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#61981 - 11/20/03 09:04 AM NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
technicsplayer Offline
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The www.technicskn7000.com revamp should now be complete.

To see your own applicable downloads read or download the "Download Instructions PDF document" at the top of each page which flowcharts which files work where and how to download and use them.

The point of this exercise was to make the styles here, which were previously only available in KN7000 format, available to KN2600, KN2400, PR804, PR604 and PR54 owners. Now piano owners can download a library of 727 free styles and Kn2600/2400 owners a library of 682 free styles, all professionally produced.

A by-product is the addition of the new KN2600 styles available for KN7000 owners in special versions simulating the advanced style and sound edits and controllers in the new keyboard rom.

A further by-product for KN7000 owners is the flexibility of having the 727 free style library in whichever format they prefer to work in, since every download on the site can be used in the KN7000.

You can load Single Custom versions.
You can load ALL Custom versions.
You can load Composer/Panel Memory versions.
You can use Floppy Disk as your medium.
You can use SD card as your medium with prepared backups of all the styles for the supplied 8 MB card or the total library in Composer/Panel Memory format for minimum 64 MB card.

Suggested Songs PDF for the new styles is also available and the existing Songs for KN7000 suggestions are available in two PDFS for easier access and simpler word search.

Don't forget there is also a style search menu button on the site which will list those downloads containing a specific style you may be after.

Enjoy.

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#61982 - 11/20/03 09:32 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Thanks Alec. May all your prayers be answered too

Peter
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#61983 - 11/20/03 10:45 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Thanks a bunch Alec Who's been a busy boy then ??

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#61984 - 11/20/03 10:51 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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The free service we can see here is something we never before
have seen for Technics models earlier on, at least as far as I
have noticed.
I've not changed my "good old" KN5000 yet, but now I probably
have to concider it even more.
Great work Alec, thank's to both you and the providers of the
KN7000 site.
Happy playing everybody!
GJ

[This message has been edited by Gunnar Jonny (edited 11-20-2003).]
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#61985 - 11/20/03 10:57 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Hi,

I downloaded the pdf file and read "I have a kn7000 keyboard etc. go to 7000 table A,B or C.

Where can I find those tables. The only thing I find was the header "KN floppy disk style library for PR804,604 and 54".
So my first thinking was this is not for the kn7. But scrolling and scrolling I still came and saw the header mentioned above not table A or B or C.
So I clicked the i (info) button and read that these disks were also for the KN7000.
A little confusing?
rgds.
Willem

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#61986 - 11/20/03 11:39 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Thank You Alec,
great to see it finally finished.
( I can stop feeling guilty now (haahaa)
Job well done, and thank you for all the hard work you've obviously put into this.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by technicsplayer:
[B]The www.technicskn7000.com revamp should now be complete.
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#61987 - 11/20/03 11:49 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Thank you Alec for your time & effort & making it possible for us to have more enjoyable styles & what's more they are completely free & also for making everything so easy to use & understand.
Well done

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#61988 - 11/20/03 12:11 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Quote:
Originally posted by waterschip:
Hi, I downloaded the pdf file and read "I have a kn7000 keyboard etc. go to 7000 table A,B or C.
Where can I find those tables. rgds. Willem


Willem, the tables are in the document if you scroll to end.
You will read that all downloads on the site can be loaded in the KN7000 on each page of the site and my message. All sections are labelled as Custom, Floppy or SD. Therefore you can decide what you want to download, and the tables describe how to use each type.

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#61989 - 11/20/03 12:57 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Alec, thanks for your work.

You posted original KN2600 styles to be played in KN7000.
But original KN7000 styles aren't posted in your page, so KN2600 users can't use original KN7000 styles, is it ok?

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#61990 - 11/20/03 12:59 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Alec - YOU DA MAN!!!!!!!!

Now you'll have time to get the Sleigh and Gifts ready for all the rest of the world. We have our gift.


THANKS
HEATHER



[This message has been edited by shcox (edited 11-20-2003).]
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#61991 - 11/20/03 01:32 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Great work Alec. Thank you kindly.
Ad.

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#61992 - 11/20/03 03:26 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bluebird:
But original KN7000 styles aren't posted in your page, so KN2600 users can't use original KN7000 styles, is it ok?


since the 2600 is later than the 7000, it has new styles which the 7000 has not got, so 7k owners can use these styles.
The remaining 2600 presets are basically already the new presets of the 7000 that were not on 6500/6000, so you effectively already have them built in, so are not missing anything if you download the 6500 and other styles.

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#61993 - 11/20/03 04:17 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Great that this project was thought of, and the right person was picked to do the job. And mostly the PR's were included. That doesn't happen very often.

May I ask; What about the KN7000 patterns that are not on the PR604/804, will these be available for the PR's sometime later? If some of these are on the KN2600 and maybe other models, then how many are actually needed to fill in that particular void?

Thanks for thinking of the PR's. Hmmm, with that in mind, are they thinking of changing the KN7 website to KN-PR website???

Anthony

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#61994 - 11/20/03 06:03 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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HELP
I run Mac G4 with OS 9.2.2. Iíve carefully read the pdf info file which indicates that a zip file of any of the 38 styles from the 2600 can be downloaded from the 7K software page. I canít find any zip files. The download delivers an asp file which can not be opened. When inserted in my KN7000 there are no file names shown. What am I doing incorrectly?
Thank you to whoever is willing to help.
Frank

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#61995 - 11/20/03 07:56 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Hi Frank:

Not sure this is what your looking for, but will give it a try.

Go to the software page, scroll down to just above center, and when you see KN Floppy Disk Style Library for PR804, PR604 and PR54... STOP! This is what I think your looking for. Right above the piggy bank (rom)... It's missleading, it is in KN7000 format.

Here you should see (MAC) files, click on the download icon for each (MAC)disk, 3 in all. The download files should be a zip.

I think you're misunderstanding the description 38 styles. If you total all the styles that have been converted in disk format, you would end up having a total of 38 disks with about 20 styles per disk, some won't have the full 20. The KN2600 will have 45 styles on 3 disks.

Hope this helps, Anthony

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#61996 - 11/20/03 08:03 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Hi again Frank
What I explained above is covering the KN2600 what you were looking for. If you want the rest in zip format. Scroll a little higher to next header and you will see more (MAC) for the KN2000 to KN6500 plus World, these are all in zip. If you download all of these you would end up with 38 disks...
Anthony

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#61997 - 11/21/03 02:37 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyCian:
What about the KN7000 patterns that are not on the PR604/804, will these be available for the PR's sometime later?
are they thinking of changing the KN7 website to KN-PR website???Anthony


I'm afraid 7k styles were not part of the remit at this time. The relevant styles should be duplicated at www.technicsprpiano.com when it is finished.

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#61998 - 11/21/03 02:55 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Quote:
Originally posted by Frank Bez:
a zip file of any of the 38 styles from the 2600 can be downloaded from the 7K software page. I canít find any zip files. The download delivers an asp file which can not be opened. When inserted in my KN7000 there are no file names shown. Frank


The Mac sections refer to the floppy disk downloads. These are provided in self-extractors which write themselves to blank disks automatically. Since these don't work on Macs, duplicates are provided for Mac owners of zip files. Thus there are 38 floppy disks of all the styles to be downloaded - 3 floppy disks if you want the new 2600 styles in composer/panel memory format.

The files you downloaded were from a Custom section, and if an AST file then is a Single Custom style. Thus follow the instructions for the Custom Styles and load them via the floppy disk Custom Style Load/Save menu (on the left of screen). Alternatively, if you have a card reader, you could save a single custom on SD, erase it in the card reader and copy all the single customs to the Custom folder you will have created on the SD card.

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#61999 - 11/21/03 04:27 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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so busy answering queries, forgot to say thanks to all the responders!

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#62000 - 11/21/03 06:16 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
shcox Offline
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OH Wow Alec,

A PR site too. I didn't even know it was there. But PLEASE ask them to include the PR54 in their data. It's a great piano too.

Again, nice going.
Heather
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#62001 - 11/21/03 12:50 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Quote:
Originally posted by technicsplayer:
I'm afraid 7k styles were not part of the remit at this time. The relevant styles should be duplicated at www.technicsprpiano.com when it is finished.



Wow! A PR site. How long has this site been around?

Anthony

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#62002 - 11/21/03 12:57 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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this might sound familiar... but... it isn't finished yet

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#62003 - 11/21/03 02:08 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Cute... I can wait...
A

[This message has been edited by AnthonyCian (edited 11-21-2003).]

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#62004 - 11/21/03 04:36 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
Frank Bez Offline
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Thank you Anthony and Alec,
Following your instructions I still havenít been successful. When I go to the Mac download of the 2600 styles there still isnít any zip file to be found. I just get an asp file which Iím unable to do anything with. Iím sorry to be so slow. Is there anyone with a Mac that can talk me through this?
Frank

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#62005 - 11/21/03 05:24 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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As the text says, all downloads on the site load into the KN7000, they are labelled for the specific other products they are also applicable for. If you go to either of the KN Floppy Disk Style Library sections and click on a KNxxxx Disk xxx (MAC) button you should get a download KNxxxx disk x.zip. There aren't any asp files, you may be saving the web page rather than the download file, I haven't a mac so can't test it.

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#62006 - 11/21/03 05:35 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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A really fine bit of work Alex, but at the moment I am getting a bit bogged down, I have a blank 128MB SD Card and would like to put , 7000 Table B-Composer/Panel Memories onto the Card, the instructions say,Download the SINGLE Total SD Card Backup, I have been looking for this Single Backup, I have searched the 5 pages, but cant seem to find it, can anyone pleas
e help, I am hoping that with one click I can download all of this, Thank You, Johnny B
Quote:
Originally posted by technicsplayer:
As the text says, all downloads on the site load into the KN7000, they are labelled for the specific other products they are also applicable for. If you go to either of the KN Floppy Disk Style Library sections and click on a KNxxxx Disk xxx (MAC) button you should get a download KNxxxx disk x.zip. There aren't any asp files, you may be saving the web page rather than the download file, I haven't a mac so can't test it.

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#62007 - 11/21/03 06:37 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Quote:
Originally posted by John Barr:
I have been looking for this Single Backup, I have searched the 5 pages, but cant seem to find it


Hi John,
click on the software page (button on the left).
Scroll down to "KN SD Card Library" sections.
File is called "Total 64 MB card backup for KN7000".
click on the "i" button to confirm the contents.
click on the "arrow/floppy" icon to download the file.
unzip the file on your hard drive, then follow the Song Manager restore instructions in the download document.

It is 17 MB in size so will take some time to download on dial-up. It takes about 5 minutes to restore in Song Manager using the card reader, probably all night through the KN7000 usb

Don't forget the three "Suggested Songs" documents at the top of this page, they are also useful.

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#62008 - 11/21/03 09:46 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Hi Alec,
just out of INTEREST ( haahaa) do the latest pr piano's have styles that the kn7/26/24 's don't.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by technicsplayer:
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#62009 - 11/22/03 05:04 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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a handful. There were requests for a KN7000 Accompaniment Update Vol 1 but requests for the book and other projects took priority.

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#62010 - 11/22/03 02:56 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Hi Everyone,
an interesting discussion cropped up in our kn7 styles group yesterday in regards to the reason why Alec has gone to all the trouble of putting our kn7 styles into both types of formats
Custom styles & Composer Styles.

Thought I'd share the following

best wishes
Rikki

--- In kn7000styles@yahoogroups.com, "Rikki King"
wrote:
> Thank you
> so much Alec for all the hard work you've put into these styles.
> They are greatly appreciated.


From: "technicsplayer"
Date: Fri Nov 21, 2003 11:30 pm
Subject: Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS USERS

hope the various versions come in useful, Rikki! :-)


From: "Rikki King"
Date: Sat Nov 22, 2003 9:54 am
Subject: Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS USERS

Hi Alec,
the bonus is that you've now apparantly given us access to all the
styles in COMPOSER format as well as in the original CUSTOM Style
format.
( I'm not allowed to download them at the moment because I've used up
my monthly allowance of mb's, and my service provider charges like a
wounded bull when you go over the allowance, so I'm limiting myself
to emails at the moment and the odd file) of all the times not to be
allowed to download ( haahaa)

The benefit that I can see in having them in composer format is that

1. Custom styles apparently only work on the keyboard they were
created for, so I assume if/when the new model kn appears on the
scene , the kn7 customs probably wouldn't work on the new model,
wheras in kn7 composer format,would/should.

2. Having them in composer format is great for the members who share
their songs. I've had a couple of songs play back with rather bizzare
styles. ie the sequence had been created using a custom style.
Problem was, my custom style set was different to the original
players set. He hadn't saved the custom set as part of the song.
Wouldn't have had the problem, if the style had been available in
composer format. It's far easier to save a composer style as part of
the song, than a full custom set.

3.You've done all the hard work converting them from custom to
composer. Now if we want to do any editing or fiddling round with
these styles we can.

thanks again alec

best wishes
Rikki

From: "technicsplayer"
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:57 am
Subject: Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS USERS

precisely, Rikki. It's obviously taking a while to sink in widely
because there is complete flexibility in how you want to load and
save in whatever storage medium you prefer now.

the downside is that custom format is more efficient for storage, as
can be seen by the 7000 book total library backup from the CD
fitting on a 32MB card, whereas this total library backup needs a 64
MB card, not really affected by the new styles included here. Also
compare the number of styles that will fit on the 8 MB card.
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Rikki

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#62011 - 11/24/03 02:08 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Hi Rikki

I do know that a great many of the styles on my PR54 are in the KN2600 Styles Disks and the PR54 has some of the KN7000 styles. So as Alec said I doubt there are more than a handful.

Sorry I missed the styles group. I would have liked to have been in on it.

Very Best
Heather
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#62012 - 11/24/03 02:11 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
shcox Offline
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Hi Alec,

Just tried to access the new sites. They seem to be down.

Just thought I pass it on.

Heather
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#62013 - 11/24/03 02:36 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Hi All

Yes! I've tried several times to view the site today and each time was given the message "site unavailable" Glad you mentioned it though as was beginning to think I have yet another problem with this so called updated "state of the art" PC.

I'll try again tomorrow.

Aud

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#62014 - 11/24/03 03:14 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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I can not access the website either. Hope it come back on line soon. Lloyd

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#62015 - 11/25/03 05:53 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
Lloyd Erickson Offline
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KN7000 website is up and running but I cannot download the PDF files. It starts the process, then quits without going any further. Anyone else having this problem?
Lloyd

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#62016 - 11/25/03 09:12 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Just tried them Lloyd - no problems....

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#62017 - 11/25/03 11:08 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Hi Heather,
it's still there http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kn7000styles/

I've been busy testing some new software I bought, to hopefully help me simplify some of the things I do when I create a style ( haahaa) so I've been a bit quiet on the forum & in the group.

best wishes
Rikki

Quote:
Originally posted by shcox:
Hi Rikki

Sorry I missed the styles group. I would have liked to have been in on it.

Very Best
Heather
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#62018 - 11/25/03 01:11 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Hi, Not wishing to put a damper on all the excitment above which I am sure is well founded, but has everyone now gone over to the KN7000? I have only had my KN6500 for 1o months and already it seems to obsolete as far as files to download and talking points in discussion groups. Is there anything new available for the poor old Kn6500?

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#62019 - 11/25/03 02:53 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Hi Tony,

Something I been very disappointed with Technics is once a new model comes out. No matter how wonderful, how great the current model was, might as well dig a grave for it.

I been involved with Technics PR's since 1996 and noticed then how big and popular the KN3000 was, and compatible with the PR900. Then the KN5000 came out, well that just killed the KN3000. Then of course the KN6000/KN6500 killed the KN5000. And you discovered what the KN7000 has done for KN6x00 series. No doubt when the KN8000(guessing model) comes out replacing the KN7000, I'll give it a year and people will say, what's a KN7000?

Knowing all this, it's sad the older models can not play newer model formats. I even asked why couldn't there be a "save as" feature in all new models to make it compatible with the older ones. That idea wasn't to positive, because why save in older formats? People just don't realize not everyone can afford buying the new models each time they come out, and really have to stay with what they have.

One of the reasons why I thought NX could fill that area, but finding out it's not all that simple. So that leaves MP3, which is great when listening to other peoples music. But that doesn't help in getting new composer files, sounds, etc to increase ones library.

The KN7000 website has really undertook (1. A major project by gathering all the KN model styles from the KN2000 to the KN6500 and converting into KN7000. (2. First to my knowledge this was ever done. Those who has KN7000 compatible units will have a field day with these? But still this leaves out a lot of people that own uncompatible models, and are unable to use the styles.

All in marketing strategy...

Anthony

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#62020 - 11/25/03 04:16 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
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Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyCian:
... All in marketing strategy...
Anthony



Well, this is of course marketing strategy, but also a question
of our needs and whishes regarding this great inventions.

I've, as many of you, bought most of the new KN keyboard models
from Technics, started with the K350, then KN800, KN1000, KN2000
some years ago.
I even ordered the new goodies before they was in the store, but
after I got the KN3000, I did not buy the KN5000 before after the
KN6000's was in the shop.
People who know me thought I was seriously ill since I did not go
for the latest as I usually did, but I found that the "old" one
still could do the things I want it to do, at least compared to my
skills regarding the use of it, and guess what, it still do

The compability I think will never go back in models, and as we've
seen, it hardly goes the other way either without using converting
tools etc., but that's probably also a result of the new developed
technical solutions, you have to leave the old technology when you
find a new and better one to replace it.

The fact that we don't see any new aditions of styles and software
who fit the old models is too bad. Most all those instruments are
still in use by people who bought it, and a lot ovn second hand or
later bought models too.
I know many looking for more and new such stuff to play along with,
and I think Technote and others should not forget that market as
soon as a new model show up.

There will always be new technical solutions and ways to make this
playable wondermachines even more tempting for us to buy, and I'm
pretty sure that I am one of the Technicsusers who will "jump on the
train" again very soon, and when I do so, hopefully the backward
compability will make it possible to try out all the new stuff we can
see at the KN7000 site now

Welcome sx-KN8000

GJ
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#62021 - 11/25/03 07:08 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
AnthonyCian Offline
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Hi GJ

You mentioned: "you have to leave the old technology when you find a new and better one to replace it."

Of course new technology will replace the old. But the new technology understands the old and is capable of imitating it. The KN7000 was built after the KN5000, so it's builders should be able to incorporate a KN5000 "save as" feature.

When the person records a song arrangment using the KN7000, that person will save it in KN7000 format, and take advantage of the new technology. Wonderful! If that person knows others who doesn't have a KN7000 or an organization that has an older model lets say a KN5000. That person then would be able to do a "save as" of that same song in KN5000 format for the person to use on the KN5000. Yes it won't have all the new technology, but hey it's being played on a KN5000 that doesn't have it in the first place.

Most can't wait to get the next model, and gradually the current one that was really popular looses interest and goes to the KN/PR older models graveyard. Quickly, less then a year after the new model hits the market.

Just expressing a view point that Technics should have their instruments more compatible from model to model. And not just drop it like it never existed. Which brings us back to 2 original issues. Tony Lawton's KN6500 concern about being obsolete and Technics marketing strategy$$$

Anthony

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#62022 - 11/26/03 03:42 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
Gunnar Jonny Offline
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Registered: 04/01/01
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Loc: Norway
Anthony, I think we have pretty much the same points of view about
this matters, but between the KN5000 and 6000, and then 7000 there
is quite a difference in the fileformats used, also the have all
the new sounds etc. used.
This we also see when load a KN2000 pattern to KN3000, and so on,
there is a lot of settings and changes to make before it sounds
reasonable, and also of course when we convert downwards, we see
the same happen on almost all

To have a backward model save option would have been nice of course,
but it would also put the price even higher.
Also a big question is if this would be any useful for most of the
users?
After all, you leave the "old" model for a new one, the second hand
buyers will also have a "new" model, and a lot of new stuff to explore.

Well, the risk of being obsolete and the marketing strategy will most
probably still be as we've seen it, regardless of what product we buy.
I think they call it progress.....

Happy playing.
GJ
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#62023 - 11/26/03 04:09 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
technicsplayer Offline
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totally impractical; development time and software rom would take up more man-hours and cost than many new features of each generation of keyboard. Pay extra for losing new features - in exchange for the feature of occasionally saving a file in an old format just so it can sound a lot worse

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#62024 - 11/26/03 04:36 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
shcox Offline
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Registered: 09/10/03
Posts: 296
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Hi All,

That is one thing I really agree with that when a new model comes out all support and new products are directed toward the new models. Even if the new styles can not be loaded and played in the "old" models there could still be some new styles produced or versions of the new model styles made available.

If I'm not mistaken (and I could be) even the KN6000 web site has been abandoned.

However, this is not unique to Technics. Sadly the support of new products for older models whether for keyboards, autos, software or whatever is most often left up to a third party market.

In the keyboard market however, most of the money is in the sale of the keyboard itself and not in the addons so there is not a big reason to have third party items.

Best Wishes
Heather
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#62025 - 11/26/03 05:37 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
Bluebird Offline
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Registered: 07/02/02
Posts: 142
I think we have not to leave the old technology when we buy a a new and better kb.
As you say, if KN7000 was built after the KN5000, it's builders should be able to incorporate a KN5000 "save as" feature. If not, the current kb that was really popular past year looses interest and goes to the older models graveyard.

Technics should have their instruments more compatible from model to model. Probably, Yamaha succes is its compatibility. All PSRs are compatible: so, its songs and styles may be loaded and listened in all PSR, with minor modifications. Because of that, PSR are so popular.

But KNs are not compatible. So, and because of all support and new products are directed toward the new models... old models owners are "lost" (the KN6000 web site has been abandoned).

I think this marketing style is not typical of all manufacturers, as some of you say. For example, new Roland kbs may load all Roland styles (the low priced EM25 may do it). Yamaha kbs may load all yamaha styles and songs. Yes, the support of new products for older models is most often left up to a third party market, but there is more compatibility than Technics do. It gives more life to old models.

Because of that little compatibility, owners of old Technics kbs buying a new kb may be tempted to buy a non Technics kb...

I would like Technics be better in compatibily matter. Great sounds, great styles, great building, but ...


[This message has been edited by Bluebird (edited 11-26-2003).]

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#62026 - 11/26/03 07:02 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
Gunnar Jonny Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bluebird:
......Probably, Yamaha succes is its compatibility. All PSRs are compatible: so, its songs and styles may be loaded and listened in all PSR, with minor modifications. Because of that, PSR are so popular.......
[QUOTE]

I wonder, how are the compability if you load a Tyros Mega Voice style into an old PSR?
GJ
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#62027 - 11/26/03 08:49 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
Bluebird Offline
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Well, I refer to PSRs, not Tyros.
But all Tyros styles have been modified to may load in PSRs, and all PSRs owners may use them.

--- Please, I don't want blame Technics, of course. I ask for a better compatibility only: it's all.

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#62028 - 11/26/03 10:36 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
Douglas Dean Offline
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Registered: 04/15/02
Posts: 554
Loc: Prospect Heights IL USA
Hi Guys and Gals! Ruthie is in the kitchen getting a lot of the stuff ready for the day that transforms me. She has a formula for thanksgiving day that works magic. She somehow takes a turkey, does her thing with it and about an hour after noon on thanksgiving day she has turned me into a PIG. So here I am, thinking, just thinking and sitting. Sitting by my old friend, Mac. Old Mac is letting me see into your thoughts for this morning. Compatibility, popularity of PSRís, sending old keyboards to the graveyard. Just thinking. Why do I have a Mac and not a PC? Why do I have a KN7000 and not a Tyros? Choices! And more choices! Myself just asked me why? Well, that's a good question, Why? Why Mac and not a PC? Elegance my friend, just plain elegance. Solid operating system. No virus to speak of. Can make it into a PC with a few bucks worth of software. Why did I say KN7000 and Tyros? I look at those two words as top of the line in arranger keyboards. I guess thatís why. Why did I choose top of the line? I like top of the line. I also got the where with all to satisfy my few remaining years on earth. Because the KN cost a bit more than the Tyros? Could care less, just like top of the line stuff. I see Bluebird says - ďBecause of that little compatibility, owners of old Technics kbs buying a new kb may be tempted to buy a non Technics kb...Ē. Thinking about that makes me wonder. Why would I tradeoff such great sounds, great styles and great quality for the ability to degrade these with old technology? With this kind of thinking I suppose some would think that modern CDís should be able to play on a machine made for 78ís with a needle. Why not? What do you think? Gunner quotes bluebird - Because of compatibility PSRís are so popular. Lets take top of the line again. KN7000 and Tyros. KN6500 and PSR9000. I wonder what the number of each were sold in comparison. I suppose that if you take the complete line of Yamaha there would be more. I just wonder about the new KN and the Tyros. I would venture to say - Well what do you think? While sitting back and thinking it dawned on me that some people are living in the present and some kind of live in a dream world. Something like Alec the technicsplayerís practicability and the dream wishes of others. Gunner wonders how is the compatibility if you load a Tyros Mega Voice style into an old PSR? Iím sitting here thinking and wondering. How would they? What do you think?

Grandpa Doug
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#62029 - 11/26/03 11:58 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
Gunnar Jonny Offline
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Registered: 04/01/01
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Loc: Norway
Quote:
Originally posted by Bluebird:
...... But all Tyros styles have been modified to may load in PSRs, and all PSRs owners may use them......


If I don't remember it wrong, the Tyros styles have been modifyed unofficially
by the users, and not by Yamaha?
Also I think I've heard that they do not sound anything like the Tyros played
on the PSR's.
In fact I seem to remeber that the Yamaha lawyers insisted that users should
take the styles off of the web pages not so long ago, and is'nt it true that
there was a big fuss among the Yamaha users because of this?

Anyway, happy playing on whatever keyboard brand we choose to play on
GJ
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#62030 - 11/26/03 12:03 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
AnthonyCian Offline
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Registered: 04/26/03
Posts: 276
Loc: Arizona, USA
Hi BlueBird:

Thanks for your feedback and feeling compatibility is important.

----General----

I mentioned a newer model having a "save as" feature as one of maybe many possibilites of making Technics instruments compatible. I'm sure there are other technologies that can make it possible to have Technics more compatible.

When the next new KN model comes out, most current KN owners will purchase it, regardless of compatibility. Yes their older files will probably work on the new model, but not vice-versa. So if any new songs were recorded and saved on the new model, it would only work for that model.

After hearing the feedback, it sounds to me that most all current KN owners prefers new sounds, and features, over compatibility. And probably why Technics do what they do, go with what's in demand. If compatibility is not a major concern/factor when purchasing the new model, then in Technics point of view, why bother making these compatible?

Anthony

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#62031 - 11/26/03 02:27 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 4243
Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Jonny,
all very true. Quite frankly the gloss went off my 9000 pro the day Bob ( psr styles group) told us he'd have to remove the current model styles from the site. These styles were uploded by members, not by Yamaha. ( I tend to think they were just turning a blind eye) Some of the members were whinging about this, that and the other, and Bob tried desperately to warn us. They wouldn't listen. We drew too much attention to ourselves. Result the more current styles had to be removed.

If it wasn't for 3rd party developers of great little utility programs for psr's ( majority of them share all their work for free) I wonder if the psr's would really be as popular, ( except with owners who require a good voice processor.)
The style creation features aren't a patch with what you get on a kn7, the sequencer isn't as good either.

The majority of styles floating around are only conversions and in a lot of instances haven't been tweaked so really don't sound all that great.

Heck we could go the same way, use our style convert disks or EMC conversion software & churn them out by the 100's. Most instances, they'd sound like rubbish, unless someone took the time to tweak them and make them sound good.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gunnar Jonny:
[B] If I don't remember it wrong, the Tyros styles have been modifyed unofficially
by the users, and not by Yamaha?
Also I think I've heard that they do not sound anything like the Tyros played
on the PSR's.
In fact I seem to remeber that the Yamaha lawyers insisted that users should
take the styles off of the web pages not so long ago, and is'nt it true that
there was a big fuss among the Yamaha users because of this?
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#62032 - 11/26/03 03:35 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
technicsplayer Offline
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precisely, Rikki....

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#62033 - 11/26/03 03:41 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
Chuck Piper Offline
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Registered: 01/17/02
Posts: 403
Loc: United Kingdom
Hi Gunnar, Tony, and Anthony,

Gunnar, you hit the nail on the head precisely with your comments. I've had my KN6000 for nearly three years and it still does what I need and want it to do just as your present keyboard does for you. However, as I have said in other threads, I am ready to upgrade, so am waiting for the sx-KN8000 to appear.

I feel that Panasonic/Technics is listening to us, their loyal customers. We have voiced our wishes for a multitude of improvements we would like to see in the next generation KN. I'm sure the Technics folks monitor this forum and the Yahoo KN forum for opinions regarding the KN7000, its sounds, features, and shortcomings as expressed by those who purchased it. In addition, many folks, including me, have written to the UK and US Technics representatives expressing opinions directly to the people representing Panasonic in what is likely the two largest Technics markets. All of that feedback has to influence to some degree the design of the next generation KN.

I look forward with a lot of anticipation to the introduction of that next flagship keyboard. I want to see if Technics improved the vocal harmonizer, added new Techni-Chord options, and incorporated many of the other features we have talked about here. If so, I will buy it. If not, I'll likely buy a KN7000 selling at a reduced price and be happy to have it.

Happy Playing!

Chuck

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#62034 - 11/26/03 08:42 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
Razorcar Offline
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Registered: 03/01/03
Posts: 23
Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
Hi Everyone,

I just downloaded the KN2600 files for my KN7000. I tried to use the Song Manager, but could not get it to work. As usual I'm confused! How can you add to your SD Card from Song Manager. I got a 256mb card with lots of room, but I never can add anything to it from my computer.

I had to do it the old way by downloading the various .ast files and copying them to a floppy and put the floppy into the KN7000 and then copying to the SD Card. Is this the only way or am I missing something.

I've got the book and video and try to follow it, but I still have problems with adding files to the SD Card.

Sincerely,

Razorcar
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#62035 - 11/27/03 02:59 AM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
technicsplayer Offline
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Registered: 01/17/02
Posts: 3319
First backup your existing 256 card using the instructions in 4.16. Then use 4.18, put this backup in the top field and the new 2600 backup you downloaded in the lower field to create a new card. Then restore the new backup to the 256 card using 4.17. You will have combined two separate SD cards.

If doing this for the first time adopt a "belt and braces" approach. As well as backing up your existing card, just copy the entire Private (and Sd_sound if you have midi files) folder from the card to a folder on your PC. Then if anything goes wrong you have two separate backups of your original card to fall back on to safeguard your data (check in any audio first to check out afterwards).

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#62036 - 11/27/03 08:03 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
Razorcar Offline
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Registered: 03/01/03
Posts: 23
Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
Hi Technicsplayer,

That worked. Guess I can't read!

Thank You,

Razorcar
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Razorcar
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#62037 - 11/28/03 02:01 PM Re: NEW FREE STYLES FOR TECHNICS OWNERS
technicsplayer Offline
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Registered: 01/17/02
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excellent

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