing chords .... a little quicker as you play styles. Notice how much 'better' the bass changes especially with 'jazz' chords? No new features.

Originally Posted By Keeman
Hi AJ,
Yes they (you) are listening.
But here we have to suggest, what has changed realy.
Can you tell us what this 'management' update means.
I can't see / hear any difference on my SD9 ?.

My Regards,
Kees from Holland.
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#435181 - 07/29/17 03:41 AM Re: Ketron SD-9 Pro [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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AJ, i have to say, i am inpressed, not only about this first update, but also about the rock stable performance i had playing the SD9 for 2 hours.. it was a delight. Also i read trough themanuall from a to z and discovered some nice things like sidechaining. Now i am windering if its possible to add thechain of effects for the external guitar to the solo voices?

The new pads feature is incredible.. its not eveything it could have been.. but allready much more then i expected. With a few minir changes it will be perfect and have set the future for all arrangers. I dearly hope they will keep adding more features, and inproving theSD9 dor the future

If they ever decide to sell an SD9 module i am sold...
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#435187 - 07/29/17 06:31 AM Re: Ketron SD-9 Pro [Re: nightowl]
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AJ, I too have been reading the manual and wow! One suggestion. Many of the manual parts really need a very good "how to" video. Also, so far the youtube videos I have found need to be redone in English and other languages.

Just my opinion,
Deane

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#435204 - 07/29/17 11:07 AM Re: Ketron SD-9 Pro [Re: hammer]
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Originally Posted By hammer
AJ, I too have been reading the manual and wow! One suggestion. Many of the manual parts really need a very good "how to" video. Also, so far the youtube videos I have found need to be redone in English and other languages.

Just my opinion,
Deane


On top of that, most of the italian how to video's are below average quallity..

I rmemeber all the how to video' s AJ made for the SD7 amd Ketron, i hope to see more of those.

There should also be some fresh demo video's, they video's of KetronUK are well played and very good, but they are very limited in musical style, Ketron seems to aim to pull people of the Tyros bandwagon. But the SD9 is much more then just an arranger, if promoted in the right way.


Edited by Bachus (07/29/17 11:09 AM)
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#435466 - 08/02/17 02:10 PM Re: Ketron SD-9 Pro [Re: nightowl]
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Now after a several gigs with the SD9 on a big PA system,i found some things,

1.The balance(volume) between the styles and the right voices,the styles are way to loud or the presetvoices are to silent.
2.The styles have not the same volume,some to hard,other to soft
3.The presetvoices exact the same,some are way to soft.
4.When playing,the midisettings freeze,turn of the Sd9 and it's back.
5.Untiil now 2times freeze(worst nightmare of a musician)
6.The Sd9,Bass group,in vieuw i must turn it 50% down,way to hard,example babybass(very deep)120 volume back to 60 and so on with all the basses.
6.When reg button is on,the data wheel does not work,turn of the reg button and the wheel is responding.
7.Edit disk,delete/copy/past,after severel times touching the screen it finaly works,sometimes i must turn of the Sd9 and on,and it works.
8.Eq,the high freq only to 5880hz?
When you play at home with headphone it's oke,but when you hook it on a big PA system,totaly out of balance.(Bass 50/60/80 hz,
High,i will hear 8 to 12 khz and mix,is not present)

So now it is at home and i try to find a balance between the styles and voices and hopely find a mix between the volumes.

So Ketron,LOOK AT THE BALANCE BETWEEN THE STYLES/VOICES

It's a little bit frustrating constantly go back in the vieuw and change the volume between voices/bass/etc.


Edited by audyaplayer (08/02/17 02:20 PM)

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#435497 - 08/02/17 10:05 PM Re: Ketron SD-9 Pro [Re: audyaplayer]
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Oh no!!!

Most will grab this info and once again run away with it. I am AMAZED at how little attention the SD9 gets on the main forum and this will not help at all.

Here we go again... Ketron, why do you keep on shooting yourself in the foot like this? You produce such AMAZING products - but you have such a bad reputation...
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#435501 - 08/03/17 02:28 AM Re: Ketron SD-9 Pro [Re: audyaplayer]
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Originally Posted By audyaplayer
Now after a several gigs with the SD9 on a big PA system,i found some things,

1.The balance(volume) between the styles and the right voices,the styles are way to loud or the presetvoices are to silent.
2.The styles have not the same volume,some to hard,other to soft
3.The presetvoices exact the same,some are way to soft.
4.When playing,the midisettings freeze,turn of the Sd9 and it's back.
5.Untiil now 2times freeze(worst nightmare of a musician)
6.The Sd9,Bass group,in vieuw i must turn it 50% down,way to hard,example babybass(very deep)120 volume back to 60 and so on with all the basses.
6.When reg button is on,the data wheel does not work,turn of the reg button and the wheel is responding.
7.Edit disk,delete/copy/past,after severel times touching the screen it finaly works,sometimes i must turn of the Sd9 and on,and it works.
8.Eq,the high freq only to 5880hz?
When you play at home with headphone it's oke,but when you hook it on a big PA system,totaly out of balance.(Bass 50/60/80 hz,
High,i will hear 8 to 12 khz and mix,is not present)

So now it is at home and i try to find a balance between the styles and voices and hopely find a mix between the volumes.

So Ketron,LOOK AT THE BALANCE BETWEEN THE STYLES/VOICES

It's a little bit frustrating constantly go back in the vieuw and change the volume between voices/bass/etc.


Thats a risk when buying a newly released product, not just Ketron, but any company.. i myself allways wait atleast 6 months before buying a new product after its release.. i even did so with the Tyros5.

Make sure the AJ knows about these bugs, he has a direct line to Ketron Italy


Edited by Bachus (08/03/17 02:28 AM)
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#435504 - 08/03/17 06:33 AM Re: Ketron SD-9 Pro [Re: nightowl]
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I know there have been OS issues with various Ketron products. I often wonder what the user is doing to create the problem. For instance, when I got my SD7 I started downloading and auditioning legacy styles from various sites. Many of these styles had been converted from other keyboards like Korg, Tecnics or Yamaha. About 10% of these styles would freeze up my SD7 while I auditioned them so I deleted them and moved on. That said, not a single factory style has ever caused any issues at all. I also found a few midi files that would cause a problem but not all of them. So far I have found no MP3 files that were a problem.

However, I have agree about the balance of sounds in styles. Ketron does a horrible job at determining correct sound balance.

Deane

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#435520 - 08/03/17 10:10 AM Re: Ketron SD-9 Pro [Re: audyaplayer]
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Friends,

Due to the nature and fact that sound can be very subjective, the balance between voices within a style and the entire style versus lead/right voices doesn't really have a fixed answer/solution.

When AUDYA was released, we at KETRON USA felt exactly the same way (to some extent like AudyaPlayer below) and this (along with other factors) gave birth to the AJAMSONIC development. Those who have purchased the KETRON SD9 PRO AJAMSONIC version won't have to worry about these reported balance differences and others because they will already be taken care of prior to shipping to our customers (hence the slight delay our USA customers will encounter on SD9 Pro deliveries once we get them here at the lab), as we go through each unit (as we did with previous products) before shipping.

Going through each style and voice is a very meticulous process we at AJAM don't think our customers have to go through such, so we do it for them as has been the case on all our previous product and hence the satisfactory results our customers have grown to love and appreciate and share with many on this forum and others too. Deane (for an example) has a KETRON SD7 AJAMSONIC keyboard (make that 2). Compare this to a standard SD7 and he can tell you it is night and day (and so can many others on this and other social media outlets).

Having said that - the style and voice balance levels from KETRON ITALY are what KETRON ITALY see as standard. The style and voice balance level from KETRON USA/AJAM are what we see as standard (which is why we do not alter the factory settings but create ours in user location for customers who will prefer one or the other ... or both depending on what type of gig they are performing at). Regardless of who balances a style or voice, there will be end users who will still have the need to further balance and tweak them ... hence the provision of such tools directly on the SD9 Pro.

Another area of debate could be the 4 lead voices assigned to styles. At AJAM, we re-voice these to suit the style based on popular tunes such a style was used in. E.g. A Big Band style would have lead voices such as Piano, Vibes, Strings and Sax because these are the 'famous' solo voices used for such style of music ... and not Elec Piano, Banjo ... etc as maybe the preference set by the factory. Again, remember, you have both options to choose from with the AJAMSONIC upgrade installed in your unit.

FRANK (@ AUDIOWORKS) currently has an SD9 Pro on display. Feel free to contact him and ask if he is experiencing these same issues listed below. This unit has the latest OS 1.2 (AudyaPlayer ... please make sure you update your SD9 Pro to the latest OS now on the Ketron Website since a few sounds and styles were further tweaked & balanced in this OS release based on some of our observations and recommendations here at KETRON USA)!

Hope although rather lengthy, this explains some of the points raised below?

Thanks,



Originally Posted By audyaplayer
Now after a several gigs with the SD9 on a big PA system,i found some things,

1.The balance(volume) between the styles and the right voices,the styles are way to loud or the presetvoices are to silent.
2.The styles have not the same volume,some to hard,other to soft
3.The presetvoices exact the same,some are way to soft.
4.When playing,the midisettings freeze,turn of the Sd9 and it's back.
5.Untiil now 2times freeze(worst nightmare of a musician)
6.The Sd9,Bass group,in vieuw i must turn it 50% down,way to hard,example babybass(very deep)120 volume back to 60 and so on with all the basses.
6.When reg button is on,the data wheel does not work,turn of the reg button and the wheel is responding.
7.Edit disk,delete/copy/past,after severel times touching the screen it finaly works,sometimes i must turn of the Sd9 and on,and it works.
8.Eq,the high freq only to 5880hz?
When you play at home with headphone it's oke,but when you hook it on a big PA system,totaly out of balance.(Bass 50/60/80 hz,
High,i will hear 8 to 12 khz and mix,is not present)

So now it is at home and i try to find a balance between the styles and voices and hopely find a mix between the volumes.

So Ketron,LOOK AT THE BALANCE BETWEEN THE STYLES/VOICES

It's a little bit frustrating constantly go back in the vieuw and change the volume between voices/bass/etc.
_________________________
[KETRON - USA]
Design Engineer & Product Specialist.
www.KetronAmerica.com

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#435534 - 08/03/17 12:59 PM Re: Ketron SD-9 Pro [Re: nightowl]
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Posts: 220
Loc: Holland
Thanks AJ for your answer,yes i had your Ajamsonic in my Audya and the problem was solved,everything was nice in balance,
It was a long day but i think my SD9 is now better in balance,for who has one,the styles are going to 63 in volume,example EDM1 turnes down from 58 to 40,no right voice could you hear with it,and so i have about 70 regs,and all be repared now with 4 right voices to style,also repared(volume issues)Ketron has on the 4 rightvoices at number one always the romantic piano,and yes that's your own choice what you will hear on these settings.
But my friends,on headphone you can listen and it sounds pretty good,but once again,do not mix on a headphone when you play for large crowds,200/1000 people,you hook it on a big PA system,than you got a problem,balance/eq/bass.
But overall i love this Key,it's sounds so live thrue the speakers,and yes i know,there are coming lot's of updates from Ketron,always bin so with all other keys from them.
AJ,i know your AJAMSONIC SSD for the Sd9 makes it complete,nice in balance,bring it fast on the market,
This weekend ,different locations,i'm curious how it's sounds.




Edited by audyaplayer (08/03/17 01:11 PM)

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