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#408669 - 09/22/15 12:42 AM AJ please respond...
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Since you do not reply to either my PMs nor the PMs plus emials of others, I hereby ask you publicly:

Can you assist in providing OS5.2A for the Audya 4 module?

Thanks,

Henni
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#408670 - 09/22/15 01:51 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Hi again AJ,

You really amaze me. More than any one over here, I have up to now:

1. Defended you publicly making myself extremely unpopular.
2. Promoted you in any way I could.
3. Complimented you over & over.
4. Recommended you in any way I could.
5. Advertised you in any way I could.
6. Posted demo after demo of your creations over here.
7. Highlighted your good service over & over.
8. And...and...and...

Now, what I get in return from you is a cold shoulder... Not nice or appropriate at all!

Henni
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#408671 - 09/22/15 01:53 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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#408672 - 09/22/15 01:55 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Time zones has nothing to do with it. Both myself & others sent AJ Pms & emails for nearly a week already without any response whatsoever from him...

Tell me how time zones have any effect on this or are you a week behind us?

Do you know how hard I tried to get this thread up? Every time I tried I was informed that this topic already exists. No matter how I tried to change the header or the contents. Tell me this has anything to do with time zones! But off course you won't believe me...
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#408673 - 09/22/15 03:41 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Maybe the guy is busy, maybe he is not home, maybe he some private and personal affairs where he needs to be or a family matter.
But, let's rub it in his face because that will for sure help both parties.
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#408674 - 09/22/15 03:57 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Not rubbing anything. I've always had a good relationship with AJ. However, I find it strange that he does not comment on this Audya OS topic which has now been running over here for awhile. If anyone can make a suggestion or get this problem relayed to Ketron themselves, it is him.

This is a serious problem for us users & not just another nitty gritty thing. I have no other contact to the factory but through AJ & therefor I'd like for him to get involved in this topic/problem. Now I have a friend with an Aydya 4 module & I'm desperately trying to get a copy of the last good working OS for his unit. Amongst our users we already have copies for the Audya 76 & Audya 5 which most are running on their units as we speak.

I'm not used to AJ ignoring me, but this time it really seems like he is. He has commented on various other posts/problems since this problem has been highlighted over here, so he is aware of it.

AJ, in case you did respond, please note that, as I've informed you in another post, my email has changed to buildtofly@yahoo.com as I'm no longer employed by exxaro.

I have made a test with Ketron's Audya style compiler & found that ANY style created on the Audya itself has a divide by zero problem as well as one or other header problem. Other midi software cannot open these styles as it contains links to audio loops, so I do not have any tools with which to investigate this Ketron induced problem any deeper & I'm anxious to get to the bottom of this. Somehow, OS5.2A ignores this problem, but not so with ANY other OS version to date.

I'm sure if any Tyros 5 owner created something on his/her unit which cannot be shared with other users that they will also become ever so slightly agitated by it, believe me!

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#408677 - 09/22/15 06:18 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Originally Posted By: Henni


1. Defended you publicly making myself extremely unpopular.
2. Promoted you in any way I could.
3. Complimented you over & over.
4. Recommended you in any way I could.
5. Advertised you in any way I could.
6. Posted demo after demo of your creations over here.
7. Highlighted your good service over & over.
8. And...and...and...



Is it me Henni or is this a little bit... gaudy? Cheap? I mean, you made the point before the list.
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#408678 - 09/22/15 06:31 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Mate,

Let's get this straight, for all to see, shall we?

In the quest to copy protect his styles, AJ took all his styles to Ketron to encrypt them so that they will share the same copy protection as the rest of the Ketron styles.

No problem there, as this is no more than fair. After all, it took hard work to create those.

However, which is not fair, is the way in which Ketron implemented it. Now us users are stuck with the result. This should be changed, but it seems that because AJ has invested interest in this, that he would not push this any further.

So, now AJ is giving me a cold shoulder despite what I did to promote his interests before. See it as you may mate, but in my eyes this is unethical.

Do you still remember the rap I took for him from Russ & others because I tried to defend his position on selling Audyas at below dealer prices? No, I bet you dont! Where were you and your opinions when I was busy taking the rap for that? You weren't so bold in your opinions then, were you mate? But here you are talking about being "gaudy" to me NOW...
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#408690 - 09/22/15 10:20 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about, anyway, I am not dening your right to be upset and frustrated, I understand that. But I think to do all those good things for Ketron/AJ and then throw it out as a reproach... Do not feel bad about any good you ever did!... smile
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#408700 - 09/22/15 11:13 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: adimatis]
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No mate,

I highlighted it to show my support for his efforts to date. But now that I need his support for this specific & very serious problem, it seems that it's not coming. AJ <IS> Ketron as far as I'm concerned!

Not to worry though, I'll let it go. Time for the Yamaha again! Like to think that I blew a little life & excitement into the Audya series once more - most of those new styles were created using midnight oil. I would have liked for ALL Audya users to be able to benefit from it, but not so for the Audya 4 series users it seems. Not too much happening in this regard from the factory or other Ketron affiliated resources any more!

Cheers,

Henni
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#408740 - 09/22/15 11:42 PM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Henni

Due to preparations for the workshop we just returned from in Orlando Florida, I was slow in responding to your request and I apologies for that.

I have just sent you OS5.0 for Audya, Audya5 and Audya4 to buildtofly@yahoo.com
Please share with those who request it.

In the future, if I am slow to respond, please assume it's because I am a little tied up first - before assuming I am ignoring you (no benefit in the latter).

Thanks,

AJ
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#408742 - 09/23/15 12:32 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Hi AJ,

Unfortunately I'm looking for OS5.2A for those. OS5.0A has the same problem as OS5.3D. Even if I convert an SD7 style, when I import it with Style Compiler, it already has a divide by zero & header problem. Same goes for ANY other style created on the Audya itself.

OS5.2A is the ONLY recent OS that will allow these 3rd party styles to play correct.

Kind regards,

Henni
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#408743 - 09/23/15 01:02 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Let me check ....
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#408744 - 09/23/15 01:50 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Tx AJ,

I'll really, but really appreciate OS5.2A for the Audya 4 module. I already have the rest.

Regards,

Henni
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#408760 - 09/23/15 09:16 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Henni,

On 2nd thoughts ... I'll just work on fixing the issue in OS 5.3 and having KETRON release a new OS for the AUDYA series ... as going backwards after loading a later release isn't usually 'wise'.

Please stand by patiently....
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#408765 - 09/23/15 11:09 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Hi AJ,

You KNOW how long that will take & just how unlikely this will be. Can I not have OS5.2 for the Audya 4 only in the interim please? Most of the Audya 76 & Audya 5 users already went this route.

Kind regards,

Henni

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#408772 - 09/23/15 01:16 PM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Henni,

I'll forward OS5.2 to you as soon as I can locate a copy, however I will also caution that if you have installed a higher OS (e.g. 5.3) and you choose to go back to OS5.2, you'll be doing so at your own risk.

Once I find it, I will forward it to you.

Thanks,

AJ
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#408773 - 09/23/15 01:23 PM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Hi AJ,

I and many others have already done this safely long ago. No problem there whatsoever. Please note that I only need a copy for the Audya 4 module - I have the rest.

Thank you so much for your help,

Henni
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#408787 - 09/23/15 06:15 PM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Hi AJ,
I would also like 5.2A for my Audya 76. Henni is right, it's great that a working fix is being conducted on 5.3A or B but we know that Rome was not built in a day, so the wait could be looooooong indeed.
Thanks
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#408808 - 09/24/15 08:09 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Robbo]
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Trying to load older firmware into devices can be risky and damage the OS of the (keyboard). If manufacturer safeguards are not in place to automatically not allow installing older versions, then at the user's risk.

Like PC programs, upgrades will generally be no problem, while other programs will automatically remove the older version before loading the upgrade. At least you have the option of completely removing a PC program if you wanted to reinstall an older version safely.

Going to an older OS firmware sometimes may not be able to remove the conflicting info from the latest installed OS and freeze up or damage the devices OS. What would you do then? Luckily it appears the Ketron devices will allow this, but personally I wouldn't risk this on such expensive hardware.

Marcus
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#408809 - 09/24/15 08:20 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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In a worst-case scenario, could a Ketron service brainwash the instrument completely? BTW, I didn't know the firmware and the operating system is different in keyboards too, of course it's a big difference in computers. But here, it's about "OS" - operating system, not firmware. So where's the risk then?

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#408810 - 09/24/15 09:01 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Do you think people reading all this would steer away from Ketron products & future purchases?

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#408814 - 09/24/15 09:47 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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It is safe - believe me. I & many others already went this route, long ago. From OS5.0 to OS5.3D & back to OS5.2A. I know of no experienced problems whatsoever by any user.

Dnj, the ONLY Audya problem that I'm aware of is the inability to play unofficial 3rd party user styles. It's only for this reason that we are going back to an older OS. There are no other software related problems on the Audya of any sorts - I need to emphasize this. Don't get the wrong impression.

You should go listen to the demos of my latest HIQ_Styles on the Ketron forumn. All created by a novice like myself onboard the Audya - No other arranger currently available can do same. I've always said that "style modeling" was the Audya's strongest point. Now I'v laid down plenty of stuff to demonstrate this. You can take this as far as your imagination allows you...

Yes, I did get bored with my Audya due to a lack of fresh new styles. So I started creating my own & in a week or so I created over forty good new styles with ease. Anyone can do same. This gave some new life to my Audya and when I get bored again, I'll create some more. Hence this fuss to get a copy of the last OS that would allow new styles in the hands of every Audya owner.

Henni
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#408864 - 09/25/15 09:52 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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So,

While things are moving slow for my friend's problem to be resolved, let me explain how those new styles were created:

1. Load ANY midi only style.
2. Browse in suitable audio drums.
3. This covers the different drums for ALL variations, breaks & fills in one single browse.
4. Mute audio drums for intros & endings.
5. Up midi drum volumes for those parts, but mute for all the rest.
Note: If drums not to your liking, either add groove loops like congas, simbals, snares, kicks, shakes, brushes & many many more to choose from in the drum groove channel. Use with audio drums or alone without it...
6. Browse in different audio bass loops for each variation. This comes with fills & breaks & riffs attached.
7. Now go through each variation. Keep good midi parts. Browse in loops as required.
8. These loops consists of:
a. Pure audio & midi guitars for three channels per variation.
b. Piano midi loops for one channel per variation.
c. Midi guitar, banjo, piano, reeds, strings etc. for another channel per variation.
9. Build up the style in this way to your heart's & imagination's content.
10. Save as new user style.
11. Go use new style in making music...

All of this is AMAZING & all are done right on-board the unit itself. There are more than one thousand drum sections, hundreds, if not more than a thousand of audio guitar, piano & other instrument loops to choose from. The different combinations possible is way more than my mind can handle or my ears can detect! Only the size of your imagination comes to play here.

Oh yes, any midi voice can be replaced or altered or moved to any different place, just the same as any other arranger. Any section of any style can be copied to <ANY>! section of any other style if measures the same.

Henni
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#408951 - 09/28/15 03:54 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Hi Henni,

did you get the update as requested? and if you did can you reforward it to the rest of us waiting for it?.

Thanks
Robbo

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#408953 - 09/28/15 04:15 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Hi Robbo,

No, I did not. I have OS5.2A for the Audya 76 & for the Audya 5. I have made those available long ago HERE. Just look for it on those pages.

I do NOT have it for the Audya 4 module, so I cannot help those as yet. This issue is important to me, so believe me I'll make available to ALL as soon as I receive ANYTHING whatsoever!

Cheers,

Henni
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#408984 - 09/28/15 05:29 PM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Thanks Henni,

It will be interesting as too how loong Ketron takes to fix up 5.3b?

Robbo

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#409441 - 10/10/15 05:48 PM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Originally Posted By: Henni
Hi Robbo,

No, I did not. I have OS5.2A for the Audya 76 & for the Audya 5. I have made those available long ago HERE. Just look for it on those pages.

I do NOT have it for the Audya 4 module, so I cannot help those as yet. This issue is important to me, so believe me I'll make available to ALL as soon as I receive ANYTHING whatsoever!

Cheers,

Henni


Hi Henni,

the only updater on the share was the Audya5 52A I have the original Audya 76 is the Audya 5 the same or do i actually need the 76?, because I couldn't find it on the 3 pages?

Thanks Robbo


Edited by Robbo (10/10/15 06:03 PM)

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#409464 - 10/11/15 04:30 PM Henni [Re: Robbo]
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Originally Posted By: Robbo
Originally Posted By: Henni
Hi Robbo,

No, I did not. I have OS5.2A for the Audya 76 & for the Audya 5. I have made those available long ago HERE. Just look for it on those pages.

I do NOT have it for the Audya 4 module, so I cannot help those as yet. This issue is important to me, so believe me I'll make available to ALL as soon as I receive ANYTHING whatsoever!

Cheers,

Henni


Hi Henni,

the only updater on the share was the Audya5 52A I have the original Audya 76 is the Audya 5 the same or do i actually need the 76?, because I couldn't find it on the 3 pages?

Thanks Robbo

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#409470 - 10/12/15 12:29 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Get a grip Henni. No AJ isn't Ketron despite what you think. Be thankful he supports Ketron gear like he does. Show some patience because you are not showing yourself in a good light being so unreasonably demanding.

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#409491 - 10/12/15 03:01 PM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Just a brief note, it took a little time but Aj supplied me with the Audya 4 module 5.2A OS, so i thank him. As i said it took a while but he didn't forget and it came through tonight. Thanks AJ

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#409507 - 10/12/15 09:09 PM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: kierc.0857]
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Hi AJ,

Thank you so very, very much. Now we are all sorted & can at last play 3rd party styles created amongst ourselves. There are no other Audya software related problems whatsoever that I am aware of. Once again, tx to AJ, the Audyas rock once more.

AJ, I sincerely apologise for starting this thread in such a harsh way - I hope that you can forgive me. Although no excuse for my rude & uncalled for behaviour, I was extremely frustrated by this problem. Once again you came through on behalf of Ketron & solved another major problem. Yet again I & all of us Audya owners are indebted to you. Your support & service is 2nd to none.

For all new potential Audya owners, until Ketron Italy comes up with an official WORKING OS update, I suggest you insist that your new unit comes with the older OS5.2A already installed. This way you will be spared much frustration.

Regards,

Henni
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#409580 - 10/14/15 10:19 AM Re: AJ please respond... [Re: Henni]
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Sadly,

We still do not have the correct OS for the Audya 4. The supplied file does not work for it. Despite all my latest renewed enthusiasm, we are STILL stuck EXACTLY where we were before I started this thread.

So, the Audya 4 users are still not able to play styles created by other users - not good or cosher at all...

Anyway...

Henni
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