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#385326 - 02/26/14 09:04 AM
Re: Audio styles
[Re: Bachus]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15560
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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OK guys, just fire up those word processor programs and send Yamaha USA via Steve Demming a letter stating what you think they should do - who knows, you may get your wishes. Think about it: You asked for a black keyboard, you got it. You asked for a 76-key TOTL arranger, you got it. You asked for a better vocal harmonizer - you got it. You asked for an onboard audio recorder - you got it. You asked for an MFD that could access style files from any storage area - you got it. You asked for a better onboard sound system - you got it. You asked for a better LED display - you got it. In fact, Yamaha is probably the only company that had their company rep put a questionnaire on various forums and request input from the membership. "Yamaha Listens" Within reason, Yamaha pretty much did everything that everyone asked for. All you had to do was ask. So, step up to the plate and spend a few minutes compiling a written list in the form of a letter, send it to Steve Demming, and who knows, you may get exactly what you asked for. With Yamaha, it's not all that uncommon. Thanks Yamaha, Gary
Edited by travlin'easy (02/26/14 09:10 AM)
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#385347 - 02/26/14 02:48 PM
Re: Audio styles
[Re: Bachus]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15560
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Don and Donny, I really cannot complain about any Yamaha arranger keyboard I've owned in two decades. I'll admit, they could have done a better job with the vocal harmonizer in the past, but the new one on the S-950 seems to do a bang-up job. It really sounds good, in fact, almost as good as my TC Helicon Harmony-M, but not quite. The drum kits have never been a problem for me or my audiences. Keep in mind, though, that I really don't rely heavily on the drum kits - my best attribute is my vocal ability. Today I performed at the oldest retirement community in the nation, Pickersgill Retirement. I was in their auditorium, had about 125 people in the audience, and one of the assistant ADs came in with a half-dozen college girls from Towson State University - damned those gals were purdy! The assistant AD asked my to play Hot Hot Hot, which I did live, using the Zuke style on the keyboard. Within a few minutes I had 50 people in a conga line winding through the huge room and out into the halways. Later, a young lady from the book keeping department came in, walked up to me while I was playing Elvira, and asked if I would perform "He Stopped Loving Her Today." She said I sound a lot like George Jones and thought I could really belt out the song. When I finished the song, she came up and gave me a big hug and kiss - God I love this job. In all the years I've been playing, both with bands and when I picked guitar with a Roland drum machine, no one has ever come up and said anything positive or negative about the drums - not one person, including a lot of musicians. So for me, it's a non-issue. All the best, Gary
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#385404 - 02/27/14 07:59 AM
Re: Audio styles
[Re: Bachus]
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Senior Member
Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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I'd rather have the full MIDI based styles than either full audio (Ketron) or audio drums (Yamaha).
These two latter style types are still too restrictive (especially Yamaha) to be of any real use to someone like me who does a lot of editing.
The Ketron are obviously more flexible, but the fact that they don't use all audio parts for all possible chords is not acceptable to me.
With Yamaha, it is not possible to share edited audio drum styles, even with those with the same instrument...big drawback.
So, I'll stick with an instrument that uses only MIDI based styles, thank you very much, until the technology comes along to overcome these non-acceptable (to me) disadvantages.
Ian
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#385408 - 02/27/14 08:25 AM
Re: Audio styles
[Re: ianmcnll]
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Registered: 03/02/06
Posts: 7143
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I'd rather have the full MIDI based styles than either full audio (Ketron) or audio drums (Yamaha).
These two latter style types are still too restrictive (especially Yamaha) to be of any real use to someone like me who does a lot of editing.
The Ketron are obviously more flexible, but the fact that they don't use all audio parts for all possible chords is not acceptable to me.
With Yamaha, it is not possible to share edited audio drum styles, even with those with the same instrument...big drawback.
So, I'll stick with an instrument that uses only MIDI based styles, thank you very much, until the technology comes along to overcome these non-acceptable (to me) disadvantages.
Ian I would rather have both... Sometimes guitartracks add things which arent possible yet with todays midi technollogy... However there are vsts allready that come really really close.. But indeed most of the times espescially with advanced chords midi is much more dynamic.. And while you can get a lot of audio stuff from huge libraries of audio loops, i agree that midi is so much more edditable.. Almost allways having more options allows for better endresults.. Both are not mutually exclusive, and you dont have to choose, you can have both, but if i had to choose based on current technollogy, i agree that i would choose midi based styles..
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#385473 - 02/28/14 04:41 AM
Re: Audio styles
[Re: Bachus]
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Senior Member
Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Bachus, you know, when you think of it, our MIDI based styles are actually audio in nature, since the midi notes are triggering/playing samples or multiple samples, which are audio recordings of the instrument.
Yamaha and Korg added more power, flexibility and realism by using Mega Voices and DNC technology respectively...nothing really "new" but still far more powerful than basic one-shot samples.
I also feel that most arranger users only use about one-third of their instrument's editing abilities, hence the clamor for third party styles and sounds, but that's another topic for another time.
Ian
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