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#229119 - 03/13/08 09:02 AM Re: Audya video
Dnj Offline
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Originally posted by Ketron_AJ:
You asked for individual voices ... we responded today Thr. (Pls. - do not mind me shaking with the camera ... had to capture as much as I could and this isn't my profession anyway ).
http://www.ketron.it/musikmesse2008/index.asp#

Anyway, here you get an idea of some of the individual sounds plus changing chords regardless of where in the measure!!

We can't disclose 'how' we do it (it's our secret) however AUDYA (with the audio loops where applicable) will be able to recognize and properly play back all 32 relative chord irrespective of WHEN the chord is played within the measure. For on board styles, samples will be stored in ROM (no HD streaming in this case). If a new style is loaded from disk, all relative samples and 'parts' will be loaded as well (using the new P3 intel chip has made this rather easier!)

More to follow!

AJ



AJ thanx for the demos they are very interesting so far .....hope to see many more Audya features shown off soon.

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#229120 - 03/13/08 10:22 AM Re: Audya video
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Hey Diki ..

Sorry I said "slam" .. Dan O'
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#229121 - 03/13/08 12:12 PM Re: Audya video
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If Audya can achieve what this achieves http://www.celemony.com/dna_standalone/eu/dna.html then

Wow
It really does take arrangers to a new level.

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#229122 - 03/13/08 01:33 PM Re: Audya video
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abacus,

This is similar to what we're doing - hence not all chords need to be sampled ... just the strategic few! Ofcourse when you look at Audio drums, Audio Bass, Audio chord parts, a lot of processing is required for real-time (unlike say the example shown here which is close anyway) -
http://www.celemony.com/dna_standalone/eu/dna.html

... which is why the Intel P3 becomes useful to upgrade to. Audya also has the AI to react in real time/live to the chord changes either via Arranger chord input, or Midifiles or both. So even a Midifile (the way you see and hear it now) will be perfected with Audya! Notice the difference in the fluence of chord changes from the Prototypes we have now versus those shown at the Namm 2008 or Frankfurt 2007 shows!! A P4 might eventually be used, but not yet confirmed.

Thanks,

AJ
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#229123 - 03/13/08 02:21 PM Re: Audya video
LIONSTRACS Offline
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some here do not mach..i'm totally now confused..

AJ wrote:
We can't disclose 'how' we do it (it's our secret) however AUDYA (with the audio loops where applicable) will be able to recognize and properly play back all 32 relative chord irrespective of WHEN the chord is played within the measure. For on board styles, samples will be stored in ROM (no HD streaming in this case). If a new style is loaded from disk, all relative samples and 'parts' will be loaded as well (using the new P3 intel chip has made this rather easier!)

Well, for me now don't seem one secret, because after see again the Robert video demo at position: 02:05 he say that for each chord give a totally different audio loops. This is the same way tat we use on Qranger too, but without tracks audio-midi-effects limitation.

In the Audya specification is written: 360Mb ROM ( 32 rewritable) and another 64Mb for the sampler instruments, 197 voice, it mean that you have used 2 Dream chip.

Now the news is the new P3 Intel chipset 8 possible to upgrade to P4). P3 can manage 2Gb RAM and P4 more than 16Gb RAM.

If give this possibility, why to use the 360Mb ROM flash expensive when is possible use 1 or more Gb of the PC ram?
This mean that audya still continue use the Dream chip features, with limited memory and DSP processing.
Is really simple to know if i'm right, just let us see how much time need the Audya for loading a new Style in ram.
P3 Intel need only 2-4 seconds for loading 64Mb data in Ram.

I have installed my PCI 9708 Eva board in one AMD 64bit X2 dual core 4800+ and loading 64Mb data need the same time like used under ISA bus, about 8 minute.

Maybe I'm wrong but you can correct me.
(is 8 years now that I develope PCB boards, VGA and use the Drem chip, I know really well how is working)

Meloyne Poly is still offline processing, VST is estimated end 2008, seem more than 5 years of developement and need a big CPU.
We already have used it under Qranger VST version, but is to much slow for now, we wil wait the new version too. http://www.lionstracs.com/store/images/gui2007/os2/melodyne.jpg http://www.lionstracs.com/store/information_pages.php?info_id=24

I will not fight at all, seem that we are working about in the same Arranger concept. I like to undestand the way that you have take and how is your editor working to create one new audio-midi style.
Cheers

[This message has been edited by LIONSTRACS (edited 03-13-2008).]

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#229124 - 03/13/08 03:40 PM Re: Audya video
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You've got to love it when the manufacturers and their reps duke it out over claims and hype in our little forum!

Makes a change from the CIA-like silence from Roland about ANYTHING...!
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#229125 - 03/13/08 09:38 PM Re: Audya video
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I don't CARE how they do it. When I get a chance to play one, if it has the features and does what I want, I will use it. I don't even understand how TV signals fly through the air and a semi-nekkid lady appears on my screen almost as if she were sprawled on the floor.
I don't need to know HOW to appreciate the nekkid lady's being there.
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#229126 - 03/13/08 11:48 PM Re: Audya video
LIONSTRACS Offline
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yes, you are right, if then you have to recycle the same ROM audio loops forever and in every new styles.

Maybe you have forget the first post, for that I make this all question.


Sounds fantastic. As I understand it these styles use real recorded audio loops for the guitar sound, but I wonder how many of these audio loops are actually included in the Audya. If there is only a limited number of them, you will soon tire hearing the same audio loops over and over again. Traditional midi programming - or the Guitar Mode in the Korg series - gives much more room for variation which in the end can be better than an ultra realistic sound.

Kind regards,
Tommy

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#229127 - 03/14/08 07:00 AM Re: Audya video
Dnj Offline
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These demos are ok ...but are they going to show off all the other styles, & features that make the Audya different than other arranger kb's? so far I dont see much that would make me buy one other then the sliders are a nice touch....common Ketron you can do better then this on demonstrating the ground breaking new unit!

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#229128 - 03/14/08 08:09 AM Re: Audya video
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Donny,

Didn't you hear those LIVE drums and the Jazz Styles with the drum solos? Those sounded awesome. I really like the new Chord/style variations. Imagine playing a style and the style changes chord to chord????

Also, those guitar strum sounds are wonderful.

This all sounds attractive to me.



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