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#229109 - 03/12/08 03:12 PM Re: Audya video
abacus Offline
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When I first saw and heard the video, Music labs Real Guitar http://www.musiclab.com/products/realgtr_info.htm popped straight into my head, so its possible that they are not using audio loops in the usual sense, but are trying to infer that they are.
Just an impression I got

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#229110 - 03/12/08 06:12 PM Re: Audya video
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Is it gonna be considered "FAKING" Even More to the audience using Mp3's/Loops/Riffs & what have you besides Styles/SMF incorporated altogether....to the audience & when does it ever end? Its obvious that many musicians turn their nose at arrangers, why? I dont know.......pretty soon who needs us to play at all?
Will some type of Robotic DJ's rule the Music entertainment World?



[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 03-13-2008).]

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#229111 - 03/13/08 05:26 AM Re: Audya video
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It's pretty much left to changing with the times.

I'm sure we all remember the first time a musician heard someone playing an arranger keyboard and thought the same thing.

It comes down to, we are entertainers, some of us are extremely talented musicians that their talents are not even being scratched playing most of the tunes the audience wants to hear, but if that entertains them then we must go on.

5 years from now, someone will be playing an old Audya and the next generation of mind interface wave sampling crystal ball keyboard will get looks and comments on how we are not even playing anymore.

Just take an arranger keyboard and have someone with little or no musical skills and see if they can make any enjoyable music. I bet not, so we are still needed for now
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#229112 - 03/13/08 06:16 AM Re: Audya video
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Hi Guys, Four you who have Tyros, go to Rock&roll 1 ,tweek the background guitars & and drums and you have almost the exact same sound. Wow!

Love my Yammie,

Jim

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#229113 - 03/13/08 06:36 AM Re: Audya video
Dnj Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by frankieve:
Just take an arranger keyboard and have someone with little or no musical skills and see if they can make any enjoyable music. I bet not, so we are still needed for now


Aside from the statement above ...
I see many good musicians that are less then adequate TECHNICAL Arranger players that cannot navigate around the unit while they are playing this is where mixing the two tasks cause problems to many...you must be VERY Good at both Playing & Navigating in REAL TIME to be proficient.....
split second timing is crucial.

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#229114 - 03/13/08 06:39 AM Re: Audya video
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Registered: 12/13/05
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maybe they have used the melodyne for resolve the all chords tab.. http://celemony.datarepository.de/video/exp_tour/Melodyne.2.6.wmv
Give also the VST version in realtime for each tracks SEQ: http://www.lionstracs.com/store/images/gui2007/os2/melodyne.jpg

Like Diki told before; I cant really understand too how the Audya can manage the all audio chords loops in realtime...

In the video demo I saw just some chords pressed, but what happen if the all others chords are pressed?
Audya can not HD streaming, for sure they have first to load the all data in RAM and then manage all by the Midi, like a sampler.
They have cutted the video from the first style to the second, so I can not understand how much loading time they need before one style is ready to play ( SD1 need a lot of time just for loading some Mb of data...Audya use the same Dream chipset..)
maybe, how Tommy told before, they will use the same loops for tons of others styles, because they have to hold in memory...how know?

After this, I like to see how they can switch chords in offset of the BAR quantize and hear if the audio loop can start is offset point too. ( with HD streaming is possible, but under MIDI sampler controlled this is impossible)

maybe someone can reply to my question, because i'm really courios to understand.
cheers

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#229115 - 03/13/08 06:43 AM Re: Audya video
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I agree completely, it's like watching my parents trying to send an email. My parents speak perfect Italian, but watching them try to type an email takes them down.,

I play a couple gigs with other arranger players, and they do not have any idea of registrations, so everytime they pick a new song, it takes time for them to grab the style then they are adjusting tempo as the song starts. Very unprofessional and cheesy.

You can give a race car driver a yugo and they can beat the pants off of a 80 year old who has never driven a stick, with a Lamborghini
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#229116 - 03/13/08 06:53 AM Re: Audya video
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You asked for individual voices ... we responded today Thr. (Pls. - do not mind me shaking with the camera ... had to capture as much as I could and this isn't my profession anyway ).
http://www.ketron.it/musikmesse2008/index.asp#

Anyway, here you get an idea of some of the individual sounds plus changing chords regardless of where in the measure!!

We can't disclose 'how' we do it (it's our secret) however AUDYA (with the audio loops where applicable) will be able to recognize and properly play back all 32 relative chord irrespective of WHEN the chord is played within the measure. For on board styles, samples will be stored in ROM (no HD streaming in this case). If a new style is loaded from disk, all relative samples and 'parts' will be loaded as well (using the new P3 intel chip has made this rather easier!)

More to follow!

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#229117 - 03/13/08 07:23 AM Re: Audya video
LIONSTRACS Offline
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Registered: 12/13/05
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Loc: Italy
Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
Aside from the statement above ...
I see many good musicians that are less then adequate TECHNICAL Arranger players that cannot navigate around the unit while they are playing this is where mixing the two tasks cause problems to many...you must be VERY Good at both Playing & Navigating in REAL TIME to be proficient.....
split second timing is crucial.



I agree completely too.
More knobs, sliders, keys you have on one keyboard, more easy and fast is to navigate during play, this because you can recall by pressing one switch the desidered function, sounds and so on...

Openlabs make nice windows keyboards too, but just look at the all videos available..5% they play on the keyboard and the 95% the have to navigate with the pad mouse/touch screen for recall some simple sounds/functions.
I really dont understand how they can make live music with this keyboards....
Enjoy what you play...

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#229118 - 03/13/08 08:31 AM Re: Audya video
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Quote:
Originally posted by frankieve:
I play a couple gigs with other arranger players, and they do not have any idea of registrations, so every time they pick a new song, it takes time for them to grab the style then they are adjusting tempo as the song starts. Very unprofessional and cheesy.


And then if in a dancing situation gig while they stop in between songs...look for settings, sheets, lyrics etc etc the dance floor which was packed on the previous song is now standing there staring at you...and quickly dissipating & dwindling to nothing while you attempt to try an navigate your arranger for your next tune....I cringe when I see it happen to other players either OMB arranger or Duo's, Trios, full Bands With that said, even with all the so called best sounds, styles, 61/76/88 keys, & all the other playing feature fall short unless one learns how to Put It All Together as a nice REAL TIME playing package.

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