Found this at PSR Tutorial.

Nice Find. I like his chops and the ways hes using Genos. Harmonizer aint too bad. Wondering if it is actually the VH2 or something else
Jim

That was an outstanding demo !! If I was in the market for a new keyboard and had £4000 spare cash ... nah I still wouldn’t buy the Genos but I would be tempted 😉.

Anyway I am living my Pa4X too much . But seriously that kind of demo will appeal to contemporary musicians who wrote compose and perform .

Talented lad. Enjoyed that.

I want to see some great demos of NON contemporary music...lets here what the orchestral voices are like...are they BETTER than T-5 by a lot??
Lee

Yamaha are pushing this style of music hard with Genos, and I understand why they're doing so. The problem is, there is an absolute disconnect with the market they seem to be targeting and its (general) ability or inclination to spend over four thousand pounds on a keyboard. This is the generation that is used to their Macbook Pros, Ableton Live and cheap, 'fairy light' controllers with lots of knobs and sliders.

I'll agree with that ...good observations for sure..

You could probably get a T5 at a amazing price right now...

That's the group I think Yamaha try to reach with Genos, and the young ones in particular.

wow
amazing . Sadi is very talented who knows how to use the genos, and the genos sounds like the best professional keyboard and not like an arranger.
very impresive keys , to my taste the best I 've ever heared.

+ 1, I must be showing my age I prefer the styles that many arranger players here use. I'm stuck in a bygone era. I do completely understand why Yamaha is doing what they are doing they need to attract new blood.

Most of those young ones can't afford one...they better stick to us old farts....
I hope they do get the younger crowd but...just sayin....

Ha, Ha,
Lee

The thing is though , all of the legacy and premium package styles will work on the genos just like they did on the T5,4,3,2 etc . Therefore those that prefer the more tradition styles are not disadvantaged at all . If you liked the T5 you will love the genos too regardless of the contemporary styles onboard .

For years as a younger keyboard player (under 50 ) , I had to see past the cheesy demos of older styles and more culturally diverse styles which make up 80 percent of the content of most arrangers , and instead focus on what I knew I would be able to do with the 20 percent I liked and the styles and content I knew in my head I could create .

Finally we are seeing the balance shift more in favour of the contemporary styles I like to play . That’s great news for everyone as now the true potential of these types of machine are being marketed as truly the Swiss Army knife we have always said it was .

But Yamaha need to get some more demos out for those customers who for some reason can’t see past these new styles or imagine what they could do with the board or have missed the message that the genos is still the same old arranger in some new clothes but the wardrobe is full of clothes so you can wear what you like !!

It’s a shame that Yamaha needs to spell this out , but clearly from reading some of the comments on this forum , Yamaha needs to spell this out more forcefully ( without alienating the new market they are after ).

But the prices are rediculous and the sensible trade up now would be to purchase a cheap T5 or 4 .

+1
Thinking about it, with a price gap aprox £1000 or even more between Genos and the other brands upper class arrangers it's maybe a good reason (at least for me) to keep the T4 and add a PA4X-76 (or SD9).....

I didn't know that we know for sure that ALL the old T-5 styles are NOT in there????
Just because most of the demos so fare feature different stuff...does that mean the old ones are NOT there and NOT even better due to enhanced sound quality??

Young people spend money on new tech toys. Facts Per Charles Schwab.

That's why they don't have money for a Genos!

I really don't understand those on this forum that think $4,500 is a lot of money for a TOTL arranger keyboard. These are the same folks that don't blink to spend $45,000 on a new car, their wives spend $5,000 on an air bed that tilts, shell out $4,000 a year for lawn and garden services, pay $350 a month for condo fees, climb aboard a cruise ship with their spouse for a week and shell out $2,500 for fattening food and a small cabin, plus a booze bill of $1,200, and the list goes on. The cost of a Genos is chump change by comparison, especially for something that can not only provide you years of entertainment, for some of us, it could produce a damned good income for years to come.

Give me a break!

Gary

Plus latest IPhones and the monthly fees, 50"+ Smart TVs, Cable fees, Tablets, Computers etc............

Jerryghr

Gary, change the "condo" to HOA and dump the "cruise ship" and you just described me to a tee (actually my new Genesis was a tad more than 45k but who's counting ). It's not that I think the Genos is too expensive; it's just that I don't have $4500 worth of interest in ANY arranger keyboard, past, present, or future. As far as JUSTIFYING such a purchase, that's not something most MEN do (women, yes; men, no). If they want it and can scrape up the cash, they'll buy it, period. As far as I can observe, the only one's that could justify it from a BUSINESS point of view, would be Chony, DonM, Musicforyourday, and one or two other full-timers, but even in their cases, they could probably do the job with a less costly instrument. The only person that could TRULY justify it, based on project size and ROI, would be Russ; and I don't see him chomping at the bit to get one. Supports my theory that most people buy this type of stuff just because they want it. They may come up with a faux justification to satisfy a spouse or quell some sense of guilt over what they know in their heart is probably a frivious purchase. Anyway, that's just my take on it (which doesn't mean it's true ).

chas

My cellphone bill is $300. a month, but that's for four of us, and the two boys pay their parts. It's lots of money but we all depend on them for lots of things.
I use mine for texts, internet searches, GPS, golf rangefinder/gps, pretty sophisticated camera (still and video). I listen to books in MP3 format, which I download free from the local library. It's also an internet hub so I can connect my laptop when needed. Many use theirs for music players. I have used it a time or two, when I didn't have the the laptop with me, to look up lyrics/chords for requests. I even use it for PHONE CALLS! It is also important in my position as auxiliary deputy sheriff, which I do about once a week. In addition, if I have a problem while on the lake in my bass boat, I can reach somebody for help, or someone can reach me if there is an emergency. And it is tax-deductible, at least the part used for work.
My wife uses hers a LOT for communication, photos, texts and phone calls, both related to her job and personally.
One of my sons is in internet security and often uses his in relation to his job. We all use them to stay in communication with one another. I can pick it up and instantly talk to my other son and grandsons in Oklahoma, and see them when I talk to them! Amazing!
Next to my keyboard, it is my most important piece of gear!
Back to the subject. I wouldn't hesitate to spend a bunch of money on an arranger, and I remember spending about $7,000. for an organ, before arrangers. That was a lot of money then, and I paid dealer cost
for it! And then you needed, Leslie, dolly, big P.A., high-end mixer, and a big van to haul the stuff in.
I'm lucky that I can now have the current arranger best suited for my needs, for about half the price of the Genos. Still if the Genos was twice as good, or maybe even 10 percent better, I would consider it. In my opinion, for me, it is not even as good as what I have. However, as about 99 percent of us, I haven't seen or played one, so I don't KNOW that, but can only make a semi-educated guess. I won't even go out of the way to audition one, since I'm not in the market. I'm a happy camper--great cell phone, great arranger, great job, great family, great friends, great life!

Well said, my friend. And well thought out too!

Thanks for the responses, guys. My wife is considering spending $12,000 on upgrading the kitchen, and she really doesn't enjoy cooking - but damned, those cabinets will really look great when someone comes to visit, which is not more than a couple times a year.

If I were still working, and were 20 years younger, then I would seriously consider a Genos, but not at this stage of life. I am amazed at the wonderful sounds/voices that I have heard on the demos - very, very realistic, pure, wonderful effects, probably the best in the industry, but again, I will not know unless I hear them in person. Might have to pick up DNJ later in the winter and make a road trip north. NAH! Don't want to tempt the boy!

All the best,

Gary

Gary,,,,yes +1

If you make that road trip north to Frank’s be sure to let us know! I’ll meet you there and I’m sure TonyMads will take the ride with me. Just don’t make it January or February when I hope to be in Florida not shoveling snow.

I can guarantee you it will NOT be in January or February - too damned cold for this old man in New England. And, I will likely take the Amtrac, which gets me there in just a few hours instead of an all day drive. I hate driving through NYC!

Gary

Amtrak is the way to go take it to New Haven and I’ll give you a lift to Audioworks from there.

Hope to see you soon. Gotta visit with an orthopedic, surgeon who specializes in back surgeries, in a few weeks, and if he can provide me with some positive results, I just may have to go under the knife for the third time. With luck, I will be able to make the trip in early December, depending on the Dr visit outcome.

Keep in touch,

Gary

Gary good luck with the surgeon!

Gary I hope you get relief got Genos sitting next to me great unit all those guys saying stuff about it got no idea what this thing can do.

haters if you guys love Korg then love it.

but saying this is a a bad unit is simple crazy .

I this it great and will sound great with it

and that all that really matters

Gary 28lbs and 76 keys

may i say anything more yes I can it sounds Great.

Thanks guys, for the well wishes. Tonight, I cleaned the family room, vacuuming floors, both carpeted and tiled, then cleaning some spots off the carpet with LA Absolutely Awesome Cleaner that I purchased at the Dollar Store - incredible product. It took me 2 hours to do a 30 minute job because my back pain was so horrendous that I had to frequently stop, go on nasal oxygen and sit in a recliner with a heating pad on my back. Later, I had to pop a Morphine, which I hate to do, and washed it down with 12 ounces of Jim Beam Honey Bourbon. Now, I'm groggy as Hell, but still semi-functional, kinda like I was when I was an 18 year old kid in the Navy and on liberty in Barcelona, Spain where a 20 ounce beer was about a nickel in US currency. Oh my, that was sure a fun time in my life.

What I find amazing about the Genos is the incredible sounds/voices - they are so realistic. What I also find amazing is the number of individuals that claim it's an overpriced piece of junk when they know absolutely nothing about it. Sure glad I drink good booze.

All the best,

Gary

Gary I always listen carefully when you comment on music matters because it’s usually based upon years of real world experience . But the cost of a top of the range arranger is a real impediment to the purchasing decision for most musicians period . They don’t buy expensive luxury cars or go on Luxury cruises .

I visit many music forums and actively converse with many musicians across the world and face to face in real life in the uk . There is absolutely no question that the price is an impediment to the purchase of the Genos .

Maybe only the richest 1 percent of musicians visit synthzone .

Arrangers are expensive tools and Yamaha typically charge sometimes over £1000 more than the competition for their top of the line latest iteration of mostly the same thing they put out 3 years earlier . They can charge these prices because there are sufficient people willing to pay it that overlap the demographic you described above . But the new market they appear to be after are song writers or people who aspire to be songwriters and producers . The cost of a single genos as a music creation tool is likely to exceed the total cost of every piece of music equipment a typical aspiring song writer owns including their hands !!!! ! Now that might be a slight exaggeration 😁 but you can understand my point , £4500 is a big deal period . Let alone for the average song writer or gigging musician .

Gary - TWELVE oz of bourbon??? Yikes. I never drank that muck straight alcohol in one shot ever. That'd lay me out for the night, and maybe longer!
(I'm such a lightweight, where drinking is concerned)

Spalding, I really don't personally, know any singer/song writers, other than the few here on this forum, and some other forums. So I cannot address their income levels. However, 90 percent of the arranger keyboard players I know personally probably have sufficient discretionary income in their checking account to just write a check for the Genos and never look back. This is because the majority have other forms of income and only a tiny fraction of them rely on music for their sole source of income. I suspect, though, that by and large, singer/song writers are a very, very small group of impoverished, very talented individuals worldwide. I could be wrong, though.

If I were to consider a Genos, it would be purely as a business decision, though I am very excited about the new and improved voices/sounds I've heard and how the styles are treated in interfacing these new instruments. If I were 20 years younger, and still out there performing 7 days a week, plus some nighttime jobs, the Genos would be a top contender when my PSR-S950 wears out. This, of course, would be a capital expenditure for the business, therefore, allowing me to deduct the expense on my business, income tax return. Believe me, the Genos would readily earn it's keep for any gigging musician, and I think it would for a music producer as well.

Dave, Jim Beam Honey Bourbon is only 70-proof, not very strong when it comes to whiskeys. I have not been plastered since I was a very young man, and don't intend to ever be that way again. Sometimes, though, the combination of pain killer drugs and booze helps take the edge off the back pain, but never really takes it away. The bourbon acts as a muscle relaxer, which is what is needed with back pain resulting from nerve root compression due to adhesion. The pain is sometimes so excruciating that it results in partial paralysis of my right leg. Besides, the bourbon tastes good, too!

All the best,

Gary

I never liked the way I felt when I "took the edge off". Even after my 2 recent surgeries, I opted out of the narcotics. I just don't like the way they make me feel. As for the booze - I started singing in bars, with 30 year old bandmates, when I was about 16, and I saw the effects that the booze had on the crowd, and the band. That's when I decided that it wasn't going to be a part of my life, especially my on stage life. C'mon ... I mean, how many other people pour a drink as soon as they get to work?
I realize my opinion is very much in the minority, and my business would suffer greatly without the sale of alcohol, but geeze - I don't get it. It's just not my cup of tea. Actually, TEA, is my cup of tea.
Drink up, my friend ... 'sall guud

I never drank on the job, Dave - always thought that was really dumb on the part of the entertainer. The best entertainment I had as a performer was to watch the drunks in the crowd - now that, sometimes, was very entertaining.

I don't like the way morphine makes me feel, drowsy, half asleep, but it does a good job in reducing the pain, which is what it was intended for. You really don't get high with morphine, but I guess some folks think they are when they take enough to kill them. It is not a stimulant, but instead, a suppressant, which is just the opposite. I never could quite understand why people got hooked on morphine - did they want to just be semi-conscious or comatose? Never made any sense to me at all.

I do enjoy the taste of Jim Bean Honey, though - great tasting bourbon!

All the best,

Gary

I'd have a pint of light and bitter in the interval back then. Mind you, my bladder could hold it through the second set in those days.

Unfortunately, when you grow older, you end up with a one beer, or cup of coffee, bladder. Anything beyond that instantly must be excreted immediately upon urge. Don't ask me how I know this!

Good luck,

Gary

Okay, I won't ask then.