Anything you want to know? Feel free to ask and i`ll try it out. I will try to put on some videos on my website soon.

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Sure like to know how fast the sampler loads from HD. Make a 64MB wave file, transfer to HD, and load up as a RAM object, if you can...

I'd also like to know how well it handles loading Akai disks, and how much work is needed to turn them into usable sounds...

Can it load Akai natively, or do they need to be translated, somehow? The Akai library is diverse, some of it is EXTREMELY high quality, and mostly used 32MB or less per sound (that was all you could load most of them up with - how things have changed!). Any shortcoming with the onboard sounds could easily be made up for, as long as the sampler loads fast enough...

Any chance of finding this out for me..? I have given up trying to get accurate answers from Ketron employees that post here, sadly.

As of now Audya can not Load AKAI yet.

OK, so.... 64MB (or 32MB, it doesn't really matter as long as it is big enough to time out well) of ANY kind of data (except the stuff that streams). This will probably give a real world figure for the Akai stuff, once it is converted and stored there...

Just not the compressed data of Ketron's RAM/ROM sounds... I am still not sure what is going on there.

I am not sure of what is going on there either but i know as it is now Audya wont read Akai.

Is there anyone who can mail me the SD1 styles so i can try them out on the Audya?

Email: mvaland@online.no

Thanks

I can e-mail you some SD5 but i dont think i can do it tonight or tomorow.

That would be very nice Nedim. Thanks.

Diki: The sampel loading time is about 20 sec.

Assuming you loaded the full 64MB, that's 3MB/s which is very slow for a PC driven keyboard.

Interesting....!!!

I wonder is that down to the compression kicking in and the CPU time it takes to encode the files.

Can you please try loading something like a ripped CD into RAM. I would be interested in knowing how many MB you can load into 64MB of RAM.

I'm just trying to get an idea if this 12:1 compression exsists or if it's misinformation.

Regards.
James.

Gratulerer Martin

Så, hvor god deal klarte du og hale iland på denne da og hvor handla du?
50 store lapper?

Just asking how if any good deal and where bought.

Happy Playing
GJ

Btw, styles on the way by email.

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Chevy
I would like to hear some solo RH voices. And get your opinion on them.

How good are they. I have always heard that alone, Ketrons solo voices don't sound that good, but in a full arranger play it all sounds good together?
March 15 I will also find out for myself here in Ft. Wayne.

Thanks,
Lee S.

Can you confirm the amount you loaded in that 20 sec.?

It might be slow by computer standards, James, but that (if it is 64MB) is still pretty blistering by modern hardware keyboard sampler standards. Up until now, virtually nothing bettered the 1MB/sec rate of my 15 year old K2500's SCSI system. And the T2/3 are still glacial by comparison (not to mention completely closed sample formats, so no Akai import at all)...

The thing is, these so-called 'computer' based arrangers other than totally 'open' things like MS and OAS Wersi still use hardware chips for voice production, RAM storage, things like that. It's those data paths that put the chokehold on the RAM loading, I think...

Chevy,

can you PLEASE load let's say 384MB into the AUDYA? (or somewhere in that ballpark)

at 12:1 compression that should take up ONLY 32MB (half the AUDYA's memory)

and let us know how long that takes, if it "takes" that is.

please let us know your findings...
much appreciated...

thanks,
Lee

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Hi Diki.

I understand what you mean, but the Audya is not a dedicated hardware keyboard. It is a PC in the same scene the KORG OASYS is and that will easily do 22MB/s because that's as fast as the internal HDD can feed data to the OASYS. Use an external drive that's faster and you get even more speed.

Even my KORG M3 which is a dedicated hardware instrument will load a 64MB EXPCM Library in around 15 seconds.

So considering that, if the talk of the 12:1 compression is real, then the CPU on the Audya must be very busy when loading. That's the only excuse I can think of for why it's so slow at loading data, and 20 seconds for 64MB is very slow for a Dual Core keyboard.

Regards.
James.

Interesting... Is the M3 data compressed? That's a pretty decent rate if those are uncompressed figures.

But let's put this 12-1 rubbish to rest. You and I both know it is false. 2-1 is about the current state of the art, and it comes at some fairly high CPU cost to decode in realtime...

The thing that confuses me is that the RAM is non-upgradeable. This would seem to point towards them using perhaps a FLASH RAM disk to store this, and might also point out why it is so slow compared to normal RAM access and transfer speeds.

What do you think?

Hi Diki.



Yes, the M3 data I quoted is compressed but file sizes is a true 64MB that needs to be loaded in order for the 2:1 / 128MB of PCM data to be available.

The OASYS Speeds quoted where all based on uncompressed data.



Yeah and that has me worried. If what AJ said was true, then KETRON should release the technology world wide for downloadable music and much more. But if he's wrong, then as an employee for KETRON .....well .... not good and I will say no more on that.



Hard to know really. I'm thinking that “Zipping” the files could be the cause of the slowdown.



What I really think I'm afraid to say. There's a lot wrong with the way questions cannot be answered and then there's the question of the 12:1 compression.

I'm actually starting to feel a little guilty and I don't think I want to be associated with anything negative to do with the Audya because I really hope it's a success for Ketron and not a flop.

Regards.
James.

i too really hope that the AUDYA is a success,

i think what "we" all are trying to do is get answers to our questions.

our posts and questioning (at least mine) are not meant to belittle the AUDYA.

QUESTIONS are QUESTIONS and they SHOULD be answered.
FACTS are FACTS, and they MUST be told.

If we are to spend $5,000+ then we MUST know what the AUDYA can or cannot do, and hope that the postives outweigh the negatives

"we" just want honesty,
we want answers,
and unfortunately we have to keep asking, and unfortunately we don't get answers,
which as a result creates this "negative" vibe

just my $.02

Hello again
I have the Audya in my studio this weekend for testing. I cant get the output assign to work properly. Can someone please explain to me how it`s ment to work. I need separate outputs for bass drum, snare drum, the rest of the drums, chords and right hand. It is very important for me to know if this is possible.

I will bring you a full report of the test soon.

Thanks
Martin

Chevy,

i'm not sure if you can separate the Drum instruments to different outs on AUDYA (midi). it would seem ALL drums you can assign to one out, bass to another, guitar to another, RH to another etc.

i know for sure you wont be able to separate the Drums if you're using Audio Drums, lets say percussion grooves...

So do I, and in fact, I think most all of us do. Only time will tell.
GJ

Only the price will tell....$5000.00 is a big chunk for people in these hard economic times especially when there is so much competition.if Ketron is smart they will get these out asap at around $3200.00 and move on to the next idea.....

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US $5000 is low price compared to what we see at dealers websites here, looks like a real bargain!
GJ

I think that you cannot separate out the drums on audio loops (as it is just a mixed audio file) but you can on the MIDI kits...

Hey Diki.
I know, but the audioloops are mostly useless anyway. The upside is - the SD1 patterns sounds amazing on the Audya.

The problem lies in that people will compare it to what is already out there for the $5000.00...here lies the problem...is the Audya that much better then the other TOTL arranger kb's out there at this time?



[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 02-27-2009).]

Huh...? Are you talking about the 'Real Drums' styles?

I thought that these were the main difference between Ketron and the rest.

The problem is that the loop repets itselfs over and over. Ok? So....there comes the auto roll....in the middle of the verse. Very annoying. Sounds like the drummer is drunk and has his mind somewhere else.

Auto roll? Do you mean that there are fills at the end of each loop even when you don't want one? How long are the loops? 8 bar, 4 bar, 16 bar?

That sounds a little odd. Have you checked with Ketron to see if there is something set wrong in your Preferences?

I think the Audya justifies 5000$ very well, as far as doing more or having more then the
competitors well hell yeah, has over 10 things that the competitors cant do, it still justifies.

Hm, let me try to give u an example. You know the 12 bar blues? Ok. When you play the play the blues pattern and keep strikly to the 12 bar blues scheme , whooooow it`s wonderfull, but...sometimes you have to leave the standard 12 bar blues scheme.....catastrophe. Does this make sense? My english is not so strong

Could it be like that because of settings options or triggered by the way you play?
I asume it's a lot of options to make this wondermachine act like you want it too?

GJ

i`m sitting in my studio right now and my wife, who is the keyboardplayer in my band, is playing SD1 styles on the Audya. It`s the best i have ever heard coming out of a arranger keyboard. I have had the most of them, and right now i have the SD1 and the Tyros2 in my studio. The SD1 is good, but the Audya is way better. The Tyros 2 sounds plastic in the comparison. I have owned the ms100, x1, SD1, Technic KN`s, but never heard something near the Audya. It`s revolution.

Belive me on the audioloops issue. It`s the way i say. Don`t buy the Audya for the audio patterns. Buy it for the wonderfull solo and drum sounds. An example. In my studio i have a Yamaha CP 300. That is in many ears one of the best El pianos. Audia acc piano is better.

Mmmm, I agree, but here you have to add 3500 US$ to the 5000, it's 8570.
Then the "offer" price is set to 7150 US$.
Still think it's the right price?
PA2X Pro and T3 we can buy around 4280 US$, so you see the difference?
Same gap in your area?
GJ

1 US$ = 7 N.Kr at the moment.

Heyyyyy, the big hype around Audya is the audio patterns!!
If that's not why we should buy, they just could upgraded
the SD1.
Most be something more to it, or??
GJ

Let me put it this way. There is just a few audio patterns on the Audia. If u find a tune that match it....it will sound great. But the mainly reason i buy this board...the SD1 pattern sounds 10 times better on it.. And i can chose in the wourld of patterns. I will try tomorrow to put up some videos on my homepage so you better can see what i mean.

Yep, it sounds like the audio drum loops have fills, or at least pickups, at the ends of loops. Pretty dumb, IMO. That's what the FILLS are for. Lots of 16 bar blues out there, and if the loop is twelve bars AND puts a big pickup in, you just lost the usefulness of the style.

Korg tend to do the same thing with their longer pattern styles, but at least it's fairly subtle. A roll (if I have got you right on that) is hardly what I'd call subtle!

But this does reinforce one of my main objections to going the audio route. On a MIDI style, this roll would be child's play to remove. On an audio style, not so much (if at all). You gain a lot with audio. But you also lose a lot, and put yourself at the mercy of the style creator. If it isn't PERFECT for you, forget about editing it to be perfect...

what this "auto" fill is is the AI, Artificial Intelligence, which AJ has talked about

This is to keep things interesting, so it does not sound the SAME as every other keyboard.

And i DO believe this AI CAN be turned off if you want your patterns to sound "boring", monotonous...

I`m sorry. You can`t turn it off. If you could

i'm almost 100% sure AJ said you could turn it off., the AI


Nedim? AJ?

Well. As i said. it`s a audio loop. and you can`t turn it off. This is not magic. Just logic.

Hi Chevy!
I'm looking for a good piano sound from an arranger (I'm a Tyros2 Owner) Are you saying that the acoustic piano sound from Audya is better than CP300????!!!!!!!! Could you explain a little more about it? is it multi layered? I heard the Ketron oficial piano demo. I liked, but don't think is in the same stage than CP 300. Could you put a little demo of it? PLEASE!!!!
And Thanks a lot for your help
Jo

Not to e rude, but you cant !!!

The piano sounds is WOW!!. I will try to put up some samples. tomorrow in Norway time. Goodnight.

Martin www.jaerlyd.no

AI on Audya not that could be turned off but also has some settings for it too, how to behave.
It can be turned on and off on the fly.

If you are so sure about that Nedim, then maby you can tell me how to turn it off. That would be great. I can`t find anything on the Audya to turn off or do anything with the AI function.

I dont have the AUDYA now, you have to wait till
Monday, i am gonna call AJ and ask, i know the function
is there i just forgot where exactly.

Hello
I have put up a video of my band rehearsal on some new songs and trying out Ketron Audya. You can hear the autoroll kickin in now and then. The quality of the video is not the best, but the best i could do at this moment. Anyway, here is the link. Let me know what you think.
http://www.youtube.com/user/FretClimber

PS! Looking forward to hear from you Nedim tomorrow after you have talked to AJ about the audio autorolls.

Regards
Martin www.jaerlyd.no

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Thanks for sharing you session..........would love to hear more of the Audya then just LH chords...maybe next time.

OK, I watched the video. I hear quite a lot of fills that appear to have NOT been requested. And, especially in the second song, I hear fills that are NOT responding to what you play... she wasn't playing anything at all! Just asking for fills when she wanted them (and getting some when she wasn't).

To be honest, especially in the first song, I didn't feel that the 'auto' whatever it was was very musical. A crash in the middle of a verse (every four bars) seemed very distracting. Admittedly, both those songs stuck to a four or eight bar structure, so it wasn't quite as distracting as if you had had a six bar or ten bar chunk in there, but even so, it was not what I would have expected from a real drummer.

There doesn't seem to be much point in actually having a fill control if the darn thing is going to fill on you anyway!

So now, anyway, I suppose the main question is, are those pickups actually programmed into the variation loop itself (and hence not switchable at all), or are they part of the so-called 'Style Intelligence' and defeatable. Not to mention, what the hell is actually triggering them if the girl wasn't playing anything at all?

Very nice demo with your band. As far as the Audya, those drums are WOW. They sound so real. Good luck with your Audya.

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I'm not sure, Donny, but you DID notice two guitarists and a bass player?

To be honest, I am not sure she was PLAYING anything at all... First song, I think I saw her RH go down and play a note or two once or twice, and certainly couldn't HEAR anything come out. Second song, nothing at all. As upfront as the drums were in the mix, you would have thought that you might be able to hear SOME keys if they were being played.

Not that there's anything wrong with this, necessarily (she was acting as the drummer, in a way!), but I have a feeling that the Audya, at least for now, is mainly the drummer...

Diki I was going to say the same thing also ...what was the audya actually doing?
BUT, my LH view was distracted by some eye candy

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 03-01-2009).]

Hello

My wife is playing the Audya. She is playing the chords on the left hand. The videos is put up for you to demonstrate the annoying autofills. That is why she is not plaing on the right hand and that is also why i have put the drums so loud in the mix.

Chevy
I think this is a matter of personal taste but, I think the drums volume is the optimal (not overly loud). And about the fills, how often do you play with a skilled drummer? they fill all the time (and sometimes in annoying ways), actually I think those little fills make it sound so real and natural. One of the things I hate playing with arrangers (I own a Tyros2) is the repetitive patterns and fills that sound so robotic and boring.
I'm not trying to justify the Audya, just what I heard on the video all the times I saw it.
I think the Audya compliments your band very, very well
Please, MORE!!!
Jo

I have the audio loops on my hard disk (got them from the Audya when I had it at home), and opening them with Audition as raw PCM files shows that these autofills are programmed in the loops (usually every 4 or 8 measures).

Thanx for the clarification.....your a lucky man. A Beautiful wife & an AUDYA also!!!!
Hope to hear more from your group in the future....btw can't you shut off the autofills?

Tak Care

Yeah, Chevy.... How does one man get so lucky?

No offense intended. It was a rehearsal, and I'm sure that it would be fuller at the gig...

I don't know if you have tried one yet, but if the Audya's quirks eventually put you off of using it, give the Roland G70/E80 a try. At least for drums, it comes closer than anything else out there to that degree of liveness, but without the fills recorded into the styles (as mrdave has found out for us) and with the ability to reprogram and edit easily if you need it.

I have turned styles that were wrong for a song into the correct beat by as little as moving a kick drum here, a snare drum there. I'm afraid that the Audya won't give you that, at least on the Live Drums loops.

Yes, the Audya's drums sound exceptional (the Live Drum ones), but unless they are a PERFECT fit, you are going to have to put up with the style creator's beat whether it works or not. Maybe they will be sufficient for you, maybe not...

And Jose... You need to work with better drummers! I don't know many that will put a crash in the middle of a verse, especially when playing quiet sidestick beat..

The issue isn't really whether there are pickups or not. The issue is that they are pre-programmed at four or eight bar intervals. Whether the music follows this or not. Get off of that structure, and now the drummer is playing pickups at REALLY wrong places....

I am surprised that, after Ketron went to all the trouble to develop an AI that is supposed to figure out what you are doing from what YOU play, they then go ahead and record drum loops that do stuff that doesn't listen to you at all!

Hello y'all

Here is a another song for you. On this song the fills fits perfectly.

The mic is connected to the Audya.

Remember: Just me testing the Ketron Audya keyboard. I`m not a keyboard player, but a guitarist. Audya is really fun playing on. Cant keep my hands off it. It`s just like heaving the whole band playing along with you. The drums are just fantastic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVZrUsiakP0

More on it`s way.

Martin

Martin, thanks for posting. The Audya sounds great. You may be a guitar player, but you are a keyboard player as well!
DonM

That's the trouble, though, Martin...

If the fills fit, all is fine. If they don't, you can do nothing about it. Except maybe not play that song.

Getting a little rusty on my voice after playing and singing with the Audya for a whole week now, but what the heck, it`s the keyboard you guys are interested in...(and my wife).... right?

Here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKBuB7AeaRU

Have a nice morning, day, evening, afternoon, night...wherever you are, and take care.

Martin

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Diki: As i said before, you can always use styles without the live drums. The SD1 patterns sounds great on the Audya. I have for one week now tested the SD1, Tyros 2 and Audia. The Audya is playing WAY better than the others in my ears. Also with the midi styles.

Anyway i`m thankful for yours and you other guys engagement on this subject. I have an open mind and have learn that it`s the ear that decide what sounds good or not. My ears are not better then others. There is not a wrong sound i my opinion. It depends a lot on what YOU like, and whats right for U.

Thanks

Martin

What about the "onboard styles" already there?
How do they sound/play, and how are the sortiment compared
to SD1?
GJ

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Do you have some clips with you playing the non-audio drum styles? And do THOSE styles suffer from the 'mandatory fill' problem?

I wish you had had a G70 to try alongside. Sadly, if you are going to compare the T2 with the Audya, well, the bar is not very high in that drum department.

Couple of issues with the clips you posted. Firstly, I heard some 'flamming' in the sidestick in the first clip (repeatable). What's going on there? And secondly, on the whole, I was seriously underwhelmed by that piano sound (not the playing, just the sound). Is that the main Ketron piano?

Hi

Not sure about what you mean when you say (Flamming)??

Yes it`s the main Piano. You must have in mind that the sound is recorded on a handy cam. It`s not a studio recording. The movie is compressed my me and You tube. I have a Yamaha CP300 in studio and i think the Audya sounds just as good.

Thanks for being som kind and polite regarding my piano playing. You are a good man.

Martin

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Gunnar

The most of the on board patterns are with live drums.

If you download the quick manual you can read a list of all the styles.

As i said before. The keyboard sounds great. The more i play on it the more i love it. The only thing that is annoying is the autorolls that sometimes does not roll in the right places. That was a pretty stupid ide from Ketron in my opinion. You should at least been able to turn it off, but u cant.

Martin

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Hi Chevy, for the IA ON/OFF function you have to be on the latest OS, the older ones dont
have it. The Synths me and AJ have are always at least 2 OSs ahead of the regular users.
You better check what version you have and then download the new one from Ketron.it.
You will find the function under STYLE/ARRANGER page, same Arrange Mode on SD5
somewhere on page 3, it will say IA ON/OFF or IA CHORDS ON/OFF...if its there you'll see it.

Chevy,

Your Audya sounds great and really enjoyed your songs. The sax on Knocking sounds nice brings me back to that Ketron sound that I miss very much. Keep them coming....

And Lee, the sounds you herd on Audya, there will be more coming.

AJ,

can you please let Chevy know how to turn OFF this AI ???

i believe you did say it could be turned off,

Nedim, also stated it can be turned off..

so how do you do it?

thanks

Nedim,

how many more sounds?
what kind of sounds?
super solo voices?

I dont know exactly about the structure Lee, if it will be ROM or SS sounds but there is more.

Hello Nedim

I think i have the latest software downloaded from Ketron.it. The version says 11A. Is that the latest software or is there a newer anywhere. I`m going to demonstrate the Audya and it is very important to know if the AI can be turned off. I cant find the pages you are refering to??

Please HELP!!

Thanks

Martin

Chevy

1.1a is the LATEST official firmware

whether AJ or Nedim have a later one, i don't know

how to turn off AI, i don't know,

if you can't find the page Nedim talks about to turn off AI, then there must be a 1.1b or 1.2 on their AUDYA's that's not official

wish i could help you

Thanks Lee

I just don`t understand how it can be turned it of if it`s recorded in the middle of a loop. But Nedim seems quit sure that it can be done so i just have to trust him. I`m going to demonstrate the Keyboard for a lot people tomorrow evening and i know that the issue will come up. But what answer can i give them??
It`s a realy bad situation.

Martin

Chevy, the IA is not recorded in the Style itself, thats why its called inteligen but thats
another topic on that. As for ON and OFF yes, it is able to and also Lee knows it too,
i dont know if he saw AJ doing it or just AJ told him. Now, it might be your OS, on the
ones we have/had the function is there but those machines as i said are always one
or two OSs ahead of the regular ones. I think AJ will reply tonight on this, i talked to him earlier.

Thanks Nedim

Looking forward to get the right answer on this.

Martin

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Martin,
Thanks so much for posting...I really enjoyed hearing the Audya and your rendition of knocking was very nice indeed!

You have a great voice and YES, you are a keyboard player :-)
I wish I could sing.

Lee S. (the other Lee)

Just so you know...

The fills during the variation that are NOT called for are part of the basic .Wav recording. In other words, you CANNOT get them to stop. They recorded a real drummer, he played eight bars (or four bars, depends on the style) and played a pickup (small fill) at the end. Ketron looped this. So it comes around every eight bars (or four, depending on style) and always plays unless you hit the button for fill.

There is no AI involved. It is simply part of the basic recording (mrdave listened to the raw Wave files to confirm this).

I honestly do not get the point of this. It's all well and good if everything you play is in nice four or eight bar chunks (and in fairness, that's a LOT of songs) but when they aren't, it is very unmusical. Play a six bar phrase, and then the fill will come on bar 2 of the next phrase, NOT bar 4.

What were they thinking?

Thank you Leeboy for your kind words.

No answer from AJ on the IA issue. I suppose that this means that it cant be turned off. Just as i taught. Guess it`s not that intelligent after all.

Martin

Chevy bro, dont fall as low as some other guys in here, yes it can, i personally guarantee
you and hold me by my words...dont just assume.
As for anyones info, AJ is also sick thats why he hasnt been around lately.

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Just out of curiosity, did the Live Drums styles on the SD-1 have the same four bar pickups, or were they recorded straight through?

Sorry, just some frustration coming out. Just taught there would be an answer on this when i woke up this morning. The Audya is great. I love it.

And you guys, remember, it`s just a keyboard. Lets not start a new civil war about it. There is so mush more important thing to life. As health. If you are in contact with AJ please send him my regards and wishes for him to be better soon.

Thanks

Martin

Nedim, I'm not sure you understand the problem...

mrdave listened to the drum loops. The drum loops for the variations STILL had pickups in them (at least some of them). Hence they can't be turned off. Chevy THOUGHT that they might be some kind of AI thing originally, but mrdave seems to have shown that to be not the case. It's got nothing to do with the AI.

From what we gather from AJ, the AI adds things in to the main pattern, but nowhere has he said it can take things OUT.

Perhaps this time, for once, you could find out FOR SURE about something before you go announcing to one and all that everything's gonna be alright. You know, after that whole guitar chord thing.

If the main loop has a pickup or fill in it, the only way to stop it happening is to cover it up with another fill Not exactly what Chevy wants, He just wants the variation pattern without ANY fills.

About the only thing I can think of that MIGHT do this is to cut the variations in half, make a four bar pattern a two bar pattern, an eight into four. That way, the pickup wouldn't play. Of course, with audio, this may be a lot harder to make sound smooth.

Nedim, you have made styles, haven't you? Do you usually program a fill at the end of a variation pattern? Or do you leave them straight, and let the user kick in the fill when he needs it? Because, on the whole, that's what most arranger styles do. Korg, on their longer (16 bar plus) patterns sometimes put a LITTLE pickup in, but, IMO, much more subtly than the Ketron ones.. Yamaha and Roland, straight through. The user kicks the fills.

Why have Ketron done something different here?

When I played the Audya, AJ told me it was controlled via velocity, so I would think it can be adjusted and /or turned off, just like any other velocity controlled command.

Frank



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Anyone ever consider that perhaps Ketron may not have been too privy to this issue (during production) because it may have simply been a personal choice made by the person who was actually PLAYING the drums???? There's a possibility that the drummer on his own slipped in a light fill either on purpose or just habit.

Things can and do go un-noticed by the production teams (especially if the issue was done on part by someone who's job is simply to play.., yet makes a small decision that leads us to where we are today on the issue)

Things DO go un-noticed and sometimes obvious things get overlooked in production. Alesis is a good example guys. This team has the experience to put out a decent product.., but somehow by the end of the road when Alesis Fusion went into production and out to consumers..., it was the consumer that found out someone on the design team forgot to program the code into the OS for the sequencer to LOOP! That's a pretty major mistake IMO..., so seeing something like this I can't help but think that perhaps Ketron didn't notice this or pay too much attention as they were relying on the skills of another and the players little fills here and there may have simply gone un-noticed.

Just another way to look at it.



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Well in that case, get a new drummer and just give us new styles with no fills. That should not be so difficult.

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I haven't used this Ketron.., but I have to ask.., "Can the Audya.., (through an OS update) completey swap the current audio style loops and replace those with new ones"? Are these audio loops perm. in the Rom? If it can swap the audio then Ketron can re-record the loops and remove these minor fills.

Chevy

The subtle drum accents programmed with the styles that have AUDIO DRUMS (Drum 1) cannot be deleted. However the other drum, bass and chord interactions (AI) can...

Perform the following settings on your Ketron Audya (which might not have been done in the OS you have) so that you manually control everthing ...

* STYLE MODE (under MODE (1/6) )
** AUTO FILL = OFF
** AFTER FILL = OFF

* STYLE MODE (under Chord (4/9) )
** LIVE GUITAR = Normal

* MENU
** Keyboard Control
** UTILITY
** Remix Live Guitar = OFF

Now save as CUSTOM START UP (SAVE - CUSTOM START UP (F6) ), otherwise you will have to repeat the above each time the AUDYA is turned on.

Hope this helps with your Demo.

Thanks,

AJ (was ill for a couple of days and didn't see this - sorry for the delay).

Did you listen to Chevy's Youtube clips, AJ?

Too be honest, I would hardly call those 'subtle programmed accents'. They sound like fills, plain and simple. Or a crash... hardly subtle in a ballad pattern.

WOW! Now there's a problem right there. Audio loops with fills BUILT IN to the loop and unchangable! Yikes! Isn't the purpose of an arranger to give YOU the player the control. After all isn't the concept of the arranger to have the band follow YOUR moves. I like the idea of the audio running.., but recording drum audio with slight fills and not allowing the user to take those out can be a big problem for a lot of people. That's pretty messed up IMO. Imagine how pissed off people would be if their arrangers (that didn't use audio) had preset fills on drum tracks that THEY had no control over. Why would you accept that in the form of audio?

Can you swap these audio files out and replace them via an OS upgrade or are they burned into the ROM?????? Was this decision to record these fills into the audio a Ketron decision..., or did your drummer(s) suddenly get a little more involved than they were supposed to be?



[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 03-03-2009).]

We've been told that the drum audio files (as opposed to the guitar loops) are streamed from the HD. Therefore, they COULD be changed out to files that don't have fills.

I guess if enough Audya owners and potential owners chime in, it could be done...

AJ - Thank you for finally making this clear. I was just as i taught and have tried to explain all the time. You cant turn IT off.

Nedim - Hm.....

I hope Ketron soon will release some patterns with live drums without auto fills. That is a must!!

Martin

My thoughts exactly...