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#457008 - 08/27/18 01:20 PM Re: Honest critique or just stay silent - which? [Re: cgiles]
cgiles Offline
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This opera singer was very nervous as he was about to perform in a small Italian town known to be full of very knowledgeable opera critics. He was very surprised after his first performance when he was greeted with thunderous applause because he didn't think he did very well. Nevertheless, he went back on for an encore. This time the applause was even greater. He was mystified but went back on stage to thank the audience and announce that because of time restrictions, he couldn't do another encore. At this time, a man in the audience stood up, shook his fist, and shouted...'YOU'LL SING IT...UNTIL YOU LEARN IT'!

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chas
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#457009 - 08/27/18 01:23 PM Re: Honest critique or just stay silent - which? [Re: ekurburski]
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I think I should refrain from critiques of members playing arrangers because, as performance tools, I don't like them and don't use them.

The only one I really enjoy is Don because of the way he injects his personality into his performances and his unique way of emulating a slide steel guitar.

I do use arrangers for film roughs and consider them to be indispensable for those.

What I like about Don's work is not the arranger at all, but the vocal, guitar and rapport with the audience.

Chas is a killer player, in spite of what he says. He only uses an arranger for the drum machine. With him, I like his arrangements, changes and pure, historic B-3 tone. He's a stylist and a good one.

Lot's of others are better entertainers than musicians, and that's hard to demonstrate on a recording. I'm not an entertainer and really don't want to be, so those submissions, while appreciated for the effort, really don't do much for me.

I will say that there is no excuse for bad changes, and inflated egos are a real turn-off.

Those do pop up occasionally, here, and I just try to bite my lip.

Be well, all,


Russ

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#457019 - 08/27/18 06:23 PM Re: Honest critique or just stay silent - which? [Re: captain Russ]
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Grace before the facts. A good rule to follow. Complement the player for contributing. You can then add a comment. But if your nature is to criticize because it makes you feel good SHUT-UP!

Just my opinion.
John C.
PS, we learn by our errors – so welcome them.

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#457021 - 08/27/18 06:59 PM Re: Honest critique or just stay silent - which? [Re: bruno123]
sparky589 Offline
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Registered: 11/12/11
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Several years ago I saw a member post a video after others had and was encouraged to do so. It was perhaps not the level of others and he was chewed up by some. He has never posted a performance since. Nothing good was accomplished there..

Russ, still have /use the ketron sd5?


Edited by sparky589 (08/27/18 07:01 PM)
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#457026 - 08/28/18 12:20 AM Re: Honest critique or just stay silent - which? [Re: cgiles]
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Hi Guy's

I'd just like to say that the response I've had to my posts have in the main been fairly positive but also I've had some very useful advice to which I try to respond. In the past I even took Mark's advice and went for singing lessons, I think it made a difference LOL. With regard to adverse comments I think the principle is, If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.

As a result of this post I went back and had a listen to some of my old postings and I have to say that in the main, I think (hope), they have improved.

On a positive note, excuse the pun, thanks' to all who took the time to listen I do welcome any comments good or bad and in spite of some of the previous points made I will keep posting the odd tune.

PS: I would be nice to see a few more folks posting their music.

Kind Regards and keep well, Col

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#457034 - 08/28/18 08:55 AM Re: Honest critique or just stay silent - which? [Re: Saswick]
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Sparky, it's in the box Jim (Zuki) delivered it in. I use one of my ancient SD-60's for drums.

R.

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#457048 - 08/28/18 04:30 PM Re: Honest critique or just stay silent - which? [Re: cgiles]
Steve A Offline
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Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Alot of the other forums & boards I used to frequent the Original Posters are trying to "make it" either as a performer or songwriter. So the criticism needs to be honest, sometimes brutally. On this board I do take the high road when someone says their live audience says they are the bomb when my ears tell me a different story when I hear their music.

This place is more "homey" & there are many hobbyists, who are NOT pursuing a career or fame. It is important for me not to offend them as they have no illusions of grandeur.

But if someone "thinks" they are good on this forum, & they are average, at least to these ears, I will simply let it ride.
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#457052 - 08/28/18 05:44 PM Re: Honest critique or just stay silent - which? [Re: Steve A]
cgiles Offline
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Originally Posted By Steve A
Alot of the other forums & boards I used to frequent the Original Posters are trying to "make it" either as a performer or songwriter. So the criticism needs to be honest, sometimes brutally. On this board I do take the high road when someone says their live audience says they are the bomb when my ears tell me a different story when I hear their music.

This place is more "homey" & there are many hobbyists, who are NOT pursuing a career or fame. It is important for me not to offend them as they have no illusions of grandeur.

But if someone "thinks" they are good on this forum, & they are average, at least to these ears, I will simply let it ride.


Excellent post.

chas
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#457054 - 08/28/18 06:25 PM Re: Honest critique or just stay silent - which? [Re: cgiles]
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Originally Posted By cgiles
Originally Posted By Steve A
Alot of the other forums & boards I used to frequent the Original Posters are trying to "make it" either as a performer or songwriter. So the criticism needs to be honest, sometimes brutally. On this board I do take the high road when someone says their live audience says they are the bomb when my ears tell me a different story when I hear their music.

This place is more "homey" & there are many hobbyists, who are NOT pursuing a career or fame. It is important for me not to offend them as they have no illusions of grandeur.

But if someone "thinks" they are good on this forum, & they are average, at least to these ears, I will simply let it ride.


Excellent post.

chas


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#457071 - 08/29/18 05:51 AM Re: Honest critique or just stay silent - which? [Re: cgiles]
Riceroni9 Offline
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Registered: 11/15/04
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Loc: TX, USA
Wisdom is an earned attribute... never endowed. I agree with Steve.

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