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#253028 - 01/09/09 09:35 AM 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
DonM Offline
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Here's a link to my web site. At the bottom there is a link to details about the Jam.
It's January 18, 19 and 20.
PLEASE let me know if you are coming!
Thanks,
Don www.donmasonmusic.com
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#253029 - 01/09/09 10:34 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Don, don't make it sound like a lot of fun...I told my wife it was work related...
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#253030 - 01/09/09 02:14 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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You have her believing music is WORK???
You're my hero!!
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#253031 - 01/09/09 09:08 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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All I know is I'm coming Don ....
so have the Gumbo, Po' Boys......& all the other great things you guys eat down there ready.

Lets Jam baby!!

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#253032 - 01/10/09 09:34 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Hey Don,

I'll be there. I'm driving the Jersey boys in from Dallas/Ft. Worth.

Joe

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#253033 - 01/10/09 09:55 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Joe, I will be hauling around a couple "BIG" keyboards....you better rent a large car....just kidding..
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#253034 - 01/10/09 10:55 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Songman55:
Hey Don,

I'll be there. I'm driving the Jersey boys in from Dallas/Ft. Worth.

Joe



God bless you ... ...
t.
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#253035 - 01/10/09 11:10 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Originally posted by tony mads usa:
God bless you ... ...
t.



Fugettabouttit !!!

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#253036 - 01/10/09 11:19 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Originally posted by Dnj:
All I know is I'm coming Don ....
so have the Gumbo, Po' Boys......& all the other great things you guys eat down there ready.

Lets Jam baby!!


Uh, wait a minute. Weren't you supposed to be my diet role model? Man, New Years seems a million years ago, doesn't it?



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#253037 - 01/10/09 11:52 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Uh, wait a minute. Weren't you supposed to be my diet role model? Man, New Years seems a million years ago, doesn't it?



chas


Chas just watch the carbs btw that was a Seafood Gumbo......although the Po' Boy is cheating a bit ....but there's those great Steaks at Ernest's....Ahhhhhh whats the use... "Laissez les bons temps rouler"

Chas forget the diet for now..jump on a plane & get down there for the jam we gonna have a party baby!!

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#253038 - 01/10/09 01:00 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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There area about 20 confirmed so far, and there are about that many more waiting to decide.
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#253039 - 01/10/09 01:12 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Don't forget to try the boudin...

Wish I could make it. Have fun, take LOTS of video. And try to find a camcorder with a line in!
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#253040 - 01/10/09 03:29 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Whoa, sounds like you are all in for a great time. I purchased last years video from Joe Richards and it was well worth it. This years should be even better seeing you all in action. Unfortunately, some family circumstances derailed our plan to attend. Enjoy!

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#253041 - 01/10/09 03:31 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Joe Lee Richards will videotape for us. He will take a signal from the main mixer for the audio.
He runs a PBS TV station in Arkansas and has really good equipment.
DonM
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#253042 - 01/12/09 07:59 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Last Call Baby ......Git Er Dun!!!


common down! This Sunday!

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#253043 - 01/12/09 09:27 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Jay is bringing pulled pork sandwiches and my Cajun wife is cooking Gumbo for Sunday!
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#253044 - 01/12/09 09:42 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Originally posted by DonM:
Jay is bringing pulled pork sandwiches and my Cajun wife is cooking Gumbo for Sunday!
DonM



Oh man I can't wait!!!

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#253045 - 01/12/09 09:53 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Do they have beignets in Shreveport??? http://www.cafedumonde.com/beignet.html
YUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM !!!
So, light, so fresh, soooooo GOOD !!!

t.

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#253046 - 01/12/09 09:56 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Originally posted by tony mads usa:

YUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM !!!
So, light, so fresh, soooooo GOOD !!!

t.


Soooooo FATTENING

.........I'll take a dozen please

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#253047 - 01/14/09 08:10 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Originally posted by Stephenm52:
Whoa, sounds like you are all in for a great time. I purchased last years video from Joe Richards and it was well worth it. This years should be even better seeing you all in action. Unfortunately, some family circumstances derailed our plan to attend. Enjoy!


Steve wish you were coming !!!


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#253048 - 01/14/09 08:23 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Lots of bad weather everyone be careful out there!

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#253049 - 01/14/09 08:30 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Originally posted by Bill in Dayton:
Lots of bad weather everyone be careful out there!


http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USLA0426?from=36hr_fcst10DayLink_undeclared

looks good for the jam

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#253050 - 01/14/09 11:52 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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#253051 - 01/14/09 12:18 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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if you guys record video, please make sure that you get good audio, go directly to portable recorder, so we can hear AUDYA at its best, (as video camera mics suk)

thanks guys...

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#253052 - 01/14/09 12:31 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Steve wish you were coming !!!



Yea, Donny I wish I were coming too the jam. We were looking forward to it. After watching the video my wife said she'd love to go to it. Shes from the South and I gotta believe Hank B and Don M singing those country tunes sparked her interest.

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#253053 - 01/14/09 02:13 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Steve,
I'll call ya when Don is on stage at Ernest's tuesday night so you can hear him

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#253054 - 01/14/09 02:15 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Originally posted by leezone:
if you guys record video, please make sure that you get good audio, go directly to portable recorder, so we can hear AUDYA at its best, (as video camera mics suk)

thanks guys...


Joe Lee Richards will videotape for us. He will take a signal from the main mixer for the audio.
He runs a PBS TV station in Arkansas and has really good equipment.

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#253055 - 01/14/09 02:34 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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good to hear,

nothing worse than hearing bad audio on good demos,

well maybe... bad demos with good audio :-)

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#253056 - 01/14/09 08:48 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Demos Shemos we gonna party!!!!!



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#253057 - 01/15/09 02:59 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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I think I have a good idea of what gear most of us use, but it would be nice if everyone would post what keyboard they play and if they are bringing one.
I know about DNJ and Fran, Hank, Semilive, Hammer, the local guys and a few of the Texas guys, but knowing all of them would be a help in getting set up.
Thanks,
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#253058 - 01/16/09 07:17 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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We'll use it all Don don't you worry.....just set em up baby!!

We're there to Jam!!

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#253059 - 01/16/09 10:00 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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48 hours to go !!!.....

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#253060 - 01/17/09 09:21 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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5 Hours to go.....I'm coming off a double & can't seep I'm so excited

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#253061 - 01/18/09 08:27 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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It's JAM morning. Sun is shining and heading toward 66. Semilive is coming over to help me and Hank set gear up.
Players should start arriving after noon. At least 30 have told me they are coming.
Susan has cooked 5 gallons of Gumbo and JayR is bringing Pulled Pork Sandwiches.
AJ will be demonstrating the Audya about 5:00 p.m. and again Monday at noon.
After the Jam session tonight, anyone who wants to can come to my house to watch the football playoffs. Good old Tivo--the musician's best friend.
Tuesday night, those still here are coming to Ernest's to "help" with my regular "gig".
I plan to take most of the night off and let the other guys do the work.
I wish everyone come come!
DonM
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#253062 - 01/18/09 08:36 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Sounds like you guys are going to have a ball. I'm looking forward to seeing the DVD, hope everything goes well, and with any kind of luck, the Ravens will be headed to the Super Bowl. I'm heading out to play a corporate party today, then a single every day next week.

Keep us posted, Don, and keep up the good work,

Gary
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#253063 - 01/18/09 08:47 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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More Great News--Hammer just called and he can come after all. We'll have another Tyros 3 to play with. He's on the way now from Denton, TX.
DonM
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#253064 - 01/18/09 10:26 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Originally posted by travlin'easy:
Sounds like you guys are going to have a ball. I'm looking forward to seeing the DVD, hope everything goes well, and with any kind of luck, the STEELERS will be headed to the Super Bowl. I'm heading out to play a corporate party today, then a single every day next week.

Keep us posted, Don, and keep up the good work,

Gary




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#253065 - 01/18/09 11:17 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Bad News. Fran has come down with a virus and didn't make the trip. Just heard from DNJ, and he and Joe are on the way from Dallas and will be here about 4.
I'm loading up to go set up now.
More 2nite!
DonM
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#253066 - 01/18/09 10:32 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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All I can say is: You shoulda been here!
What a great session we had. DNJ and Joe Ayala can sound downright country when they try. Both great pickers and singers, and SHOWMEN, they blew everybody away.
Hammer had the Tyros 3 shining. There were several other Yammie players, using S900s, PSR 3000, and 2000. Vince Ramos put the SD1 through it's paces. Janet sounded great on the S900, as did Mike. Semilive Bill P. had his antique PSR2000 and his guitar and sounded outstanding on both.
Joe Lee was so busy video-taping everything, we never got around to letting him play, but we will tomorrow. Jay R brought great sandwiches, but he didn't play either--said he wanted to listen and learn, as did Don Patterson.
There were seven keyboards and a guitar all routed to the Bose L1 through two mixers, and everybody sounded great. I used a Peavey 12-channel mixer as the main mixer and 12-channel Behringer as a sub mixer.
There were wires everywhere, but it WORKED.
AJ arrived with the Audya about 5:30. He did a short demo that quickly turned into two hours. He will also have it there for us tomorrow at noon before having to catch a plane.
I think most everyone was impressed by the Audya. What interested me most was the wonderful real-time control the player has. Many assignable sliders and buttons, several inter-active features, three intros and endings plus fills and three BREAKS per style. The list of real-time features is really long and I've only touched on a few, but one was that the bass and style parts seem to "learn" what you are playing and add variety to what they did, based upon your playing pattern. Hard to explain, but great to hear.
The sound was next to incredible. You would think a live band was performing for you.
For Dikki, I had AJ play every type of chord he knew and the arranger played them flawlessly. He also told me that the audio styles were user programmable, but it takes a lot of work because they are quite complex.
There are 360 factory styles, and I think he said 85 percent of them use audio. The ones that didn't still sounded really good. It's hard to explain, but they seem to have really done the homework on this thing.
Of course it took about three years, so it SHOULD be right
The vocal harmonizer sounded great, and there are real-time sliders for both the lead vocal and harmony parts. I'm sure he will get deeper into the harmonizer features tomorrow. There are two XLR inputs, each with input level controls.
There are four audio outs PLUS two stereo outs, plus Aux outs and aux ins.
I haven't heard another arranger piano sound as good as this one.
I wasn't crazy about the location of the style controls--in the middle--but AJ said they had to put them there in order to not compromise the size and length of the sliders, which are on the left, where I wish the style controls were. The pb and mod wheels are above the left hand, as they were on SD1 I think. Workable, but not ideal to me.
Halfway through the demo, I got up and put a for sale sign on my E50. But it's not for sale as I think it's the best low-price arranger on the market as far as my needs go.
Even after I get the Audya, I will keep it as back up, probably.
If there are specific questions you have for AJ, I'll try to get them answered tomorrow.
As for me, I'll most likely have to have one pretty soon.
DonM
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#253067 - 01/18/09 11:00 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Let me start by saying that I Love SUSAN MASON'S gumbo!!!! and let me tell you these Southern Folk really make ya feel at home Southern hospitality is no myth in Louisiana.After 5 Minutes I felt so comfortable & engaged in the musical festivities....people playing great music, dancing, in a great room right on the lake with a super view!! Being the Eagles lost I needed this fantastic party to put me in good spirits. Don really did it this time & is a tremendous master of ceremonies making all feel comfy.Jammin with the boyz was awesome so many great musicians & singers like Hank B, Dale, Joe Lee, Bill,Hsmmer, AJ, some Ol'Hayride boyz too "Grand Old Opre", etc, & good ladie singers too.
We had a great time on the first night more to follow in the days to come. Stay tuned!

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#253068 - 01/19/09 06:34 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Don,

What does it weigh? My G-70 is a beast.

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#253069 - 01/19/09 07:08 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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The Audya is 18.5 Kg (38lbs) quite light for a 76 note arranger.
I've had mine on order for quite a while, can't wait for it to arrive.

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#253070 - 01/19/09 07:22 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Would someone please be kind enough to ask AJ at this meet, if the Audya comes with a 40gb or 80gb hard drive as standard and also what is the maximum available sample memory?

Ketron UK told me they can't see anywhere under the keyboard where you can expand this, but they have mentioned the machine shows around 4gb, which is possibly shared memory with the internal sounds as well as user samples? It would be nice to get the real answer from the horses mouth so to speak.

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#253071 - 01/19/09 08:19 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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I will ask. On my way now to meet Joe and Donny for breakfast, then to AJ's seminar at noon.
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#253072 - 01/19/09 10:59 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Cheers DonM.

Does anyone know if the Audya supports Akai format samples and maps them automatically?
From the way Ketron UK have been mentioning if I have Sound Fonts, does the Audya only use this format? Any help appreciated.

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#253073 - 01/19/09 11:16 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Please... SOLO the audio track.

OF COURSE the MIDI section can play any chord you want. I want to know what chords the audio loops have (and DON'T have)...
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#253074 - 01/19/09 02:30 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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As expected and to quote the Beatles " A splendid time is guaranteed for all."

Don be sure to put me on the mailing list for a DVD once Joe makes them available. Wish I could have been there.

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#253075 - 01/19/09 11:47 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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It comes with and 80-gig HD, upgradeable at this time to 500 gigs.
Dikki, AJ played an audio-loop style and it played flawlessly every chord he threw at it, at least to my ears.
I think you would love this thing once you get to hear it. I'm sure I'll have one soon and you can meet me somewhere and test it to your heart's content. I'll buy lunch!
I didn't ask about sample format. I'm sure AJ will jump in here once he gets back to Philly and unwinds awhile. He has had a hectic, across the world journey the past few weeks.
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#253076 - 01/20/09 01:05 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Dikki, AJ played an audio-loop style and it played flawlessly every chord he threw at it, at least to my ears.


But you didn't solo the audio track, did you? If the extensions are added by non audio tracks, it might easily fool you into thinking you heard it from the audio track.

Look, AJ, the thing is out. Why not just state for the record how many different types of chords the audio loop tracks actually play? There has to be separate recordings for each. No tricks, no adding the extension with a MIDI sound.

How many chord types have been recorded? It's a simple question...
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#253077 - 01/20/09 01:26 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Originally posted by Diki:
But you didn't solo the audio track, did you? If the extensions are added by non audio tracks, it might easily fool you into thinking you heard it from the audio track.

Look, AJ, the thing is out. Why not just state for the record how many different types of chords the audio loop tracks actually play? There has to be separate recordings for each. No tricks, no adding the extension with a MIDI sound.

How many chord types have been recorded? It's a simple question...


If the end result is that the style on a whole sounds good, does it really matter?
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#253078 - 01/20/09 01:43 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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... whew ... after a 2hr delay in TX (due to snow in Philly), I can safely say I'm back home now. I need to hit the sheets, but wanted to check out the forums first ... see if I had any questions.

Dikki - For the AUDIO parts/Loops (even when soloed as we did today (Monday) with the UNPLUGGED Styles to show of just how the audio ALONE sounded), ALL chord parts have been taken into consideration (hence some of the delay in the release) - meaning when you play (e.g an A chord), all extentions/variations of the A chord - (dim, 9th, Maj, Min, Min7th, AUG ... etc) are recognized by the AUDIO and MIDI parts of AUDYA. Because we streem the Audio directly from the HD, memory wasn't an issue here.

I hope this answers your question (at leat this one about chord recognition). If not, please let me know (with examples) and I will respond with "Yes/No" if a chord type you list is not currently recognized.

Thanks ... going to bed now.

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#253079 - 01/20/09 06:54 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Hee Ha baby we havin' a great time here at the Louisiana jam!! Yesterday we had a few less people due to scheduling & some had to get back to their perspective lives......after a great country breakfast we went back to the Jam room and started all over again hitting the keys & singing, trading solos etc, etc, & my buddy Hank B sang my favorite George Jones song for me "She Stopped Loving You Today"....it's amazing how so many pro musicians can come together & meld into one single sound as if we played together for a long time simply AWESOME!!
The hospitality here at the American legion hall is first class. We jammed into the late afternoon Then shot out for lunch to downtown Shreveport to a historic place call Fertitta's "Home of the Original Muffada" Italian Sandwich a real Louisiana favorite, Susan Mason joined us also..OH man are they so good! We had 3 of these giant creations. Afterwards we went back and really got serious & jammed the night away Don M, Myself, the famous Joe Lee Richards on guitar right next to me could make that Telecaster talk baby!, & Joe Ayala who blew us away with his super smooth vocals & KB playing, I love that man!!! it was a special time that I will never forget for sure...I'm telling you that we could of hit the stage somewhere & gave the audience a Show they would of been on their feet for all night long!! Killer licks, tradin' Vocals & harmonies beyond belief & everyone sat back just right in the pocket for an outstanding mix which really sounded great through the Bose PAS system.......it doesn't get no better, after the night Jam Joe went back to Baltimore sniff sniff, Joe Lee hit the Casinos......& Don M & myself hit the Shreveport Night Life... a real HOT Blues Club to see the local talent...WOW!! it was super players ripping licks & singin the blues....then we hit Binnion's "Horseshoe" Casino & caught a great Country R&B band in the CMT lounge on stage, after that at around midnight we hit the Waffle house for a great late night breakfast.....Fran would of Loved this! YUMMMYYY! .....I had so much fun, but....., it ain't over yet!! Tonight we are all going to "ERNEST's Orleans restaurant a great Famous Local Restaurant & Club where Don M will be performing
http://www.ernestsorleans.com/

.....more to come stay tuned!! Joe Lee has this all on Video also for DVD's later on when editied.



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#253080 - 01/20/09 07:19 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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WOW! Great report Donny. Sure wish I could have been there instead of shoveling snow up here. Looks like 2010 is when I'll be heading south, either by boat, plane or car--but definitely headed south.

Enjoy the remainder of your stay,

Gary
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#253081 - 01/20/09 07:26 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Thanks DonM for the hard drive info.

80GB is definitely better than 40GB being reported on some European sites. The manual Ketron uploaded a few weeks back is right. Just to see if this 4GB of memory which Ketron UK mentioned to me is correct now. If it is 4GB even if it shares the memory with the internal sounds etc, it's still far more than Korg and Yamaha offer with their arrangers, so roll on Audya.

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#253082 - 01/20/09 07:49 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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AJ said it was 4 gig.
Ian, Donny hasn't played a midi file the whole trip. Everything from styles or full keyboard when someone else is playing. He can really play!
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#253083 - 01/20/09 07:50 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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This was posted on another forum by someone at the Jam, thought it would be of interest here too.

"I was at the jam on Sunday. Unfortunately my wife was feeling unwell all day, and she kept a brave face for as long as she could but eventually we had to leave earlier than planned. Hammers T3 sounded great, I thought much better than the other 'normal' keyboards.
But what about the Audya. I suppose everyone will have their own opinion. This is a Yamaha owners forum, and I am sensitive to that, but for me this instrument was in a different league to any other arranger I have seen, and raises the bar significantly for arrangers. The important sounds are amazingly authentic. Ketron has always been known for this, but there are some improvements - for example the accoustic piano sample is practically perfection, and the human chorus voices so real my wife was convinced it was the vocal harmonizer and AJ was singing. But the two real differentiators are : the use of audio loops rather than midi loops in the styles : and the way a player can control the arranger during performance.
For example you can trigger a break or fill just by pressing the LH chord a bit harder. The keyboard can be split at multiple places and given different voices and all pitched if you want as if they are in the middle of the keyboard. The layering is more innovative than I have seen before because you can make the voice layers respond to the velocity- eg you can have a sax layered with a brass section, and set it so only the sax sounds till you hit it a bit harder and have the brass sound by itself and the sax disappear. Or you can have them layered conventionally, or whatever you want. You can smoothly overlap voice changes by holding a note so the new voice appears over the top of the old. You can float parts in and out of the style on the fly. These are just a few examples of the bewildering range of possibilities.
Audio loops in the styles must be the way of the future. Much less mechanical and the bass and drums will even change their riffs during a style variation depending on how you play - just like real players.
It has 76 semi weighted keys. seems built like a tank and has performance features I never even dreamed of, way too many to describe here. Nothing about the cost yet, but if it was thousands more than the T3 it would seem about right, however, surprisingly the rumor is it may be a similar price.
I was quite skeptical about the way that they announced the Audya two years ago then failed to produce it, and I am sure its still something of a work in progress, eg only a proportion of the styles use audio loops. There may be some layout things that can be improved, and all this functionality probably means a significant time investment to become expert, but nonetheless, this seems genuine step change. If the designers at Yamaha, Korg and Roland are not huddled up trying to figure out how they can respond, they certainly should be.
Mike"

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#253084 - 01/20/09 08:13 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by DonM:

Ian, Donny hasn't played a midi file the whole trip. Everything from styles or full keyboard when someone else is playing. He can really play!
DonM
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#253085 - 01/20/09 08:31 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Quote:
Originally posted by DonM:
AJ said it was 4 gig.
Ian, Donny hasn't played a midi file the whole trip. Everything from styles or full keyboard when someone else is playing. He can really play!
DonM



I'm relieved to hear that, Don ...and I'm glad you guys are having a great time...wish I could have been there.

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#253086 - 01/20/09 10:19 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Quote:
Originally posted by DonM:
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Ian, Donny hasn't played a midi file the whole trip. Everything from styles or full keyboard when someone else is playing. He can really play!
DonM


I am glad that has finally been put to rest !!!
To quote Dire Straits:
"He got the action, he got the motion
Yeah, the boy can play
Dedication, devotion,
Turning all the night time into the day"

Way to go, Donny ...

t.

PS DAMN I wish I could have been there ...
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#253087 - 01/20/09 02:30 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Sorry, AJ, I am still not sure I am on the same page as you... (must be my thick head )

It's not what chords the Audya RECOGNIZES (that's a function of it's chord recognition algorithm, and I would expect that it recognizes what you play as well as any other arranger)... it's how many chord types dopes it PLAY.

In other words, on the audio track, if I play a C6,9 does the audio track play a C6,9 or does it just play a C? If I play a Cmin(maj7), does the audio track play a Cmin(maj7), or does it just play a Cmin?

I'm sorry, but I get the impression you are dancing around this issue... I can't see how I could have asked the question any clearer in the past or now... But I have a feeling that you could EASILY be clearer in your answer.

Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
How many chord types have been recorded? It's a simple question...


The question WAS asked. Could I PLEASE have an answer...?

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#253088 - 01/20/09 02:34 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Quote:
Originally posted by tony mads usa:
I am glad that has finally been put to rest !!!
Way to go, Donny ...

t.

PS [b]DAMN
I wish I could have been there ...

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we are having a grand old time here In Shreveport.....I got another few things on my dream list out of the way.....For breakfast Don M took me to the best Po' Boy sandwich restaurant in town....OMG!!! I had hugh Deep Fried Shrimp Po'Boy sandwich...it was awesome, with about 20 big shrimp coated in a light seasoned batter on soft Home baked Long rolls with lettuce tomato & Remoulade Sauce YUMMMYYY!! Then off to big music store for some shopping & meeting some of Don's good friends all musicians....we proceeded after that to go setup for tonight's Gig at Ernest's Orleans restaurant where Don & myself will perform....after a few sound checks we took a break & now dream number two.......Susan Mason again didn't disappoint me and bought a Madi Gras "KINGS CAKE"... OMG!!!! it's soooo good I always wanted to try one!!....
Now were getting dressed for tonight and I'll have more to come after we have some Marinated Giant Crab Claws & Steaks at Ernest's then the jam begins on stage for the paying audience ........this here Jersey cowboy gonna kick some butt tonight!!

l8tr



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#253090 - 01/20/09 09:25 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Just got home from one of the greatest nights of music that I ever had...OMG!!!!!


Too tired to post until I fly home tomorrow...

Stay tuned

I'm using DonM's computer btw,
DNJ

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#253091 - 01/21/09 03:17 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Donny, I'm glad to see that when it came to eating healthy, you were strong enough to overcome your own willpower. Careful you don't get mistaken for Joey Defrancesco by the time you get back. Better start getting used to your new nickname.....Donny "Fats" Pesce .

Glad you enjoyed the local cuisine. I'll be going down there (NOLA) in the spring, so I'll be looking forward to it.

chas

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#253092 - 01/21/09 04:09 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Donny and DonM wow!!! You guys tore it up in the South. Wish I had been there.

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#253093 - 01/21/09 05:24 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Well I', back in snow country. I sure had a great time at the jam. I must thank Don Mason and his lovely wife Susan. They are the greatest hosts in the world! They showed us an awesome time. It was a thrill for me to meet all of the people there and jam with them. I think Donny, Don and I could have played together for the rest of the week. I sure would have loved it. If you weren't there you missed something very special. I made some really good friends. I know I'll be running up the road to see Donny Pesce on a regular basis, and I'll have to go back to Shreveport to see Don at Ernest's. It was a great time and I thank you all.

Joe

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#253094 - 01/21/09 08:20 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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And finally, for everyone that enjoyed the wonderful hospitality and food at the Shreveport Jam, there are four words to keep in mind "South Beach--Phase One." Yep, time to shed those pounds.

Sure wish I could have been there. Next year for sure.

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#253095 - 01/21/09 08:45 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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DIKI's question still remains unanswered...

i agree, BIG difference between "Recognizing" and actually PLAYING" the chords, (Diki referring to actual AUDIO grooves, not midi playing complex chords)

will the AUDYA's AUdio grooves play lets say a CMaj7+5, or Cm7 add11, C7+13, ???

AJ?

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#253096 - 01/21/09 12:20 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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I took Diki's suggestion and played a C6,9 chord on my G70. It played it just fine but the difference between that and a C6 were barely noticable by my trained ear. I also tried the Cmin(maj7)what an awful sounding chord. In the performance of a tune there wouldn't be one person in a thousand that would notice the difference between a C6 and a C6,9. Diki's original skepticism was about more normal chords like diminished, minor 7ths, 6ths, augmenteds, and such. When the report came out that the normal chords worked he had to change it. Including 6/9 chords and minor major 7ths is a real leap.

We've heard reports by some of our members who have been playing arrangers for years that the Audya sets the bar much higher than the current batch of arrangers.

If this is the greatest sounding arranger ever, a cut above the rest, I'm not going to pass it up just because it won't play a few of the more obscure chords that the audience wouldn't notice anywhy. What they will notice is the realism and great sound.

The question is moot.

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#253097 - 01/21/09 12:51 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Moot to you...

Sorry, old boy, but you've never played a tune with a chromatic descending line over a minor chord? Cm - Cm(maj7) - Cm7 - Cm6?

Too weird?

And if YOU can't hear the difference between a C6 and a C6,9, that's fortunately not MY problem. I can. Many here can. And the chord is widely used.

But what is amusing is first I am criticized for not having played the thing before I talk about loop issues, small sampler sizes, things like that, and here you are, as far removed from a try as me, and you are definitively stating that it is good enough...

I guess that for YOU, trying it first is not needed for an opinion. It's just ME that shouldn't have one, eh?

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#253098 - 01/21/09 01:09 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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And no, if you had bothered to read my posts more than just cursorily, you would have seen that I was NEVER in doubt about the basic chords. Yes, it has GOT to have maj, min, dim, and aug or it won't work AT ALL.

But all the extensions? My point all along has been that Yamaha's Mega voice technology, and Korg's Guitar modes are capable of VERY realistic guitar parts without forgoing the ability to play more complex chords. And all that is needed to make them even better is simply better samples (which may come out in future models, whereupon you can set these styles to use them). They are editable (should you want a slightly different picking or strumming pattern), and you can easily change the guitar sound for a different flavor to the same style.

Loops CANNOT do this. All they are is all they are. Initially VERY impressive, but unless you are the type that NEVER changes a ROM style, NEVER needs more styles than the ROM provides, and NEVER tries to create your own styles (Ketron have already acknowledged how difficult this is to do), I can imagine them tiring on you quite quickly.

If I were restricted to ONLY the ROM styles that came with my G70, I would be in trouble. What percentage of styles that YOU use are ROM? Unaltered? Unedited..? Now imagine that, unless you are willing to suffer a VERY noticeable drop in sound quality, that's all you could use...

Not a very appetizing prospect, is it..? This is why I have been saying all along that the commitment to a constant stream of new 'live loop' styles from Ketron is going to be essential. Of course, in these troubled economic times, what guarantee would we have that Ketron even survive, let alone toss us this bone with (as I have explained) little expectation of much return on their investment?

But go ahead and buy one... maybe from an owner, I will FINALLY get an unambiguous answer to my query...

How many different chord types and EXTENSIONS have been recorded, per style?
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#253099 - 01/21/09 01:46 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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I just got back from delivering DNJ to catch his flight in Dallas. Now for an hour nap and back to work as usual.
I had a GREAT time.
Tom,
You'll love the Audya!

Dikki, I use all the basic chords and 6ths, 9ths, dim, aug, etc. I don't use any more complex, at least on purpose. Sorry I didn't understand the full nature of your question, but I'll have one soon enough and I'll try again for you.
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#253100 - 01/21/09 02:07 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Thanks, Don.

Tom..... Look, I've got reservations... It doesn't mean that the product is BAD! It just means I've got reservations. I've got those about the G70. Didn't stop me from getting one.

But I feel that if we discuss the issues (and what the hell else are we here for? Hat advice from Donny? ), perhaps a manufacturer might realize they exist... and do something about it. My feeling is that 'live loop' technology comes along JUST as we are starting to get VERY good MIDI production of guitar playing.

Mega Voice emulation, especially with the T3's new guitar specific NTT's, and Korg's Guitar Mode is very good. Is it as good as a loop? No. Of course not. UNTIL you want to change it. Whereupon, with the loop, you are screwed. Drum emulation is getting extraordinarily good with multi-velocity drum samples with variable room samples, and patterns played on electronic drum kits by REAL drummers, using those samples. Is it as good as a loop? No, it is not... UNTIL you want to change anything. Whereupon, with the loop, you are screwed.

These are reservations... It doesn't preclude me using an Audya (bought my lottery ticket today!), but it's a worthy (IMHO) topic of discussion on an arranger players forum. You may think differently. Let's NOT discuss anything to do with this...

Starting with you
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#253101 - 01/21/09 03:49 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ketron_AJ:
... whew ... after a 2hr delay in TX (due to snow in Philly), I can safely say I'm back home now. I need to hit the sheets, but wanted to check out the forums first ... see if I had any questions.

Dikki - For the AUDIO parts/Loops (even when soloed as we did today (Monday) with the UNPLUGGED Styles to show of just how the audio ALONE sounded), ALL chord parts have been taken into consideration (hence some of the delay in the release) - meaning when you play (e.g an A chord), all extentions/variations of the A chord - (dim, 9th, Maj, Min, Min7th, AUG ... etc) are recognized by the AUDIO and MIDI parts of AUDYA. Because we streem the Audio directly from the HD, memory wasn't an issue here.

I hope this answers your question (at leat this one about chord recognition). If not, please let me know (with examples) and I will respond with "Yes/No" if a chord type you list is not currently recognized.

Thanks ... going to bed now.

AJ


Unless I am missing something here AJ answered the question directly. He started his answer talking about the audio part and not the midi. He also stated that the audio loops can play extentions. "when you play (e.g an A chord), all extentions/variations of the A chord - (dim, 9th, Maj, Min, Min7th, AUG ... etc) are recognized by the AUDIO and MIDI". So am I reading it wrong?
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#253102 - 01/21/09 04:09 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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So...will it play an Amin/maj7th, or an A7b9...or an A6add9?

What about bass inversions or do the audio tracks always play the root...or leave it out?

You wanted us to ask.

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#253103 - 01/21/09 04:32 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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He stated what would be RECOGNIZED... not what would actually play.

Look, it's simple. Each style needs three audio loops to cover the three different tempo ranges they cover. Then they need 12 different versions of each tempo range for all twelve keys (unless there is some realtime pitch transposing, which hasn't been mentioned), then they need at least the major chord types (maj, min. dim, sus4 and aug). Now that is 180 loops.

But add in 7ths, maj7ths, 6ths, 6/9's, dim6ths, half dims, 7b10 (or #9's if you prefer!), sus4's, and so on and so forth, and you are talking a MASSIVE amount of loops that need to be loaded up for each style, or if they stream in realtime (hard to imagine this without at least preloading the first part of the loop), at least a MASSIVE number of different loops that need to be recorded (and this is going to effect cost and availability).

And this is just for ONE variation... multiply it by four if the audio part changes between variations (one would hope this!), and you start to see the problem...

If simple basic chords are all you need or expect from the guitar part, this should not be a problem. But when Yamaha and Korg manage quite complex guitar playing very realistically and yet STILL don't restrict your chord choices, at least to me it seems obvious which is the technology of the future and the present.

Loops provide a great shortcut to sonic bliss on the guitar part, but it comes at a price. What that price is, I have yet to be informed. But put it this way... I certainly NEVER get a 'you REALLY don't need me to play that chord' comment from any REAL guitarist when asked to play a Min(maj7) chord.
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#253104 - 01/21/09 04:53 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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the way i see it is that most people don't know how to play those complex chords so they don't care if the AUDYA plays them or not....

BUT, Diki asks some VERY valid and SIMPLE questions, for which have NOT YET been answered...

DOES or DOESN'T the AUDYA play ALL Chords and ALL variations of the Chord (via AUDIO)?

Diki wants to know which chords the AUDIO handles and which chords the midi handles...

And i too am interested in knowing...

What are the AUDYA's chord limitations (with audio loops)?


AJ? can you answer?
inquiring minds want to know...

no more "beating around the bush"...

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#253105 - 01/21/09 05:00 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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This great Jam wasn't only about the Audya far from it. maybe a new Audya thread is in order. Or new jam post.

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#253106 - 01/21/09 05:43 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Diki,

I didn't say I couldn't hear the difference, what I said was it is barely noticable for the fleeting second or two the chord is played. Start the arranger, solo the acc part on the g70, start a style, play C,E,G,A. Now add the "D" to the chord, big difference huh? Now add back in drums, bass and the rest and tell me how big a deal it is to add the 9th.

Yes I have played that progression but as a moving progression never with a C,Eb,G,B all held down at the same time. The second Dm progression in "After The Loving" does exactly what you were saying.

Diki, we just disagree on this one and it's time to put it behind us and move on and make music.

Tom
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#253107 - 01/21/09 09:11 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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"He stated what would be RECOGNIZED... not what would actually play."
actually, if an audio track recognizes a cord type that would mean that it plays it unless again I am missing something. One of the questions to ask is if The audio tracks are just playing the 1 and 5 of the chord so extentions on the audio track may not be relevant as it relates to the over all sound of the style.
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#253108 - 01/21/09 10:08 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Dikki,

Sorry for the mis-interpretation. When I wrote 'recognized', I ment both - recognized and played - no use to an end-user if an Arranger recognizes chords but can't play them.

AUDYA will recognize AND PLAY ALL chord types meaning all variations of the following chords:-
A, B, C, D, E, F, G.

This is a huge data base of AUDIO which is streemed from the Hard Drive in real time.

Hope this clears this up, and sorry for getting to you later - I've been rather occupied lately.

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#253109 - 01/21/09 10:31 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Dikki.

Looking back at another question you asked, we have a new KETRON feature called AUDIO STYLE MODELING. This permits the user to replace the audio parts of styles (Drums, Bass and Chord 5) with many from an on-board libruary. The same can also be done for the Audio or Midi Arps and licks (Assigned to Chord 4). In AUTO mode, a Style can be made to sound different EACH TIME YOU PLAY since the audio part-selection can be switched at will (meaning different loops used at different intervals within the same Arranger), breathing 'life' in to your Style and eliminating the loops- feeling usually associated with Arrangers.

As for the Bass, we have a feature which after a couple of redundant chord progressions, the BASS (and in some cases the guitars too) automatically 'plays' bass notes/parts (or walking bass lines) leading to the next predicted chord. This is hard to explain with words but better to explain with an example (which we'll soon have up). Ofcourse all of these INTERACTIVE ARRANGER tools can be disabled by the user when they wish.

Thanks,

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#253110 - 01/22/09 07:22 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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AJ, so you are saying EVERY chord type was recorded for EVERY audio part/style/break/ fill/variation..no matter how complex the chord?

i find that very hard to believe

no offense but...
i'll believe it when i HEAR it...

see you in NY...let us know the NY date/time/place

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#253111 - 01/22/09 11:00 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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leezone,

I am certain AJ is not out to misrepresent a product.. Basically you are questioning his integrity not only as a musician, but as an employee of Ketron.

Personally, I am tired of all the redundant questioning of the chord recognition ...

If you have any more doubt, wait to see it in person...
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#253112 - 01/22/09 11:46 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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OK, so, just to put this to bed (wouldn't want to upset any of our members who seem to be averse to any investigation short of playing the damn thing ),

If I PLAY a C7#9, the Audya's audio track WILL play a C7#9 chord, and not just a C7 chord? It's the extensions I am most concerned about (for now! Wait until I get going about how the loop audio handles played chord changes at odd times or slightly late!).

Tom... I've already put this behind us But seeing as it was Ketron I was asking this information from, rather than you (who felt duty bound to spring in to the defense of this poor, poor maligned arranger manufacturer!), would you mind if I got this answered to MY satisfaction, and not yours?

You may not give a rats whether certain chords get played or not... Is it OK with you if I do...? No?

Sorry...
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#253113 - 01/22/09 12:20 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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i'm not accusing anyone of misrepresentation...

but saying "it plays all variations of chords" does not mean the same to everyone...

not saying either that AJ is not well versed in music theory either...

i know what would put this issue to rest,
a quick simple video of the AUDYA's audio tracks playing complex chords...

or i guess we gots to wait..

again, i will believe it when i hear it, until then i am NOT convinced, no matter what ANYONE says...

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#253114 - 01/22/09 12:38 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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There's got to be a list SOMEWHERE at Ketron that details which chords were recorded...
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#253115 - 01/22/09 12:49 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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i just CANNOT imagine asking the guitar player to record ALL possible chords, on ALL styles/fills/variations/breaks/ etc...

can you Diki?

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#253116 - 01/22/09 01:00 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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I have already voiced my doubt at this.

To be honest, I still think I'm getting the runaround.

But let's suppose I am NOT... They have a recording of every possible chord you could ever want, with all it's extensions and suspensions. How complex do you think recording all that was? What are the odds that you think that YOU could do that yourself, should you decide to make a style yourself (it happens, you know! )?

What do you think the odds are that Ketron themselves are going to be spitting out tons of new styles when it apparently IS as complex as this? To my mind, it's a Catch-22.... Either there aren't a whole lot of chord extensions covered, in which case the odds of lots of styles go UP, or they have them ALL covered, in which case the odds of a quickly expanding library go down.

It's hard to imagine BOTH cases being true.
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#253117 - 01/22/09 01:06 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Dang, Dikki, it just may not be the keyboard for you.
Only time will tell, conjecture will NOT.
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#253118 - 01/22/09 01:08 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Diki,
I don't care either. I hope you get your answer. I hope to see it in Fort Wayne in March.

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#253119 - 01/22/09 01:36 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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leezone,

I am certain AJ is not out to misrepresent a product.. Basically you are questioning his integrity not only as a musician, but as an employee of Ketron.

Personally, I am tired of all the redundant questioning of the chord recognition ...

If you have any more doubt, wait to see it in person...



Now there is a great post....thanx Dan

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#253120 - 01/22/09 01:38 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Quote:
Originally posted by DonM:
Only time will tell, conjecture will NOT.


Bull... Time won't tell. Ketron could say RIGHT NOW

This is no more a secret to Ketron than whether it has USB1 or USB2. No conjecture involved... other than from us while we wait, and wait, and wait for an answer from Ketron.

Want the conjecture to stop? ANSWER THE BLOODY QUESTION.

Simple as that.
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#253121 - 01/22/09 01:43 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Quote:
Originally posted by DanO1:
Personally I am tired of all the redundant questioning of the chord recognition ...


And I am tired of all the redundant evasion of the question.

We get it, Dan.... YOU DON'T KNOW.

But I wasn't really asking you. I was asking Ketron. AJ, or anyone who knows. Not you...

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#253122 - 01/22/09 03:49 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Bull... Time won't tell. Ketron could say RIGHT NOW

This is no more a secret to Ketron than whether it has USB1 or USB2. No conjecture involved... other than from us while we wait, and wait, and wait for an answer from Ketron.

Want the conjecture to stop? ANSWER THE BLOODY QUESTION.

Simple as that.


Well he did answer the question it is you who is choosing not to believe the answer. Recording all variations may not be the way that Ketron gets the audio tracks of the Audia to recognize extentions of chords.
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#253123 - 01/22/09 05:15 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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to the genesys

You are correct (above)!! But unfortunatly, I can't say much more on this (nor how we did it).

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#253124 - 01/22/09 07:46 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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I had a feeling that not all chords were recorded,

i guess it's something like individual notes are recorded,
and then triggered,
combined as per chord played
then chord plays, perhaps???

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#253125 - 01/22/09 07:49 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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so it works exactly like midi,
but instead of trigerring a midi note,
it triggers the audio corresponding to that note or those notes...

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#253126 - 01/22/09 09:02 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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DIKI

You have the venerable unrivaled G70. Why would you even care this much about another Arranger.

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#253127 - 01/23/09 02:24 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Quote:
Originally posted by leezone:
so it works exactly like midi,
but instead of trigerring a midi note,
it triggers the audio corresponding to that note or those notes...


Uh, that doesn't make much sense to me. That sounds like a garden variety sampler. That's not "exactly like midi", that IS midi. Plus, where does the 'audio loop' come in? This just sounds like describing the sound source for an individual note. I thought the whole concept of an 'arranger' was that a specific chord would trigger a (in the case of the Audya) pre-recorded audio loop (of up to 'X' bars). Am I missing something here? I could be. I'm not that bright.

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#253128 - 01/23/09 05:33 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Maybe they use loops where applicable, and individial notes or slices elsewhere:

1) Drums use loops: you can't (I mean don't need) to transpose, there are no chords etc.

2) Accompaniment uses individual notes to "assemble" a chord, avoiding the need to record multiple loops per style/variation, as AJ stated.

One way to achieve this would be to use a real guitarist to record both the audio and the midi events (via a midi converter soemthing). Say we record someone play a chord (say C), over a period of time, some measures, over some different positions on the guitar, (say 4 positions, from lower to higher)

We get the midi notes that capture all the individual micro timings and nuances of his playing (what makes the playing "human"), and store it somewhere.

Then we get the audio and "slice" it horizontally, over time, into individual notes (C and E and G) we now have a set 3 different samples, multiplied by 4 positions, 12 samples on total, in 4 sets. So if we manage to get enough sets, don't we have the ability to play a D (DFA) just by playing the original "C set" but like (Note 1=2 semitones higher - Note2=1 semitone higher - Note 3=2 semitones higher?

The "feel" of the timing will be there, because that is what we captured with the original midi track, and I think that we will also capture the feel of 3 notes struck together and "belonging" together instead of 3 separate notes "joined" by a traditional ROMpler. And maybe we don't have to retrigger notes in a late chord press, at least in a similar chord because while playing a C and say change to a Cm, we just have to "leave" sets 1 and 3 as they are and transpose the 2nd stream 1 semitone down. Kind of hard to notice in a busy part.

Of course, I don't know one end of the guitar from the other, so this thing might not apply in reality, feel free to say so, or expand the theory.

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#253129 - 01/23/09 05:45 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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another post totaly ruined & off tracked into a pissin contest

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#253130 - 01/23/09 06:46 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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#253131 - 01/23/09 07:05 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Will all thats talk about chord recognition on the Audya, never take a end - AJ have answer the question, this topic is far away form the starting point. Sorry for my english

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#253132 - 01/23/09 07:19 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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#253133 - 01/23/09 07:24 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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get the lock

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#253134 - 01/23/09 07:46 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Don't forget to try the boudin...

Wish I could make it. Have fun, take LOTS of video. And try to find a camcorder with a line in!


Back to the thread subject. My wife had 15 pounds of boudin sent up from South Louisiana. She cooked about five pounds for the Jam.
Joe Lee has about 10 hours of video. He estimates it will take about 80 hours to edit and record it to DVD.
I ran a feed from the main mixer, where all the keyboard were connected, to Joe Lee's mixer. He fed the camera from his mixer, so had a lot of control over the signal.
He phoned yesterday and said he had begun editing and both the video AND audio were very good.
He will make copies of the DVDs available at a nominal cost.
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#253135 - 01/23/09 07:54 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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It was sooooooooooo good!!!!

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#253136 - 01/23/09 08:32 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Joe Lee called me at home yesterday to play me one of my tracks. It sounded great. We had such a good time.

Joe

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#253137 - 01/23/09 09:48 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Originally posted by Ketron_AJ:
But unfortunatly, I can't say much more on this (nor how we did it).

AJ


In other words, I CAN'T answer your question. And WON'T answer your question...

It's a trade secret. OK, I get it. This would have been a lot easier if you had simply said that...

Who's my closest dealer? I live in Destin, FL. Close to Pensacola, or Tallahassee. I guess the only way I'm EVER going to get a straight answer to this is to play one myself... that's the trouble with 'trade secrets' - it really only takes one determined user to figure things out. It's NOT rocket science.

Mind you, this information MIGHT go a long way to letting potential customers decide whether the complexity of making their OWN live loop styles is beyond them or not... Are you telling us that how you prepare the audio for the ROM styles so that they can play any chord or extension will NEVER be made public? This has definitely got to put a brake on users, or third parties, being able to create their own styles...

And leave us essentially entirely in your hands, should we need styles that are NOT part of the ROM
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#253138 - 01/23/09 10:09 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Okay here we go again, DIKI get your self a life.

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#253139 - 01/23/09 10:09 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Diki ...

Have you ever owned a Ketron product ?
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#253140 - 01/23/09 10:44 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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At this level of evasiveness, it seems unlikely I ever will...

I know some of you might have trouble remembering things from week to week, but if anyone even gives a toss, you MIGHT remember I was VERY enthusiastic about the demos. And I also made conjecture that I MIGHT even 'buy to try' if I could find a cheap way of doing that...

Perhaps remembering these facts, you might reconsider whether I'm just out to put down Ketron (which I'm not), or whether I might simply be an informed user of audio loops in a studio, and want some REAL information as to how the Audya manages to pull something off (if it manages at all) that even high power computers and dedicated software has great problems with.

You know, like an informed consumer is supposed to do. It's no coincidence that previous arrangers have lasted me for ten years or so without needing a replacement. I make sure that they do what I want them to do BEFORE I buy them. I know, I know, that's NOT the SZ way...

But it's mine.

I am tempted to personally insult those that think I should 'get a life'. But why respond in kind..? OK, because apparently, they think it's their right. Maybe it's fun... here goes;

So piss off, and let me do my own investigation... Too strong?

OK, just get your OWN life, then...
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#253141 - 01/23/09 10:56 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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ok, now to getting back on track..........
What's boudin?
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#253142 - 01/23/09 11:01 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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was that a yes or no ?
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#253143 - 01/23/09 11:14 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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No, that's a no...

Would you like me to buy one?

Simple answers to simple questions might be a good place to start.

Look guys, sorry to rain on anyone's parade, but the manufacturer's dealers, reps and even designers post here. I am asking THEM these questions. You know, while they are here.

This is a BAD thing?
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#253144 - 01/23/09 12:02 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Quote:
Originally posted by mc:
ok, now to getting back on track..........
What's boudin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudin
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=...snum=1&ct=title

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#253145 - 01/23/09 12:55 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Originally posted by Songman55:
Joe Lee called me at home yesterday to play me one of my tracks. It sounded great. We had such a good time.

Joe



Joe I love that man Joe Lee!!!

Cant wait to get yours & his cd's with Vids.....

get ready for next years jam!!

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#253146 - 01/23/09 12:59 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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No, that's a no...

Would you like me to buy one?

Simple answers to simple questions might be a good place to start.

Look guys, sorry to rain on anyone's parade, but the manufacturer's dealers, reps and even designers post here. I am asking THEM these questions. You know, while they are here.

This is a BAD thing?


T, we had a whole pot of it on the Jam buffett OMG Soooooooooo good!!!

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#253147 - 01/23/09 04:23 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Quote:
Originally posted by mc:
ok, now to getting back on track..........
What's boudin?


I got to watch Mike Roe on on the Discovery Channel's show Dirty Jobs work in a Boudin production shop in Cajun country a few months ago. It was nasty looking stuff, and it was served with Cracklin'. For the most part, none of this fits into any diet, heart-healthy or otherwise.

Glad this thread is headed back on track!

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#253148 - 01/23/09 05:49 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Can't get good boudin north of Bunky, so they say....

Heart healthy or not, this is just one of those things you are better off NOT asking what's in it, how it was made, or grams of fat (trans or otherwise!)...

Just wolf it down and ask for seconds! All with a great creole mustard sauce And crumble the cracklin's on top!
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#253149 - 01/23/09 06:05 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Glad this thread is headed back on track!

Gary


probably too late for that Gary....damage is done...Balloon busted.

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#253150 - 01/24/09 04:35 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Can't get good boudin north of Bunky, so they say....

Heart healthy or not, this is just one of those things you are better off NOT asking what's in it, how it was made, or grams of fat (trans or otherwise!)...

Just wolf it down and ask for seconds! All with a great creole mustard sauce And crumble the cracklin's on top!


Diki, I'm suprised that you are so appreciative of 'Cajun' food, coming, as you do, from the land of tasteless food .

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#253151 - 01/24/09 12:05 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Can't get good boudin north of Bunky, so they say....

Heart healthy or not, this is just one of those things you are better off NOT asking what's in it, how it was made, or grams of fat (trans or otherwise!)...

Just wolf it down and ask for seconds! All with a great creole mustard sauce And crumble the cracklin's on top!


Two things you DON'T want to see being made : sausage and legislation!!! ..

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#253152 - 01/24/09 12:37 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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You haven't watched the Food Network lately, or Anthony Bourdain's show, or the Andrew Zimmerman Bizzare Foods, have you, chas...?:d

Britain is coming back! We always DID have a great cuisine, but it went away for a long time, as post war kids got used to supermarkets and pre-packaged foods (as we did in the US, too).

OTOH, just like Cajun cuisine, often the best of British foods are things that today's more squeamish consumer doesn't really want to know what's in it! Blood suasage, fresh game, artisan cheeses, bread you can't believe... and don't get me started about the seafood and shellfish! So I feel a very strong connection with Cajun food and culture, growing up in the farmlands as I did....

But yes, just like the US (apart from great regional cuisines), food had got pretty bland from England in the sixties and seventies, on the whole. But that is why we love foreign food so much! There's an Indian restaurant on every corner, great Greek and middle eastern food, Chinese is still better over there than all but the best places here, and I'm sorry to say this, but the best pizza I ever had was in Clacton in the UK! Hand tossed artisan gourmet pizza, wood fired ovens and toppings that are only just getting trendy over here... all in the early seventies!

We aren't just Wimpy's (a sort of really BAD Burger King!) and fish and chips, you know!
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#253153 - 01/24/09 12:50 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Anthony Bourdain has put stuff in his mouth that wouldn't get past mY EYES !!!

And the only toppings a pizza needs is good tomato sauce with oregano and olive oil, fresh mozzarella and good Reggiano Parmigiano - for variety some fresh riccota cheese, sausage and mushrooms are okay ... ...

t.

PS Fish and chips - YUMMMMMMMMMMM
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#253154 - 01/24/09 12:54 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Wow ! ....a Multi Lane Off Topic

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#253155 - 01/24/09 01:38 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Life's way too short to stay on topic.

Anybody playing on Valentine's Day?
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#253156 - 01/24/09 01:39 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Wow ! ....a Multi Lane Off Topic


Wow! A non-comment comment!

Surely you can find a URL to post here, Donny?

Next time you have a conversation with friends, keep jumping in every time they start to talk about something else than how the discussion started, no matter how briefly. Make snide comments. See how they respond...

Lord, sometimes I worry...

How come those that quite often go OT on OTHER threads get so indignant when it happens one one they don't WANT it to? You have to practice what you preach before anyone gives a rats...
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#253157 - 01/24/09 01:46 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Originally posted by tony mads usa:
the only toppings a pizza needs is good tomato sauce with oregano and olive oil, fresh mozzarella and good Reggiano Parmigiano - for variety some fresh riccota cheese, sausage and mushrooms are okay ... ...


I guess those pesky Italians might disagree with you on that one... Pizza Margherita. YUMMMMMM!

But what would the Italians know about pizza and it's toppings?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_pizza
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#253158 - 01/24/09 01:46 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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#253159 - 01/24/09 02:37 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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The Boudin we had was NOT the blood type.
I am not a big fan of Boudin of any type; I am enough Native American to like Buffalo steaks.
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#253160 - 01/24/09 03:06 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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The Boudin we had was NOT the blood type.
I am not a big fan of Boudin of any type; I am enough Native American to like Buffalo steaks.
DonM


Don if Susan makes it I eat it

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#253161 - 01/24/09 03:14 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Originally posted by tony mads usa:
And the only toppings a pizza needs is good tomato sauce with oregano and olive oil, fresh mozzarella and good Reggiano Parmigiano - for variety some fresh riccota cheese, sausage and mushrooms are okay ... ...

t.



Yep...just tomato sauce and good Reggiano Parmigiano for me...no meat...awesome.
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#253162 - 01/24/09 03:36 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Pizza Hut. Pepperoni, extra cheese. Yummmmmy!

chas (Ugly American and soon-to-be heart patient)

PS: Uh, make that Deep Dish.
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#253163 - 01/24/09 04:20 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Don if Susan makes it I eat it



She doesn't make boudin. As Dikki said, it HAS to come from South Louisiana. You can't even buy it up here in the North, at least not the good stuff.
Believe it or not, her specialty is spaghetti.
When I met her 30 years ago it was the only thing she knew how to make!
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#253164 - 01/24/09 08:38 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Don.... I am shocked. Having had dinner with you at the casino buffet...I was sure you never met a meal you didn't like.

BTW... so sorry I couldn't make the Jam this year. January - March is my Prime Time and almost impossible to get away. I am glad everyone had a great time....You are a super host to be sure.

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#253165 - 01/24/09 09:45 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
I guess those pesky Italians might disagree with you on that one... Pizza Margherita. YUMMMMMM!

But what would the Italians know about pizza and it's toppings?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_pizza


Pizza Margherita - tomato , mozzarella, basil ... so I forgot the basil ... one of the great aromas of the world ...

t.
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#253166 - 01/24/09 09:51 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Originally posted by cgiles:
Pizza Hut. Pepperoni, extra cheese. Yummmmmy!

chas (Ugly American and soon-to-be heart patient)

PS: Uh, make that Deep Dish.


PIZZA HUT ?!?!? ... might as well go to 'Wimpy's' for a 'burger !!!
The only thing Pizza Hut has in common with REAL pizza is the spelling of the word on the menu !!!
C'mon. chas ... you GOTTA do better than PIZZA HUT !!! :

t.



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#253167 - 01/25/09 03:44 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by DonM:
[b]
Ian, Donny hasn't played a midi file the whole trip. Everything from styles or full keyboard when someone else is playing. He can really play!
DonM
[/QUOTE

Shhhhhhhhhh

Let's Jam baby!

[/B]


Just thinking again about this good news, Don.

Now Donny has NO EXCUSE not to send me via private e-mail(he has my addy) a nice simple instrumental played by him on his dandy little Yamaha PSR-S900.

A MIDI is required, as I'd like to hear it directly on my S900...any old tune or standard will do just fine...As Time Goes By, or something along those lines.

Yep, I'm really glad you mentioned this...I'm looking forward to finally hearing those fabulous fingers coaxing out a lovely instrumental....I sent him several tunes already that I played on my S900, and it's about time he has returned the favor.

That can't be too much to ask from a talented pro like Donny?

Ian
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#253168 - 01/25/09 04:07 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Originally posted by tony mads usa:
PIZZA HUT ?!?!? ... might as well go to 'Wimpy's' for a 'burger !!!
The only thing Pizza Hut has in common with REAL pizza is the spelling of the word on the menu !!!
C'mon. chas ... you GOTTA do better than PIZZA HUT !!! :

t.



Tony, you gotta start learning to recognize when I'm kidding. The best pizza around here (Brick Oven) has (oddly) Korean ownership and management. Go figure. Maybe they're Italian-Korean-Americans? They also have the best lasagna on the planet. A list of heart surgeons is printed on the back of each menu. Heck, gotta go sometime [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/smile.gif[/img].

chas
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#253169 - 01/25/09 04:11 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Did you ever see the customers in a health-food store? They are pale, skinny people who look half dead.

In a pizza place, or steak house you see robust, happy people.

They're dying of course but they look terrific.
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#253170 - 01/25/09 06:49 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Oh my, I can't believe I wasted about 15 minutes reading every post in this thread. Wow, here we go again.

Anyway, I enjoyed meeting the people I've never met. Some very good musicians in this bunch!

Thanks to AJ for making the effort to bring that new machine to us. And thanks to Don for his preparation, hosting and hospitality, to Susan and Jay for the food, and to Joe Lee for giving IMMENSE amounts of his time to recording/editing video.
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#253171 - 01/25/09 06:51 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Bill it was a fun time jammin with ya....lets do it again for sure!!

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#253172 - 01/25/09 09:13 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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... and thanks to Bill (semilive). I was having serious back trouble. Bill came to my house, loaded all the gear, part in my van and part in his truck. Then he unloaded it all at the Jam, helped set it up, and did the same routine AFTER the Jam.
He also helped MC the Jam and contributed some great music.
Eddie, we may have to have a small jam in the summer!
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#253173 - 01/25/09 09:40 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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I realize the guys up north are busy in the summers, which is really my soft season. But April sounds like a good compromise. We might even be able to tempt Donny, if food is involved.

Eddie

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#253174 - 01/25/09 10:55 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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January 24,25,26,27 2010

I've already blocked it out on my schedule.

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#253175 - 01/25/09 03:37 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Donny,

Where did you get those dates, and are they etched in stone?

Gary
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#253176 - 01/25/09 03:44 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Donny,

Where did you get those dates, and are they etched in stone?

Gary


Pretty much Gary.....this way we're in-between NAMM & Superbowl Sunday. Get ready this Jam is an ongoing annual thing now.

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#253177 - 01/26/09 09:08 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Nothing says we can't have spring/summer AND a January edition.
It will be tough to find dates that suit everybody.
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#253178 - 01/26/09 09:43 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Originally posted by cgiles:
Tony, you gotta start learning to recognize when I'm kidding. The best pizza around here (Brick Oven) has (oddly) Korean ownership and management. Go figure. Maybe they're Italian-Korean-Americans? They also have the best lasagna on the planet. A list of heart surgeons is printed on the back of each menu. Heck, gotta go sometime .

chas



chas ... sometimes that can be tough in the 'digital-talk' world ...
but while I was HOPING it was 'tongue-in-cheek' (hence all my 'smileys' in my response), I have some friends who have moved to southern states only to find that 'chain-store pizza' is about all they can get ...
And while we all - well at least a good majority of us - like to believe that OUR OWN ethnic food can only be made by people of our own ethnicity because it has to 'come from the heart, nowadays with people of all ethnic backgrounds being interested in just making really good food, we find first class chefs of any ethnic background making great dishes of any OTHER ethnic background ...
If the recipe is great and followed perfectly, more often than not the final product is great, no matter who is at the stove ...
Just watch the Food Network enough and you will see what I mean ... ...

And not that I want to find something to disagree with you on, but the "best lasagna on the planet' comes from Lydia's kitchen ... NO ONE in our family or anywhere else makes it better ... I am a VERY lucky man !!!
And as a great chef once said, "We are concerned with taste, we cannot worry about your health!!!"

t.
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#253179 - 01/26/09 09:45 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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They're dying of course ....


Aren't we ALL?!?!? ... ENJOY every DAY !!!
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#253180 - 01/26/09 09:48 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Aren't we ALL?!?!?



Not me...I'm going to live forever...so far, so good.
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#253181 - 01/26/09 10:04 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Not me...I'm going to live forever...so far, so good.


"Have you known so and so all your life?" ... "Not YET, I haven't!" .. ...
Best wishes on your quest ian ...
t.



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#253182 - 01/26/09 11:15 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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"Have you known so and so all your life?" ... "Not YET, I haven't!" .. ...
Best wishes on your quest ian ...
t.


People would ask my Uncle Jim if he lived all his life in Glace Bay.

He always replied, "Not yet!"
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#253183 - 01/26/09 06:31 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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#253184 - 01/26/09 06:38 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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"Dance as if no one's watching, sing as if no one's listening, and live everyday as if it were your last."


Yep...live everyday as if it were your last...sooner or later, you'll be right.
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#253185 - 01/27/09 06:04 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Hey, I'm seriously into that Live For The Day stuff. Carpay Deeyum, as they say in Redneck Land.

dnj, thank you for the pics. Now *I* know... you know more songs by heart than anyone I know! Got it going on! You got passion, which is the world's most valuable commodity. In business, in love, in most anything, passion wins.

Thanks again to Joe Lee Richards, slave of North Arkansas, (should I coin that?) for his generosity in recording all of this stuff. He deserves a medal. Or Jack and Coke. Tip? Or something.

Oh, wait... I did buy him dinner at Ernest's! Hey, I've done my part. Everybody send him $28!
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#253186 - 01/27/09 07:58 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Bill,

Thanx so much .....it was so much fun meeting you and Jammin for a few days...
I really enjoyed you playing & wonderful singing!! I told ya this here Jersey boy can play country My dates are already blocked out for the next Jam so I'll see you real soon, we'll do it again for sure..& that Steak at Ernest's was FANTASTIC!!

take care

D.

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#253187 - 01/27/09 09:27 PM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Donny, when I got to Ernest's tonight, he asked me if I was hungry. Of course I was.
He prepared a Mufaletta that put the ones we had to SHAME. It featured Italian Sausage and was so big I could only eat half of it.
However, I am now preparing to finish off the other half as I unwind. YUM!
DonM
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#253188 - 01/28/09 08:19 AM Re: 09 Shreveport Arranger Jam!
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Donny, when I got to Ernest's tonight, he asked me if I was hungry. Of course I was.
He prepared a Mufaletta that put the ones we had to SHAME. It featured Italian Sausage and was so big I could only eat half of it.
However, I am now preparing to finish off the other half as I unwind. YUM!
DonM


Oh man Don.....Your killing me here!! After I talked with you last night I couldn't get all the great food at Ernest's that night we played there out of my mind ..Those Marinated Crab Claws, Fillet Seafood Gumbo & Ernest's Special Steak still lingers on my tongue!!! That Muffaletta sounds awesome YUMMMMY!!...I can't wait to get back down South & do it again maybe I'll extend my stay .....it's only 11 months away until the next Jam so the pictures & Videos & DVD's I have will have to suffice to get me through till then.
I know we'll have even more people next year also to enjoy it, Mark your Calendars my friends.!
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