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#470461 - 05/27/19 10:09 AM Re: Ketron SD40 [Re: DonM]
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
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I know Fingered 2 should do that, but it doesn't seem to work properly.
I will check on the recognition of m7.
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#470462 - 05/27/19 10:23 AM Re: Ketron SD40 [Re: DonM]
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Mr. Mason, when can we look for a new upload from you on the SD40?
I know it’ll be awesome and look forward to it.
Jim
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#470465 - 05/27/19 11:15 AM Re: Ketron SD40 [Re: TedS]
Fran Carango Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Originally Posted By TedS
Don I'm sure you know more about this stuff than me. But after looking at the manual, I think the chord mode you need is called Fingered 2. That, plus a Lower voice with lower hold turned off should allow you to play single notes in the split area without changing the chord. (I believe there's also a pedal function to lock in the chord, but you might want to use your foot switches for other purposes.)

Did you find that you have to change your learned fingering to avoid triggering a 6th when you wanted a minor 7th? I wonder if Ketron changed their algorithms to favor the Minor 7th (which seems to be much more common in the music I like to play.)



Ted the only way all manufacturers can be 100 percent accurate, what chord you intended... Is to use root position (full chord) with bass inversion off. There will be no mistakes as the C6th and Am7th.
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#470468 - 05/27/19 12:35 PM Re: Ketron SD40 [Re: Fran Carango]
bruno123 Offline
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Registered: 06/04/02
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Fran, I did not read your post before writing the same thing.
I thought for a minute and came up with: This guy is smart to. (smile)

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#470469 - 05/27/19 12:40 PM Re: Ketron SD40 [Re: DonM]
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Fran I just don't have the skill for that... too old to unlearn bad habits! Roland, and surprisingly Casio(!) do exactly what I want, that's why I tend to favor those brands. Being able to play one-finger majors and two-note minors, 7ths, M7 in any inversion facilitates a lot of fast chord changes. Slash chord recognition is simple and logical too. For me, more keys and more hand movement just create more opportunities to make mistakes.

Chord fingering is one thing about an arranger that you just can't change. None of the manufacturers has programmed a lot of customizability into this all-important feature. I like a lot of the Yamaha styles and features, but their "pro" AI Fingered mode is useless to me. So here in my living room, I'm using the Roland Chord Intelligence built into my BK-7m to drive the style engine of my Tyros 5. I often wonder if I would be happier with a BK-9. Too bad they're so rare!


Edited by TedS (05/27/19 12:41 PM)

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#470592 - 05/30/19 03:03 PM Re: Ketron SD40 [Re: Bernie9]
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6020
Loc: NSW,Australia
Originally Posted By Bernie9
Bachus

That is a good observation, and it hits home at the present. I, very foolishly, forgot to backup my USB card on the Pa4X and lost my Songbook registrations which numbered several hundred. Luckily, I have the same amount and similar songs on my SD40 and S970. Now, as you say, it is decision time.


Decisions decisions


Hi Bernie,
That’s sad news, you’ve never backed it up to anything else like your pc. I always copy my USB sticks to my laptop as a backup and also to external hard drives. Have you tried plugging your USB stick into your laptop to see if it is totally dead?

One of my USB sticks that has my v arranger, sometimes plays up, ie it tells me it needs to be formatted, but I unplug and a few seconds later, it’s functioning again.

I have the style library but songbook I’ve never bothered with.



Edited by rikkisbears (06/01/19 04:22 PM)
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#470594 - 05/30/19 05:39 PM Re: Ketron SD40 [Re: DonM]
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Registered: 03/21/01
Posts: 3583
Loc: Middletown, DE
Originally Posted By DonM
Inquiring minds want to know... so,
So far I am very pleased with the module. I have spent a week programming the Roland A800 Pro to control the module and it has been a learning, or relearning process, for certain.
AJ and Curt have been very helpful.
I must say that ALL the System Exclusive commands in the Ketron list are wrong. However, Curt has put together an Ebook that has most of them correct. There are some errors in the AJAM Sound bank that make the sounds off a step or two, but I have been able to figure those out by experimenting and changing the address by one or two numbers.
When I had the SD7, I was totally not impressed by any of the AJam user sounds and didn't use any of them without editing. This has changed immensely and nearly every one now is useful and I've found some in almost every category that I will use.
I find myself using only a few of the factory styles, but there is a plethora of user styles, many of which I recognize and like. Some need editing though.
I have been able to program 44 buttons, sliders and knobs to control the module. I could play all night and never touch it if needed.
I have set up pads for variations 1, 2, and 3, intro/endings 1,2,3 and To End.
I have set up Text Page Up and Down. I have one button dedicated to Exit, which is really more than an exit function. It returns things to the previous stage in many cases. If I have a text page displayed, Exit turns it off, and Exit turns it back on when I press it again.
I have programmed knobs, buttons, sliders and pads for about 30 or so of my favorite and most used lead sounds.
There are a host of other functions that one can assign, but these are the ones I need most.
I have assigned Vocal Harmony on/off, 2nd Sound, and Breaks to the Ketron foot controller. Break can be accessed via midi, but my controller isn't set up to send both the beginning and ending commands, so if I set it to Break, the Break loops repeatedly. I'd rather have it on the pedal anyway. I can't find a command for 2nd sound, but there probably is one.
Last weekend I used the module with an M-Audio controller that I had in the closet, because I had not yet received the Roland. As I had no idea how to program it and didn't want to waste the time anyway, all it did was trigger notes, joystick, start and stop. I had to control everything from the module, and got by, but it was difficult in low light and with failing eyesight. smile This controller will make it many times easier.
I was able to put the module in the rack that I set on the second tier of my kb stand. And, I raised the bottom tier some and lowered the top one to where the module is barely higher than the controller.
This also allows me to see and be seen much better, even if I have laptop open, which I seldom need to do now. I do need to put something under the back of the module to tilt it up so I can see it better. In other words a do it yourself tilt screen. smile
My fingers and wrists are enjoying the light touch of the controller, although it is very responsive and feels good.
I have all my text files loaded into the module, and it's pretty easy to find one and display it when needed. ONCE YOU KNOW the procedure. smile
My SD40 has the solid state drive from AJ, which contains many hundreds of MP3s, midi files, text plus MP3s, styles, sounds, etc.
I have moved the MP3s to a USB drive in order to free up memory on the internal drive. There were about nine gigs of them!
When you connect the module to a computer, using USB, it is easy to see and edit everything, much faster than from the module itself.
It is still a work in progress and after the weekend I'm sure I will have some changes to make.
The Registrations I had made last year on the SD7 worked fine, but some needed to have the levels balanced to the arranger and re-saved, takes about five seconds apiece.
A great thing about Ketron Registrations is that they do not just point to sounds, styles, etc. They actually store everything, so even if the current arranger doesn't contain the styles, sounds, text, Mp3, PDFs, etc., they are remembered anyway. The Registrations or Songbooks in all the other brands merely point to the ingredients, so can present problems when changing or upgrading models. I have redone the Korg Songbook four times because of this, because I had four different models which used it.
The module will read text, midis, etc. directly from USB. I assume it will with styles and sounds, but I haven't tried it.
That's about all I can think of right now. Gotta go to "work" soon. I can get some rest there. smile




Once you use a KETRON product, it's hard to look back. Welcome back Don :-)

Yes, the AjamSonic SD40 Module is proving to be the go-to tool for those looking to downsize weight and size, while upsize sound and over all performance - and maintaining live band sound(s).

Thanks,

AJ
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#470596 - 05/30/19 05:56 PM Re: Ketron SD40 [Re: Ketron_AJ]
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
Originally Posted By Ketron_AJ
Originally Posted By DonM
Inquiring minds want to know... so,
So far I am very pleased with the module. I have spent a week programming the Roland A800 Pro to control the module and it has been a learning, or relearning process, for certain.
AJ and Curt have been very helpful.
I must say that ALL the System Exclusive commands in the Ketron list are wrong. However, Curt has put together an Ebook that has most of them correct. There are some errors in the AJAM Sound bank that make the sounds off a step or two, but I have been able to figure those out by experimenting and changing the address by one or two numbers.
When I had the SD7, I was totally not impressed by any of the AJam user sounds and didn't use any of them without editing. This has changed immensely and nearly every one now is useful and I've found some in almost every category that I will use.
I find myself using only a few of the factory styles, but there is a plethora of user styles, many of which I recognize and like. Some need editing though.
I have been able to program 44 buttons, sliders and knobs to control the module. I could play all night and never touch it if needed.
I have set up pads for variations 1, 2, and 3, intro/endings 1,2,3 and To End.
I have set up Text Page Up and Down. I have one button dedicated to Exit, which is really more than an exit function. It returns things to the previous stage in many cases. If I have a text page displayed, Exit turns it off, and Exit turns it back on when I press it again.
I have programmed knobs, buttons, sliders and pads for about 30 or so of my favorite and most used lead sounds.
There are a host of other functions that one can assign, but these are the ones I need most.
I have assigned Vocal Harmony on/off, 2nd Sound, and Breaks to the Ketron foot controller. Break can be accessed via midi, but my controller isn't set up to send both the beginning and ending commands, so if I set it to Break, the Break loops repeatedly. I'd rather have it on the pedal anyway. I can't find a command for 2nd sound, but there probably is one.
Last weekend I used the module with an M-Audio controller that I had in the closet, because I had not yet received the Roland. As I had no idea how to program it and didn't want to waste the time anyway, all it did was trigger notes, joystick, start and stop. I had to control everything from the module, and got by, but it was difficult in low light and with failing eyesight. smile This controller will make it many times easier.
I was able to put the module in the rack that I set on the second tier of my kb stand. And, I raised the bottom tier some and lowered the top one to where the module is barely higher than the controller.
This also allows me to see and be seen much better, even if I have laptop open, which I seldom need to do now. I do need to put something under the back of the module to tilt it up so I can see it better. In other words a do it yourself tilt screen. smile
My fingers and wrists are enjoying the light touch of the controller, although it is very responsive and feels good.
I have all my text files loaded into the module, and it's pretty easy to find one and display it when needed. ONCE YOU KNOW the procedure. smile
My SD40 has the solid state drive from AJ, which contains many hundreds of MP3s, midi files, text plus MP3s, styles, sounds, etc.
I have moved the MP3s to a USB drive in order to free up memory on the internal drive. There were about nine gigs of them!
When you connect the module to a computer, using USB, it is easy to see and edit everything, much faster than from the module itself.
It is still a work in progress and after the weekend I'm sure I will have some changes to make.
The Registrations I had made last year on the SD7 worked fine, but some needed to have the levels balanced to the arranger and re-saved, takes about five seconds apiece.
A great thing about Ketron Registrations is that they do not just point to sounds, styles, etc. They actually store everything, so even if the current arranger doesn't contain the styles, sounds, text, Mp3, PDFs, etc., they are remembered anyway. The Registrations or Songbooks in all the other brands merely point to the ingredients, so can present problems when changing or upgrading models. I have redone the Korg Songbook four times because of this, because I had four different models which used it.
The module will read text, midis, etc. directly from USB. I assume it will with styles and sounds, but I haven't tried it.
That's about all I can think of right now. Gotta go to "work" soon. I can get some rest there. smile




Once you use a KETRON product, it's hard to look back. Welcome back Don :-)

Yes, the AjamSonic SD40 Module is proving to be the go-to tool for those looking to downsize weight and size, while upsize sound and over all performance - and maintaining live band sound(s).

Thanks,

AJ


+1 Prince AJ... If you need "Live" sound Ketron leads the way...
The module gives a player so much flexabily and controller kb choices too...
Good move Don enjoy.

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#470627 - 05/31/19 01:53 PM Re: Ketron SD40 [Re: DonM]
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
After another few nights using the SD40, I have it just about completely under control. It does everything I ask it to do. It sounds great and the audience didn't notice the change at all, but they responded very well to the live sound, even if they didn't know why.
Still not certain if I can give up the beloved Korg PA4x, even if it does hurt my fingers after four hours. smile
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#470680 - 06/02/19 12:42 PM Re: Ketron SD40 [Re: DonM]
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
I'm sorry to say that I am not going to stay with the SD40.
There are no problems with it and it sounds fantastic; I'm just so comfortable using what I already had...
I expect Jingleman to enjoy it immensely. smile
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