http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/324686/Wersi_Latest_news#Post324686

Enjoy

Bill

Shame shame... false advertising.
The two AKAI CD sets they are selling on their website are not World Choirs, and World Voices as they are advertised for sale.

They also changed the graphics of the actual real products.

The real names for these libraries are Symphony of Voices, and Vocal Planet.

They are also completely ripping people off on the price. You can buy the libraries way cheaper everywhere else on the internet.

Shame shame...

James

If this is the spectrasonics software, it can be bought for £349 and lower in the UK and not £549!!!. This is too big a difference. I have emailed the guys at Wersi Direct about this thread so that they can reply as I am sure there is no way they would rip customers off to the tune of £200 for the same product.

Hopefully Robert, Ben or Brett will put a full explanation here.

Hi guys,

in respect to the above - please checkout all information before making incorrect assumptions about the AKAI sample packages...

I think there's been some confusion surrounding the packages, so I have laid out the information below...

The World of Vocals and World of Choirs are £349 and £399 each respectively. It is true that you can buy the sample libraries cheaper from retailers with stock of the AKAI sample libraries on their own for around (£325 Digital Village up to £400 from Best Service for Symphony of Voices and £270-£300, for Vocal Planet from Dolphin Music just as an example), but we buy direct from the distributor, and what OAS owners get with our two packages is as follows:

WORLD OF CHOIRS (For OAS 7)
Spectrasonics Symphony of Voices (classical choirs) CD-Rom set with Spectrasonics packaging and comprehensive English manual for the AKAI sounds.
Special OAS installation / sound loader for AKAI samples.
50 OAS 7 Registrations
50 OAS 7 Expression Performance Registrations
OAS User Guide (A4 printed User Guide to all registrations)

http://www.wersidirect.com/WERSI_Direct_Ltd/AKAI_World_of_Choirs.html


The 2nd package is for the World of Vocals (Jazz choirs etc) (for OAS 7)
Spectrasonics Vocal Planet CD-Rom set with Spectrasonics packaging and comprehensive English manual for the AKAI sounds.
Special OAS installation for AKAI samples - exclusive to WOC / WOV
30 OAS 7 Registrations
20 OAS 7 Expression Performance Registrations
OAS User Guide (A4 printed User Guide to all registrations)

http://www.wersidirect.com/WERSI_Direct_Ltd/AKAI_World_of_Vocals.html


We offer these packages for OAS owners and if they were provided with just the AKAI sounds, which of course they can already buy elsewhere, they probably wouldn't get the best out of them, so as we are now dynamically leading the way with customer service and customers getting the best from OAS, the cost of £399 & £349 is a very good price. Especially considering the development time that went into the registrations and new Expression Performance Registrations. The Expression Performance registrations are the first of their kind, and OAS is the only the instrument line capable of such achievements.

We also have two more AKAI sound library packages in development to be released soon too to support even more sounds for the OAS instrument product line.

For more detailed information, please visit the above hyperlinks to the WERSI Direct website or please email us at info@wersidirect.com

Kind regards,

Robert New
WERSI Direct Ltd

Hi Robert.



Not to make an issue out of this but, what did I say that was incorrect? You have even updated your website since seeing this post to show the correct information and artwork. Now it's clear as to what your selling, where before it was very misleading. Now it's very good actually... !!!



Can you explain exactly what this function is?

Regards
James

Dear James,

The Expression Performance is as follows... WERSI OAS instruments have the ability to set the expression control parameter for each sound selector at between -100 to +100 for the expression pedal. With the Selector controls for Upper 1,2,3 & 4 sounds and Lower, 1,2 & 3 sounds, you can set the variable parameter for expression between any of the fore mentioned variables.

The resulting effect is that using the volume swell pedal, you can interweave sounds.

For example, if you had Upper Selector 1 set to +100 and used a Soprano choir sound, when you use the expression volume control swell pedal, the sound will be controlled in the normal way (when the foot is pulled back, the volume is at it's minimum, while when the volume pedal is 'accelerated' the sound volume will increase to it's maximum when the expression volume pedal is accelerated to it's maximum setting [push full down].

On Selector 2, you may wish to use a tenor choir or male choir. You could set the volume to say -100 as an extreme this then means that the volume / expression works in the opposit way to Selector 1.

To go further, you could set Selector 3 to a boys choir and set the expression to +30, and then the resulting sound will also have it's own expression interweaving among the first two selectors.

For the 4th selector, lets say an Operatic Soprano was selected and was set to -20 for expression... the overal resulting sound gain will interweave with the motions and control of the expression pedal.

The results are incredible... especially for Choir / vocal and orchestral sounds. Add to the expression controls, selector settings for Dynamic curves, Reverbs, Delays, Panning, EQ, Detune, Aftertouch, Dynamic Touch and many more... well the sound is simply fabulous.

It can be a little bit complex to setup and time consuming, this is why we have already done the hard work for our customers.

We are shooting a series of video promos very soon showing such techniques and settings and the abilities of the OAS instrument range... as we feel that all too often customers and potential customers aren't aware of the many varied features of the OpenArt-System.

Best regards,

Robert

WERSI Direct Ltd

Thanks for taking the time to explain that, but......



I assume your only referring to other WERSI keyboards?
This is a very common function found on any modern workstation.

Regards
James

HI James,

this facility isn't on any other 'arranger keyboard' on the market... not Tyros for example. It maybe on some of the pro instruments, but my OASYS can't do this, so maybe other workstations can, but no other 'arranger keyboard' does.

The OAS system is an advanced arranger with work station elements, but primarily it is an arranger system. And, yes it is the first WERSI product line to offer these features.

I’m sorry but that incorrect.

Ribbon, Assignable Sliders, Knobs, Expression…. They are all fully assignable on any KORG and can be mapped to most elements of a PROG sound. KORG also supports the exact same number reversal ability you mentioned if you for example want to control the AMP or a filter.

Your very own OASYS even far exceeds all that with the Vector Joystick. In Prog Mode you can cross fade between layers and assign midi CC values like CC07 or 13 to the Y and X directions and so on.

Jump to COMBI mode and you can then have 16 different PROG sounds assigned, each with it’s own individual Vector setting, and even a master vector layer over that which you turn on and off for each individual track in the COMBI.

Even a Pa1X has a 16 part prog that can be programmed to respond to sliders and external controllers.

Regards
James.

Try DNC...?

Bill does the Pegasus Wing sound close to the video's below because that sounds really good.

I can't find good sounding videos of the Wing on youtube and there are no demos on the website of Wersi.

I have heard that the Wersi Wing sounds great, the problems I see they have selling it is their past record. Also if its on the market for £2500.00 and it beats the hell out of everthing around how can the other justify price x 2. But at £2500 if it's a pile of tosh, it would not break the bank and the grandchildren could always play on it when they come for the weekend. It's sad really the whole thing about Wersi but you can only blame the people who run it. No one goes on SZ about waiting for one because the market share is so low, lets wait and see it might take the World by storm, what do you think.

Hi FransN

I have not heard the Wing so cannot say how the sound compares.

The demos on You Tube are of the early prototype, the production models have the sound and styles set up by Music Store, as it will be competing with all the other arrangers that they sell. (Yamaha, Korg etc.)

I believe demos are currently being produced, so hopefully it will not be too long before they become available.

Best way is to contact your local Wersi Service agent http://www.wersi-promotion.nl/ who will probably have more details.

Regards

Bill

Hi Tony

Those that currently own one, have heard one or have one on order say they are great, however until I actually hear or play one, I cannot make any comments.

Yes, Wersi in the past did not have a good representation for service and marketing. (They were always operating on a shoe string budget) which is why they went under.

Music Store however (Which now owns the brand name) has a wealth of experience with service and marketing so hopefully they will be able to bring back the Wersi name to what it once was. (It’s not going to happen overnight though)

So far since Music Store acquired the Wersi name, I have to say it seems to be getting there, but there is still some way to go.

Why don’t you take up the offer that Peter http://www.wersi.uk.com/ gave you a few months ago, that way you will get 1st hand experience of the Wing.

Regards

Bill

Makes no difference who owns WERSI because they still have all the same problems regarding bringing a realistic product to the market mere mortals can afford.

Take the Pegasus that's adverted at ONLY £2,250.

It still works out more expensive than any Arranger on the market because you have to buy additional software activation codes to access the full Arranger functions and so on that are standard on any other arranger.

Unlocking the arranger and Rhythm designer alone throws another £717 ( $1,183 ) onto the price and they are basic core functions that all arrangers MUST come with. If you want to make your own sounds, that will cost you another £400 ($660) which again is another core basic function all arrangers should come with.

So basic keyboard + Arranger + Rhythm Designer + Ability to make your own sounds...

Total Price.. £3376 ( $5572 ).... so far. There are other items you will likely need to activate.

Regards
James

Hi James

The items you mention only relate to OAS 7 instruments owned by existing users, New OAS 7 instruments get everything but the Rhythm designer as standard.
The Sound factory option allows you access to core features that were previously only available to the manufacturer, and just adds these to the sound editing functions already available on OAS 7 instruments as standard.

The Wing is a different OAS system, so the only options are sound packs; everything else is included as standard in the price.

Hope this clears up the confusion.

Bill

Bill,

I have had a long chat with Peter and when he gets his stock of Wings he his bring one down to see me. I hope they do Ok it does look good, but James has it on his Radar bleeping away, ready to push the destruct button and he is a man of experience, do you think he is talking tosh, tell us if you think he is, he won't mind if he's got it all wrong. Wersi cannot do much worse than MS can they, MS are no prime example of all bright and beautiful , might see more Wings than MS.

The Wing cost 2500 Euro in the Netherlands. I paid 2777 Euro for my new soon coming PA3x 61 so that's not x 2. Probably the only thing that is better on the Wing are the organ sounds. That is also the main thing I like about the videos I added. The organ sounds are fantastic on these instruments. Some people on the Dutch forum have played the Pegasus Wing and they say it doesn't even come close to a Tyros. So I am curious how it sound but not really interested in one.

Hi Tony

James was basing his observations of the old and defunct Wersi Company, and assumed Music Store would follow the same path with them, however it is a completely different setup with Music Store. (Forget Wersi of old (As it doesn’t exist anymore) as it is now just Music Store who bought the brand name Wersi)

NOTE: My previous post shows how the options fall with current instruments

Hope this makes things clearer

Regards

Bill

Wow,

Thats a blow it doesn't even come close to a Tyros, which Tyros 1,2 3 or 4 ???

WERSI? What is that...a big JOKE?

Nedim,

Have you heard on being played yet, I haven't.
Who will be first!

Tony

Cheers Bill.
That's a far more attractive offering then. I take back what I said on the price.

Their website is not really effective on providing clear information.

Regards
James

The person who said that was talking about a Tyros 3. Personally I highly doubt it that a Tyros 3 sound better. I think this is all personal.