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#455891 - 08/09/18 09:48 AM A mess, a total mess... ugh...
Bill in Dayton Offline
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Registered: 08/23/04
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Loc: Dayton, OH USA
Hey guys - Bought a Tyros 5 about 18 months ago and for various reasons didn't start setting it up until earlier this year. A few more unexpected things happened and couldn't make much progress at that time.

I've been working on it in earnest on a daily basis the last six weeks or so and while there's a LOT I love about it, there's one (to me) major drawback that has prevented me (so far) from really being able to make it my main KB for gigging with.

This EQ-ing every instrument is over my head. I loaded in the global EQ settings a month ago and I didn't like the sound at all. The high end was very thing and the low end too boomy.

I then set it on the Line Out PA, which I thought was a decent improvement, but then when I tried it on a gig, it sucked. Especially the piano.

So, then I tried EQ-ing the piano and again, it got a little better buy the low end of the piano is still too boomy, the mids and highs are whimpy.

It's reminding me of an old Korg triton pro x 88 I had and wound up dumping because it was just too detailed.

Its a wholly different experience from the other Tyros's I've owned (1 & 2) and the PSR's (3000 and psr 970S) All of which, after some minor global tweaking, sounded fantastic and I used for years with nothing but praise.

I am frustrated beyond words.

Keeping in mind that I went through what the psrtutorial site suggest and didn't find the sound appealing, can someone please make some suggestions on how to set the global eq and then how to eq the piano so they don't sound so lame, please?

I play mostly nursing homes and animal clubs. I play pretty loud and do everything from big band/standards to classic country to 60/70's rock.

Help!

smile



Edited by Bill in Dayton (08/09/18 09:51 AM)
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#455893 - 08/09/18 11:16 AM Re: A mess, a total mess... ugh... [Re: Bill in Dayton]
Eric, B Offline
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Registered: 12/15/99
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Loc: Ventura, Ca, USA
Most of the time I don't like the EQ suggested by other members.
Way to extreme and makes the KB sound unnatural.
As Don says: use EQ sparingly.
For my needs I usually set the compressor first (4-5) if I remember correctly.
Then I start with EQ til I like the sound.
I am looking for fullness and a little sizzle.
I never go above 2-3. Otherwise it is too unnatural.
On my Genos the Compressor is set to 40
EQ 2-2-2-1-1-3-3-3
On my T4 I used EQ 2-2-2-1-1-2-2-2
The Genos needed a little more.
I don't touch the other settings.
To me those setting brings the Instrument alive without changing the natural sound of the Instruments.
As I said: Try for yourself, but less is more.
Good Luck.
Eric.
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#455897 - 08/09/18 12:36 PM Re: A mess, a total mess... ugh... [Re: Eric, B]
Dnj Offline
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Don't listen to anyone's settings...
USE YOUR OWN EARS coupled with YOUR SPEAKERS hopefully in stereo...
EQ each style part individually on EVERY song.
Also be ready to EQ your overall sound to adapt to each room... there is no Master EQ for all venues..you should go to an empty venue room like an animal club etc,... set up alone and play at performance volumes for a few hours to get the sound EQ & CMP you can work with, then take it out to gigs and KEEP making changes on the fly week after week till it's right,....this takes time, also record all your jobs and listen close to what needs to be changed,.....also with a T5 vs what you used to play T2?...is a totally different beast sound wise now.
good luck


Edited by Dnj (08/10/18 04:32 AM)

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#455912 - 08/09/18 04:00 PM Re: A mess, a total mess... ugh... [Re: Bill in Dayton]
travlin'easy Offline
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Bill, what PA system are you using? This has a lot of bearing on where the settings must be set.

Gary cool
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#455922 - 08/10/18 03:57 AM Re: A mess, a total mess... ugh... [Re: travlin'easy]
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Bill, and I have seen that name many tmes in the past; what keyboard were you playing before you bought the Tyros?

John C.

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#455923 - 08/10/18 04:58 AM Re: A mess, a total mess... ugh... [Re: Bill in Dayton]
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#455925 - 08/10/18 07:22 AM Re: A mess, a total mess... ugh... [Re: Bill in Dayton]
Bill in Dayton Offline
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Registered: 08/23/04
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Loc: Dayton, OH USA
Thanks to everyone for the responses so far.

To the questions asked,

I've been using a Bose Compact for several years and before the T5 I've been using a PSR 970S, which sounds gorgeous through the Bose...
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#455931 - 08/10/18 08:17 AM Re: A mess, a total mess... ugh... [Re: Bill in Dayton]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By Bill in Dayton
Thanks to everyone for the responses so far.

To the questions asked,

I've been using a Bose Compact for several years


mono or stereo with two?

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#455934 - 08/10/18 10:06 AM Re: A mess, a total mess... ugh... [Re: Bill in Dayton]
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Bill, I believe the T5 has a sound engine that is very similar to the S-970, therefore the settings you used on the S-970 should work just fine on the T5 either in mono or stereo.

I think there were some drastic changes made in the Grand Piano voice of the T5, which may account for some of the problems you are encountering. Try using one of the piano voices I created several years ago, which are mono voices, and see if this makes a difference. You can download them from https://app.box.com/s/620aqowt5q1vlnvcl7n9

Hope this helps,

Gary cool
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#455937 - 08/10/18 11:32 AM Re: A mess, a total mess... ugh... [Re: Dnj]
Bill in Dayton Offline
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Registered: 08/23/04
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Loc: Dayton, OH USA
Mono ... Running two stereo 1/4" cables out of the L/R/L outputs into channel 4/5 on the Tonematch. One cable out to a single Compact...
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#455938 - 08/10/18 11:39 AM Re: A mess, a total mess... ugh... [Re: travlin'easy]
Bill in Dayton Offline
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Registered: 08/23/04
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Loc: Dayton, OH USA
Thanks, Gary - I'll give it a try .

The 970S was almost "plug-n-play" Yamaha did such a nice job with it. Plus, the ability to control the reverb on the fly for your chosen voice is fantastic for guitars, horns, etc...

It's my understanding that you can't do it that way on the T5. Instead, you have to go in and edit the default guitar sound for example, add the amount of desired effects - save it - and then save it as part of a registration. That way you always have it, but the controls for that part of the T5 are confusing to me and generally, I don't know what the terms mean and can't really find the right sound.

Versus the knob on the PsrS970 - just a simple turn deepened the reverb nicely , easily and was easily turned back down when the phrase/section was over.

Seems like they made a LOT of things harder on the T5.

You know what this reminds me of?

The older timers around here will remember when I picked up a Korg Triton ProX -88 ...Biggest waste of money and time I ever had.

I don't want to spend all this time editing & programming sounds. That's not my bag, never has been, never will be. I want to sit down, with a reasonable amount of effort be able to build a song via styles that I find pleasing.

Maybe the T5 was just a big mistake. Really disappointed so far...
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#455939 - 08/10/18 12:11 PM Re: A mess, a total mess... ugh... [Re: Bill in Dayton]
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Bill using two bose compacs in stereo will make a big difference
that's what the Yamaha sounds & style do very well ..


Edited by Dnj (08/10/18 12:27 PM)

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#455941 - 08/10/18 01:02 PM Re: A mess, a total mess... ugh... [Re: Bill in Dayton]
Impuls Offline
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Registered: 02/24/02
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Loc: Netherlands
Always work in stereo with synths and keyboards , al samples are made in stereo

Impuls :-)
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#455944 - 08/10/18 02:35 PM Re: A mess, a total mess... ugh... [Re: Bill in Dayton]
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Loc: Benton, LA, USA
The reverb control was the coolest thing on the 970. The knob was programmable, but that was the default setting.
I have asked Korg to add that to the list of controllable parameters on the PA series.
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#455949 - 08/10/18 09:36 PM Re: A mess, a total mess... ugh... [Re: Bill in Dayton]
Bill in Dayton Offline
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Loc: Dayton, OH USA
I used the T2 and the PSR S 970 in mono and it sounded fantastic.
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