and just because I mentioned some old stuff, it didn't mean I don't listen to new ace, I listen to "Pete Levin" on B3, and Russell Malone as much as I listen to Jimmy Smith, and Kenny Burrell.......to me the "old stuff" still sounds good, so I listen to it. Interesting, some of the new rock/pop stuff that I like(The Wall Flowers, Maroon 5 for example) sound like formular from late 60 or 70's to me.