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#229099 - 03/12/08 09:01 AM Audya video
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Registered: 11/24/99
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http://www.ketron.it/musikmesse2008/Video/Robert_1_0001.wmv

This sounds incredible, I hope it really does do this.

I'm very excited about this keyboard, the first sale is to me!!!
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#229100 - 03/12/08 09:22 AM Re: Audya video
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Ive watched it...but still have no idea what Audya is all about...I Hope they are going to explain in a better way what features are doing what....instead of just playing some rock song.

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#229101 - 03/12/08 09:47 AM Re: Audya video
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Sounds fantastic. As I understand it these styles use real recorded audio loops for the guitar sound, but I wonder how many of these audio loops are actually included in the Audya. If there is only a limited number of them, you will soon tire hearing the same audio loops over and over again. Traditional midi programming - or the Guitar Mode in the Korg series - gives much more room for variation which in the end can be better than an ultra realistic sound.

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Tommy

[This message has been edited by TommyF (edited 03-12-2008).]
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#229102 - 03/12/08 09:51 AM Re: Audya video
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I agree completely, hopefully Ketron is thinking the same thing.

If they continue on with the SD1, they most likely will have a standard arranger setup also. I hope it's not just a glorified midjay/sd1
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#229103 - 03/12/08 10:02 AM Re: Audya video
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I think the whole concept of audya, is the ability to incorporate loops from any sample library and have those samples, respond to chord changes in real time.

Please stand by for a Diki slam .....
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#229104 - 03/12/08 10:19 AM Re: Audya video
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Quote:
Originally posted by DanO1:
I think the whole concept of audya, is the ability to incorporate loops from any sample library and have those samples, respond to chord changes in real time.

Please stand by for a Diki slam .....


Dan
you just stole my THOUGHT...
after Diki slam... ( also Diki know's really well how the audio arranger must working..he is my teacher..)i will reply here too...


[This message has been edited by LIONSTRACS (edited 03-12-2008).]

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#229105 - 03/12/08 12:00 PM Re: Audya video
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Registered: 03/21/01
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Ah ... we are. The redundancy is limited by the following:-
* Due to the manipulation of audio samples, what you hear when you play a "C" chord varies from what you hear when you play an "A" chord (yes, both MAJORS), not to mention the variations in minors, 7ths ..etc
* The audio is NOT limited to guitar but other instruments as well (depending on the style).
* Due to AI, the style parts ALWAYS play within the correct range of the actual instrument - regardless of the chord played.

* More to follow ... of for dinner in Frankfurt ... getting late here. Check the website (www.ketron.it) for the new uploads - I hope I got them right this time?
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#229106 - 03/12/08 12:28 PM Re: Audya video
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Loc: Benton, LA, USA
Thanks AJ. Bring an Audya back with you for the Shreveport Jam!
DonM
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#229107 - 03/12/08 01:38 PM Re: Audya video
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Loc: NW Florida
What you call a 'slam', I simply call a response to the hype..

No-one has yet made any attempt to clarify about the range of chords, extensions and inversions that the audio loops are going to provide, or whether they will be able to match the range that NTTs or Guitar Modes can provide. The silence is curious, but with the soon to come release (any announced release date, or is it STILL wait and see?), we will al get the unvarnished truth.

There may indeed be many who are less concerned that the choice of chords available may be limited, in favor of the realism of the few that ARE, but I don't think I'll be one of them...

Maybe it's time for Ketron to release some more pertinent information... These loop libraries we are going to be able to import for ourselves, for instance...

Will the Audya read Acidized or REX loops, along with their playing data, or is it up to the user to laboriously slice and dice the vast number that a decent guitar loop library provides? This is a pretty herculean task, and the fact that few exist that aren't already sliced for computer formats attests to just how difficult and mind-numbingly boring this task may be.

It's one thing to have the ability to do something, but just as the T2 sampler shows, if you make the thing proprietary, and cut the user off from most third-party content without a VAST amount of work, few will use it...

I don't believe I am 'slamming' the Audya... I would simply like some unvarnished information about what is the main selling point of this keyboard. Enough with the hype! Now let's hear the details...

Should the folks at Ketron have taken these things into account, I for one will be VERY interested in one, but I need to hear a little bit more than the simplistic accounts so far before I can see this as anything more than an easily overused gimmick.

Let us look at a few scenarios...

How does the Audya deal with playing a loop SLOWER than it was originally recorded? Does it automatically time-stretch the samples, to cover the gap between slices once they are moved apart (speeding up a sliced loop is a piece of cake compared to slowing it down)?

Is there any automatic transient detection to help with slicing rhythmic material, or is it all done by hand?

Will it import Acid, REX and Apple Loops format pre-sliced libraries?

How many chord types and extensions will it recognize, and allow triggering of different loops?

Questions like this need detailed answers, before the promise of this technology is fully realized. Otherwise, it remains a proprietary system, like the 'Live Drums' that already exist in Ketron arrangers we now have, and let's face it, hasn't exactly unseated the Big 3 in market dominance. While Yamaha's Mega Voice technology may not be QUITE as realistic for guitar parts as loops, they are FAR easier to create, edit, and use for ANY chord, ANY guitar sound (at least, Mega ones).

Maybe ANY skepticism is considered a 'slam' by those that wish upon a star that this keyboard fulfills their dreams. Me, my eyes are wide open, and I would like to see what is so far hidden...
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#229108 - 03/12/08 01:45 PM Re: Audya video
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With some updated sounds and a new styles, I'm happy that it has a usb connection, I'm sure they looked at the competition too, they had plenty of time do that, (7 years atleast)
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