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#339095 - 02/08/12 08:11 AM Possible Live Styler Workstation on the way
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with possibly a piano and an organ version to follow.

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#339096 - 02/08/12 08:38 AM Re: Possible Live Styler Workstation on the way [Re: abacus]
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Seems like all and everyone have noticed that current generation arrangers is not innovating anymore, they all try and take their chances...

First professional arranger with open system feautures and top quallity sounds and styles takes a big piece of the cake.
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#339129 - 02/08/12 03:43 PM Re: Possible Live Styler Workstation on the way [Re: Bachus]
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Hi,
may need to get some of the bugs ironed out in the software first.
Personally I don't think the style functions in a software arranger are a patch my PA3X.
To me, you could have the most amazing sounds in the world available, but, if the style player isn't up to scratch, what's the point.

At the moment software arrangers can play Ketron & Yamaha style formats. Neither format is as good as the korg.
I'm not talking about ketron or yamaha styles themselves, I like both. I'm talking about the style format.

I've got 3 software arrangers. It's a great inexpensive way to be able to play Yamaha, Ketron & soon on VArranger Roland styles.

If I was paying thousands of dollars for a keyboard, I'd want something a bit more sophisticated than OMB or Livestyler as my onboard style player.
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#339135 - 02/08/12 07:32 PM Re: Possible Live Styler Workstation on the way [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By: Bachus
Seems like all and everyone have noticed that current generation arrangers is not innovating anymore, they all try and take their chances...

First professional arranger with open system feautures and top quallity sounds and styles takes a big piece of the cake.


Wersi has had open instruments out for more than ten years that can do anything you need them to do. If you can't afford an Abacus, Scala, or Louvre, a Pegasus Wing will get you most of the OAS features for less than the cost of a Tyros 4 or PA3X. Those who doubt the capabilities of these instruments should check them out before making uninformed conclusions about them. Music Store is making the product more accessible and more affordable than ever.

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#339136 - 02/08/12 08:08 PM Re: Possible Live Styler Workstation on the way [Re: Ensnareyou]
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Originally Posted By: Ensnareyou
Originally Posted By: Bachus
Seems like all and everyone have noticed that current generation arrangers is not innovating anymore, they all try and take their chances...

First professional arranger with open system feautures and top quallity sounds and styles takes a big piece of the cake.


Wersi has had open instruments out for more than ten years that can do anything you need them to do. If you can't afford an Abacus, Scala, or Louvre, a Pegasus Wing will get you most of the OAS features for less than the cost of a Tyros 4 or PA3X. Those who doubt the capabilities of these instruments should check them out before making uninformed conclusions about them. Music Store is making the product more accessible and more affordable than ever.



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#339137 - 02/08/12 08:15 PM Re: Possible Live Styler Workstation on the way [Re: abacus]
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rikkisbears,

When you mention the 'format' not being that good on both Ketron and Yamaha, please expand on what about the format you are refering to. Just curious .... maybe an example or two will help.

Thanks,

AJ
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#339141 - 02/08/12 10:45 PM Re: Possible Live Styler Workstation on the way [Re: Ensnareyou]
Tony Hughes Offline
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Originally Posted By: Ensnareyou
Originally Posted By: Bachus
Seems like all and everyone have noticed that current generation arrangers is not innovating anymore, they all try and take their chances...

First professional arranger with open system feautures and top quallity sounds and styles takes a big piece of the cake.


Wersi has had open instruments out for more than ten years that can do anything you need them to do. If you can't afford an Abacus, Scala, or Louvre, a Pegasus Wing will get you most of the OAS features for less than the cost of a Tyros 4 or PA3X. Those who doubt the capabilities of these instruments should check them out before making uninformed conclusions about them. Music Store is making the product more accessible and more affordable than ever.


I have been following the flight of the Wing for sometime, wasn't certain if it had crashed and lost at sea somewhere, but now it's in full production, where is it, who's bought one, who's playing one, Robert playing the demo above is about 2 years old and as yet not seen one played anywhere. I don't think it will catch on, not one SZer interested in a Wing, I was once over but I am now taking the right medication.

I take it you have one, if so can we have a rundown and perhaps some demos, it will be a first.


Regards

Tony
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#339142 - 02/09/12 12:58 AM Re: Possible Live Styler Workstation on the way [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Hi AJ,
I was referring to the Ketron & Yamaha format the software arrangers play.
VArranger can play my old SD1+ styles reasonably well midied to an sd2. The style format certainly doesn't have the same possibilitie as the Korg PA3X or even PA800 format with it's guitar mode , the 6 cv's for variations based on a variety of chord types (my understanding has always been my sd1 styles that the cv's had to be recorded as maj, min & 7th chords, unless I got that wrong). The ability to have different time signatures in the various style parts. Being able to have 32 bars for a style part including fills etc . It's a very versatile style format.
Personally I think the software arrangers are good value for money for one's pc, but , if I was going to spend thousands of dollars on a keyboard that used the current available software arrangers, I'd sooner buy an Arranger keyboard be it a Yamaha, ketron , roland or korg.



Originally Posted By: Ketron_AJ
rikkisbears,

When you mention the 'format' not being that good on both Ketron and Yamaha, please expand on what about the format you are refering to. Just curious .... maybe an example or two will help.

Thanks,

AJ
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#339170 - 02/09/12 09:51 AM Re: Possible Live Styler Workstation on the way [Re: abacus]
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Understood now. You're absolutely correct.
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#339193 - 02/09/12 12:43 PM Re: Possible Live Styler Workstation on the way [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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I don't know the Korg style format yet, but I think that Yamaha style format is on some aspects, the most advanced.

Ketron and Roland style format are very similar. They are OK for most of tasks.

I am not sure that, there is some utility to record some styles in Em7#11, etc... like Yamaha do on some styles.

Maybe to make it harder to convert to other keyboards smile
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