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#363946 - 03/28/13 09:41 AM New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO
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I cant wait to try these babys!! headphone

The on-board MIXER looks interesting.

DLM Series


Edited by Dnj (03/28/13 09:48 AM)

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#363958 - 03/28/13 01:46 PM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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If you think that you will have the time to go peer behind the speakers at a tiny B&W display to make any mix adjustments..!
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#363962 - 03/28/13 02:24 PM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Diki]
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Try EV ZLX.Those are new from EV.They are 399 for 12 powered and 499 for 15 powered.They'll have same spl as mackies.
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#363966 - 03/28/13 04:41 PM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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I think the big advantage of the Mackies is the built in mixer with effects. No outboard mixer needed. EV's look like they have no mixer onboard. The new Yamaha DLX series is also attractive because the have a three channel mixer with a stereo link jack, very cool. No effects thought. Last I spoke with George Kaye he said a pair of 10"s will blow the room away.
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#363972 - 03/29/13 12:04 AM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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Bill... I have 2 of the Yamaha DXR10 speakers. They sound amazing... Just as good if not better than the QSC K10 speakers which cost $150 more per box. Great value and a 7 year warranty to boot. Plus, Yamaha added processing from NEXO which make these speakers shine!!

I was a Mackie guy for many years. I owned 4 SRM450 (Italy and USA models) speakers. Loved them... But Mackie changed quality over the years. I see a lot of Mackie in the repair shops in our area.

The new version of the Mackie, the DLM series, looks cool... Just hope the quality of the parts are better than the "Made In China" SRM stuff!
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#363978 - 03/29/13 05:00 AM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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I'll stick with Mackie Speakers/ subs for my needs ...they have NEVER failed me and IMO sound amazing in any situation,...
everything else I've used on stage including Yamaha, Bose, EV, JBL,& more have all come and gone....my ears tell me what's the right choice.

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#363981 - 03/29/13 05:49 AM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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The DLM's do look amazing and I agree with Johnathan. A while back I had a conversation with the tech at my favorite repair shop when I saw a Mackie in for service, Central Jersey Music in Edison. He confirmed things had changed at Mackie. The other tip he gave me was the first generation of the Fender PA's weren't holding up well either.
But Donny I'm still interested in your review so hurry up and get them. HA!
They do take "portable" to whole new level.
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#363984 - 03/29/13 06:05 AM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Bill Lewis]
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Originally Posted By: Bill Lewis
The DLM's do look amazing and I agree with Johnathan. A while back I had a conversation with the tech at my favorite repair shop when I saw a Mackie in for service, Central Jersey Music in Edison. He confirmed things had changed at Mackie. The other tip he gave me was the first generation of the Fender PA's weren't holding up well either.
But Donny I'm still interested in your review so hurry up and get them. HA!
They do take "portable" to whole new level.


Bill when I get a chance Fran & myself will enjoy breakfast and go test out the Mackies at Sam Ash or GC somewhere in the future....I would be very surprised if the new DLM series doesn't Amaze!! headphone to be continued.....

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#363997 - 03/29/13 07:39 AM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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I have to plug my EV's here- not because I'm selling them, but because i think they are the clearest and lightest around. I always used an outboard mixer/power amp or powered mixer whether as a solo or with the band. I can't go with the idea of set it and forget it powered speakers. If you realize you need to make an adjustment to volume or tone, you can't very well run back and forth from your keyboard to the speakers until you get it right, even though you thought it was right before you started. The EVsb122 sub is smooth as silk, and the zx1's do with 8" what others need 10 or 12 to do. The weight (36lb sub/16 lb satellite, and pole) of the tower is less than that of a bose L1 tower. And the can be carried separately to lighten the load. I use a bag with both zx1's in it and covers for the subs.It requires pole mounting and a jumper cable between both speakers rather than a click of the stick tower stuff, but that is minimal time for maximum profit and quality..the Mackies are very expensive as are the Yamahas. If powered speaker is the way to go, I would do as suggested and look at the new EV zlx line, or current live x/zx lines.
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#363999 - 03/29/13 07:48 AM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: sparky589]
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Originally Posted By: sparky589
I have to plug my EV's here- not because I'm selling them, but because i think they are the clearest and lightest around. I always used an outboard mixer/power amp or powered mixer whether as a solo or with the band. I can't go with the idea of set it and forget it powered speakers. If you realize you need to make an adjustment to volume or tone, you can't very well run back and forth from your keyboard to the speakers until you get it right, even though you thought it was right before you started. The EVsb122 sub is smooth as silk, and the zx1's do with 8" what others need 10 or 12 to do. The weight (36lb sub/16 lb satellite, and pole) of the tower is less than that of a bose L1 tower. And the can be carried separately to lighten the load. I use a bag with both zx1's in it and covers for the subs.It requires pole mounting and a jumper cable between both speakers rather than a click of the stick tower stuff, but that is minimal time for maximum profit and quality..the Mackies are very expensive as are the Yamahas. If powered speaker is the way to go, I would do as suggested and look at the new EV zlx line, or current live x/zx lines.


Glad you love your EV's but talking favorite speakers is a NO WIN situation everyone loves something else so many to choose from & so personal....bottom line is how does it sound & what do you put thru them in the end is what matters.. headphone


Edited by Dnj (03/29/13 07:49 AM)

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#364007 - 03/29/13 09:22 AM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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I can't disagree with you there. Same can be said about powered vs passive. I always needed at least 4 channels for a solo so some kind of mixer was needed. If you're soloing with a keyboard and mic that runs through it the least amount of pieces you can get away with the better. Have these (mackie) actually hit the big box store shelves yet?
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#364008 - 03/29/13 09:41 AM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: sparky589]
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Originally Posted By: sparky589
I can't disagree with you there. Same can be said about powered vs passive. I always needed at least 4 channels for a solo so some kind of mixer was needed. If you're soloing with a keyboard and mic that runs through it the least amount of pieces you can get away with the better. Have these (mackie) actually hit the big box store shelves yet?


I always use a mixer to control KB, music & vocals,
Looks like in stores $699, (8) $849,(12)
$999.00, (sub).....I'm sure Frankie V. at Audioworks CT would be able to give us some more info on them & a great deal..
http://www.audioworksct.com/

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#364010 - 03/29/13 10:01 AM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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For the money there are much better choices than these Mackies.Jbl prx600,Yamaha DXR.Yamaha DSR would blow any of these away.QSC K series.
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#364011 - 03/29/13 11:00 AM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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I have all these speakers side by side
HK Nano
HK Elements
LD Maui
Yamaha DXR
Mackie DL series

I love the flat response of the Elements, it works in everyroom with out a problem.

I think the Yamaha DXR series is the best powered for the money, the QSCs are about $150 more, but the NEXO based Yamaha's are great. I have a set of DXR12's for monitors on a Yamaha DTX900 electronic kit, and it moves allot of air, and sounds great.

The Mackies take the least amount of space with the Coax design. They have a great sound to them. They are extremely easy to transport because of their small footprint. The eq / xover / mixer section is very helpful in a bunch of situations.

I think, if you have the room and money, it's the HK Elements.

If you lack space but have the money, go with the Mackies

If you have space and a not the biggest budget go Yamaha,

Give me a call, I've used all of them in live situations including single performers to full band set-ups
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#364012 - 03/29/13 11:11 AM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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I have QSC K-8 and the Yamaha dxr and dxs series 12in and 15 subs ans it is a very good product for yhe money QSC K-8 star of the bunch . yamaha a bit punchy and a little trebley but over all very good I use system for outdoor concerts and they do very well.
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#364017 - 03/29/13 01:01 PM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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I have used Mackie's for donkey's years, but some friends have the new QSC's... absolutely no comparison. The horn on the QSC's is clear, doesn't sound 'plastic-y', and goes a LOT louder before nasty overtones kick in.

The Mackie SRM450 was a good product for its time, but it always struck me that most of the good points were about construction and features. Not the 'sound'. Compared to upper tier JBL's, it never sounded that good, and compared to the QSC's, same deal.

Perhaps these new Mackie DLM's can bring Mackie back to the forefront? The coaxial design is novel, keeping the size down. Power is exaggerated, as most companies do nowadays. 2000W really means about 1000W RMS, maybe lower before THD% sets in too much. You need a boatload of ClassD power to be the equivalent of a Class A or B amp! But they are heat efficient, which is what you need if you are going to stick them in a speaker!

No-one round my area has one of these DLM systems yet, but several friends and clubs have gone with the QSC's. All sound great for having done so.
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#364018 - 03/29/13 01:26 PM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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It doesn't really matter if they say it's 2000 or 1000 W.
All it matters is SPL,because that is what human ear hears.
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#364019 - 03/29/13 01:49 PM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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So I wonder how they stack up against TWO BOSE L1 systems in stereo?....the QSC units I heard at some DJ showcases didn't impress me at all,Their jokes on what their name means is legendary. QSC has been said to mean Quit Selling Crows.
Or Quit Selling Crap. rotf2
Yet actually means Quilter Sound Company...most DJ's around here are Pumping Mackie or JBL or EV live X tops with SUBS if that's your thing.The biggest problem that people overlook is the long-term evaluation of a product. When it comes to EV, JBL, QSC, MACKIE, . One could put a blindfold on and most often any of these brands would make one proud to own them.


Edited by Dnj (03/29/13 02:02 PM)

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#364021 - 03/29/13 02:50 PM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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I found Dj playing mp3 it sounds thin but when you use for keyboards I like the QSC k-8 very small and deliver a great sound most of the time I can't use the bass switch because it is too much bass .

I have heard that the bose are very good I have never used them.
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#364023 - 03/29/13 03:09 PM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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Who uses the QSC's without a sub and expects full sound except for really nearfield use?

I've heard the 12"'s used with a pair of subs fill a club of several hundred to full blast live rock band levels. And do large outdoor venues, with crystal clear sound.

You need to quit judging equipment on how badly a DJ can make it sound!
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#364024 - 03/29/13 04:56 PM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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We have plenty of top LIVE rated big name bands all along the Jersey Shore and in Atlantic City Casinos that Ive heard many many times, hardly see any QSC gear vs the rest on their stages,....I don't have to stop doing anything,I know what I'm talking about. I see where this is going so I will bow out of this thread sorry.

Happy Easter

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#364029 - 03/29/13 09:12 PM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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Mackie has always been great at being funny when marketing a new product. Check out this launch video for the DLM speakers.

http://youtu.be/IeDRLmH9xCQ
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#364038 - 03/30/13 05:57 AM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: Dnj]
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The truth is, all equipment is good to a certain level. Unfortunately the end user can make or break a product, also the end user has his own perspective of sound. I heard QSC K's and Mackie SRM sound amazing and sound like crap. Just because you buy something doesn't mean you know how to use it properly.

Plus what's going in you signal chain matters allot too. You can't expect to put an entry level sub $80 mixer, with a limited eq, a very small knowledge of sound, then run it into a $1000 speaker and get the ultimate sound, all you are doing is amplifying crap.

If all performers knew what they were doing and using decent mixers, cables, mics, all the QSC, Mackie's, Yamaha's etc, will sound great, some will have a more preferred sound to some people while that same sound might be unliked by others.

The bottom line is I need more customers so I can pay my bills

hahahah

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#364039 - 03/30/13 06:06 AM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: frankieve]
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Originally Posted By: frankieve
The truth is, all equipment is good to a certain level. Unfortunately the end user can make or break a product, also the end user has his own perspective of sound. I heard QSC K's and Mackie SRM sound amazing and sound like crap. Just because you buy something doesn't mean you know how to use it properly.

Plus what's going in you signal chain matters allot too. You can't expect to put an entry level sub $80 mixer, with a limited eq, a very small knowledge of sound, then run it into a $1000 speaker and get the ultimate sound, all you are doing is amplifying crap.

If all performers knew what they were doing and using decent mixers, cables, mics, all the QSC, Mackie's, Yamaha's etc, will sound great, some will have a more preferred sound to some people while that same sound might be unliked by others.

The bottom line is I need more customers so I can pay my bills

hahahah

smile


Great analogy Frankie !!"what's going in you signal chain matters allot too",....exactly! headphone

Buona Pasqua

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#364066 - 03/30/13 12:17 PM Re: New Mackie DLM Series 2000W Powered Speakers DEMO [Re: frankieve]
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Frank-

Who do you give the edge to- HK element or LDmaui28?
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