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#246568 - 10/29/08 05:49 AM Whether I like it or not...
Bill in Dayton Offline
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Registered: 08/23/04
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Arranger players like myself who use styles exclusively when performing, have a tough nut to crack as we get more and more contemporary requests.

This is super subjective, of course, but I try and do pretty faithful renditions of any tune I play. So, last night when I got a request for some Police tunes (Da do doo, da da da, for example...) There isn't a style I'm aware of that can do a close to the vest rendition of what happens in that song. Can I approximate it...well, parts of it...Same for some Kansas stuff people have asked me for...

Unless styles take a quantum leap in the next few years, I'll be forced to consider using midi files which I have not used yet in the last 13 years.

Thoughts?

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#246569 - 10/29/08 05:50 AM Re: Whether I like it or not...
zuki Offline
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Yes, I don't do requests
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#246570 - 10/29/08 06:19 AM Re: Whether I like it or not...
Dnj Offline
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Bill...
your kind of late.....Laptop/Mp3/SMF

or make your own on a Synth/workstation.

and do you think they care if you just played an Police or Kansas MP3? Times are changing .....All on board the DJ train Whooo Hooo!!

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#246571 - 10/29/08 06:23 AM Re: Whether I like it or not...
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Bill.., this is a problem we've been talking about for some time with arrangers. Their styles although written very well.., are starting to fall behind the times. There's a generation change happening here, and the arranger makers aren't keeping up with that. Even the styles they consider to be "modern versions" are still behind.

The problem I see (or should I say hear) is that these keyboard companies have the wrong types of musicians creating the modern styles. It would appear that this team who does a very good job at creating the more traditional styles are also the same team trying to replicate the more modern styles as well. When that happens you end up with modern styles that aren't quite there.., or Hip Hop styles on a current arranger that sound more like Cheese Hop.
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#246572 - 10/29/08 06:40 AM Re: Whether I like it or not...
zuki Offline
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I don't think the crowd really cares about replicating a cover. If you are close enough, play the correct chords/theory and use your imagination, it'll sell every time. I know most appreciate hearing different arrangements. I personally do not use mp3s and hopefully never will. The arranger sounds its best when used as designed. Who wants to sound exactly like the last act?
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#246573 - 10/29/08 06:43 AM Re: Whether I like it or not...
Dnj Offline
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Zuki....


Try doing a Younger Wedding today 20-25 yrs old with JUST an arranger KB

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#246574 - 10/29/08 06:48 AM Re: Whether I like it or not...
squeak_D Offline
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Exactly Donny! Zuki go into a wedding loaded with 20-30 years olds and see how long a waltz, big band, and ballroom style would last.

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#246575 - 10/29/08 06:53 AM Re: Whether I like it or not...
Dnj Offline
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Squeak......although at that same Wedding there will be older & younger so you have to really MIX it up for today's crowds.....nothing wrong with a little arranger style play mixed with Smf & Mp3's we have all the tools available to us ...why not USE THEM in your arsenal?

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#246576 - 10/29/08 06:55 AM Re: Whether I like it or not...
zuki Offline
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Given the time to work up the proper material (I don't do 20 year old gigs), I could pull it off arranger style only.
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#246577 - 10/29/08 07:00 AM Re: Whether I like it or not...
Dnj Offline
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Still in Denial Zuki ? I would say the 20-45 yr old groups would be the same scenario....arranger KB playing all night at a big affair 300-400pp 4 hrs night after night is not popular in todays world people want to Party!! Mixing it up shows off your talents..
Why the reluctance? its all good ....
its all entertaining..



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