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#349604 - 08/23/12 09:32 PM Re: Hooked my Audya to our sound system [Re: leezone]
Henni Offline
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 2913
Loc: South Africa
Originally Posted By: leezone
"and especially now that AJ added those AWESOME T4 choir voices to the Audya library!!!" really...i'd love to hear them voices coming from the AUDYA


Hi Leezone,

Am I missing something here? We both have Audyas - we both want our Audyas to be the best it can be. I've loaded AJ's demos direct on my Audya in MP3 format. (Search for AJAM demos over here & you'll find link).

In my modest opinion, AJ did a fantastic job. I listened more than once to every single demo and I am amazed by the quality.

I could not care less where those samples are from. (Most use other's midis & MP3s, they gig with it and they are paid well for doing so) In his readme file AJ describes the professional musicians who were hired to create all the new Live guitar and other audio parts.

It is such a pity this friction between AJ & Ketron. I honestly do not know the history behind this.

Now I'm forced to decide:

1. Do I want to add AJ's fantastic additions to my Audya & loose all support from Tonewheeldude. And for me his support thus far has been as AWESOME as my Audya by itself. I do not have enough good things to say about Darren!!!

2. Do I loose out on this GREAT addon, but still get help in case needed.

I do not want to become Ketron's enemy - but then I really also want everything AJ has for my Audya. Not an easy one to make...

Such a pity we cannot all just rather work together to make the Audya all it can be. Maybe a solution would be an extra HD, loaded with the latest Ketron stuff only. Then an AJ HD loaded with his stuff. If I experience problems with his & the help is not available promply like with Darren, I can re-install the original Ketron HD till help arrives.

Leezone, do yourself a HUGE favor - load AJ's demo MP3's on your Audya. Then use a pair of good quality earphones and go sit undesturbed and listen. I'll say no more as I'll not become part of this "fight". I love my Audya, but I also love all you guys and appreciate everything that everyone of you did for this AWESOME arranger.

There are tons of free stuff available for the Yamaha's (Nearly 65 000 styles only on PSRToturial alone). I'd like to see something similar starting to happen for the Audya. And this will greatly benefit the popularity of this AWESOME but much neglected product.

Unfortunately it won't, not with our current attitude towards each other and it's such a pity...

Keep well all my friends,
Henni
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#349610 - 08/23/12 11:32 PM Re: Hooked my Audya to our sound system [Re: Henni]
Tonewheeldude Offline
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Hennie, AJ has led us to believe his modifications changes the Audya to a point that it is impossible to support someone in the way we can original instruments. Its not an unwillingness to assist you caused by any friction.

Certainly there are no 'enemies' here as you mention. Granted I have taken issue with AJ over misrepresentation of his relationship with Ketron, but now its out in the open and everyone knows he is not associated with Ketron Italy and operates a private company those issues are largely resolved and we can both enjoy interaction between fellow Ketron enthusiasts.

AJ has been working with Ketron products for many years and has a good understanding which benefits the community when he is able to visit the forum. I respect him greatly for this.

If you choose to purchase AJ's 'upgrade' then you are not making any enemies, either on here or at Ketron Italy - after all you are still a Ketron owner, its just that you will need to contact AJ directly when you have a problem and before using any official Ketron updates which may render your Audya inoperable. AJ has promised to take over support of his customers wherever they are and so when you ask a question you should get a prompt reply.

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#349612 - 08/23/12 11:37 PM Re: Hooked my Audya to our sound system [Re: Henni]
Henni Offline
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 2913
Loc: South Africa
Hi all,

You know, I've given this some serious thought. How do I compare AJ to Ketron? I came up with this answer for my own satisfaction:

1. To me AJ is to Ketron what AMG is to Mercedes.
2. There are many other similar examples in the motor industry.
3. There are even more similar examples in the computer industry.

It's an enhancement by a 3rd party to an otherwise already wonderful product. I'd like to see it in this perspective.

AMG can NEVER take over Mercedes or claim to BE Mercedes, but they can improve on it to the liking of SOME. Therefor not everyone owning an Mercedes wants or cares for an AMG conversion. But those that do, are very well pleased for choosing to do so.

And if one wishes, instead of buying from Mercedes direct and having an AMG conversion installed, one can buy direct from AMG and have the badge on the back to show off.

How I wish we could all come to this simple, but effective agreement...It all boils down to the benefit of the Audya, and the more AJAMSONIC sells, the more Ketron sells as a direct result.

Please note: I do not have an AJAMSONIC converted Audya as yet. All I did was apply a bit of common logic to this hostile situation for all to see & understand. I do not know the history behind this & neither do I care to know.

When I play live with my Audya, none of this matters but what comes out of my speakers...



Keep well all my friends,
Henni
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#349613 - 08/24/12 12:05 AM Re: Hooked my Audya to our sound system [Re: Tonewheeldude]
Henni Offline
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 2913
Loc: South Africa
Originally Posted By: Tonewheeldude
...so when you ask a question you should get a prompt reply.


Sorry Darren, did not see your previous post before posting my previous post.

Fraid that's not the case with AJ for whatever reason (I am always completely honest in everything I post). And it's not purely "sales only" related as suggested by others, for I've not even received an official invoice for his upgrade despite asking for it.

But then the same can be said for the Ketron factory - I've read of many such horror stories and even my friend, who'm I bought my Audya from will testify to same.

Over here you and Frank from Audioworks, amongst others, are trying your utmost best to get rid of that bad Ketron reputation and you certainly did.

The two Hard Drives option will then definitely be my solution as it is not as expensive as another Audya. I believe a ribbon can be had that allows one to connect both. Maybe there's a way to determine which one to boot from...

Thank you for your reply.

Keep well all my friends,
Henni
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#349728 - 08/26/12 10:04 PM Re: Hooked my Audya to our sound system [Re: Henni]
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Registered: 03/21/01
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Loc: Middletown, DE
Friends,

I think Henny and Tonewheeldude combined have explained this well, to the best of their capability.

Ketron (like other companies) sub-contract work to other firms (like ours); we also design and build upgrades (such as the AJAMSONIC series) for keyboard manufactures (sometimes in collaboration with them ofcourse in order to align with their specifications ... etc). However, we all share a cordial and very friendly relationship. We also have the pleasure to work closely with some of the Ketron Engineers both on Ketron and other products and developments ... as permited so it's not a black and white relationship (hope this isn't taken negatively in anyway).

As to our commitment to helping others, I think our feedback (or mine as was the case since I first joined this forum on 21st/03/2001 @ 01:00 PM) should speak for itself. If we/I was willing to offer my help and support to the Ketron products family then, what more of now with our product? Again, I have always found and treated forum members as 'family' members, something I learned from both the Italian and many African cultures ... it's about putting PEOPLE FIRST!

As to using Yamaha samples, no, we didn't do that (it's illigal!!). However based on our library source (which isn't exclusive to AJAM - yet) plus further tuning (and in some cases re-sampling all together so as to maximize memory allocation in AUDYA), it is true that the new AJAMSONIC sound sets are on par with many other top Synth and workstation manufactures (especially with Ver 2.0).

Having said that, I will continue to offer my services and support where needed and welcomed, including those with products purchased anywhere, and to our customers, have no fear!

Thanks,
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#349942 - 08/30/12 12:45 AM Re: Hooked my Audya to our sound system [Re: Henni]
cakemog Offline
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Registered: 08/09/10
Posts: 106
Hi again Henni - I have now downloaded all your styles from psrtutorial and unzipped them into approx. 135 seperate folders (wow what a volume of work you have done!!!!). I have them all on a USB stick - plug that into my T4. I can click on any of the 135 folders but I cannot see or access the styles themselves - any ideas Henni?? SORRY to bother you again!! Carl

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#349943 - 08/30/12 01:13 AM Re: Hooked my Audya to our sound system [Re: cakemog]
Henni Offline
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 2913
Loc: South Africa
Hi my friend,

Make sure that you first select "User Style". Next you select any folder and they should show up.

Keep well,

Henni
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#349960 - 08/30/12 04:39 AM Re: Hooked my Audya to our sound system [Re: cakemog]
Henni Offline
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 2913
Loc: South Africa
Originally Posted By: cakemog
...SORRY to bother you again...


Hi Carl,

Forgot to answer that remark. You can NEVER bother me. As you can see by now, I REALLY like to discuss the things that interest me. And the rest of the guys over here are not overly talkative.

Keep well my friend,

Henni
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#349978 - 08/30/12 08:46 AM Re: Hooked my Audya to our sound system [Re: Henni]
cakemog Offline
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Registered: 08/09/10
Posts: 106
GOT'EM Henni - just a button push or two away. THANKS again, you're most generous with your help & styles - will take me some time to explore all this lot, huge range!! Enough for a life-time here. All the vey best Henni. Carl

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#350014 - 08/30/12 09:31 PM Re: Hooked my Audya to our sound system [Re: cakemog]
Henni Offline
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 2913
Loc: South Africa
Hi Carl,

You're most welcome my friend. Hope you enjoy. I spent many, many nights on those.

All the best,

Henni
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