Nice Fran Hey.., I think that sax needs the attack adjusted a bit. That D-Beam would do wonders for the sax solo too...

Very nice song, very nice played. Thank you for sharing, Fran.
Greetings
Peter

Very nice! One of your better recordings, sor sure. I like the subdued style and the sax work is examplary. Would you care to share any recording or playing details? I'm always looking for pointers. Thanks for sharing, Fran.

Excellent Fran WOW what a sound the G70 has!! Its so live !

Thanx

Squeak,.....if you change the attack it will lose the blown characteristic with more velocity. Unless you use two same sax sounds with velocity switching..then you can change the attack on the softer sax.


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Couple of moments in it where it sounds like the sax scooped while a chord change happened...

It is an SMF, ain't it?

If it wasn't an smf Fran you have been under-rated with your playing/best use of arranger ability. Very impressive sounding and one of my favorite tunes. Whether it was an smf or not it's certainly makes the G70 shine!!



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Very nicely played Fran, that sax was excellent...not quite up to the SA Sax on my S900, but very well phrased and quite realistic.

Style or SMF backing?

Ian

Fran - did you sequence the song? You must've, since the piano and sax come in at the same time. Or maybe used some toes

I play that song live on my PA and few have ever heard that tune! It was one of my Dad's favorites.

It's clearly a midifile, and an excellent one at that, because it reproduces almost note for note the original recording in the Getz-Gilberto LP.



There are only three faults:
1- The jazz guitar should be an acoustic guitar
2- the G-70 Alto Sax has too much reverb and the sample doesn't do justice to Stan Getz (but on the other hand no sample in the world could...)
3- the piano track is at times too loud, especially in the left hand (Jobim in this LP played in a much more subdued way, being almost too attentive to never get in the way and merely contenting himself to complement what Joao and Astrud Gilberto were singing or Stan Getz was playing).

Fran, I would GREATLY appreciate if you could point me to the source of this midifile, because I would love to make a bossa nova style with it.

Yamaha, Korg and Roland, please take note: this is the way a bossa nova style should sound.

Way !

Instead of criticism why not post your own versions for comparison....this way we all learn, or is that too much to ask.

Quiet Nights of Quiet Stars
Words & Music by Antonio Carlos Jobim; (English translation by Gene Lees)
Recorded by Tony Bennett, 1963


D9 Fdim
Quiet nights of quiet stars, quiet chords from my guitar

Gm7 F#7 FM7 Dm7 FM7 Gm7 Am7 FM7
Floating on the silence that surrounds us.


Fm7 Em7 A7+
Quiet thoughts and quiet dreams, quiet walks by quiet streams,

D9 Dm7 Fdim
And a window looking on the mountains and the sea -- how lovely!
!


D9 Fdim
This is where I want to be, here, with you so close to me

Gm7 F#7 FM7 Dm7 FM7 Gm7 Am7 Gm7
Until the final flicker of life's ember.

Fm7 Fm Fm6 Em7 Am7 Dm7
I, who was lost and lonely, believing life was only

G7-9 Em7 A7+ Dm7
A bitter, tragic joke have found with you

G9 G7-9 C Bb9 A7+
The meaning of existence, oh, my love.

(Last time)

G9 G7-9 C Bb9 Fdim C(6)
The meaning of existence, oh, my love.

What's funny is how fast it turned into an "it can't be you playing..., it must be an SMF" speculation SMF? Maybe, maybe not.. but how the thread goes is still funny

Andrea..email me..

Fran,
you got mail.

No Squeak whats funny is all the Mr. Know it alls that never post any of their songs !
It's starting to go beyond funny & up to the Laughing Stock level...on top of that after that last Class Act "AMBUSH" scenario this forum has really showed its colors for sure.
Who are we to judge anyone's song postings?



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No, Donny, it's not too much to ask, at least speaking for me, but actually I don't understand your reaction because I liked this song a lot, to the point that compared it with the original recording -hence my criticism- and this is a thing that I seldom do with songs posted here, because in the majority of cases they are miles away from the original.

To my ears is 100% evident that this is not a style, because I know all the bossa nova styles from all the most common arranger keyboards and none of them comes so close to the flavor of an authentic -brazilian- bossa nova. All the styles I know are more or less derived from the bossa novas of the seventies, the kind made popular by Quincy Jones and the likes, and they are way overdone and "noisy" as hell. But listen to the simple perfection of the drum track of this song: just a hi-hat in the beginning and a cymbal ride in the second part, exactly like Milton Banana (the drummer in the original recording) did.
And, since you asked for it, if someone, commenting a song I have posted, would write something like: "Excellent [Andrea] WOW what a sound [your keyboard] has!! Its so live"
I would think that he simply trying to please me because is a friend, but a comment like yours would be totally useless to me, because:
a- would mean that the listener didn't take the time to listen with care
b- wouldn't help me a bit to improve musically.

Andrea to my ears I thought the songs was fine & posted appropiatly friend or not.....I'm not a nit picker ...

I loved it plain & simple & couldnt care less about the inner workings or history of teh original.....change is good.

kind regards

dp

Well, whoever is actually playing the piece did a nice job.

If it's not Fran's SMF, then it might be nice for him to give credit to the maker.

If it is all of Fran playing, and he made the SMF as well as played over the top, I am impressed.

The sax playing is very well done, and even overcomes some of the limitations of the Sax sound.

Ian

Loved your arrangement Fran. The G70 in your talented hands sounds great.

Regards...Bruce

If we are making bets....I bet it's a Tune 1000 midi file. Song #7 of the 72700 group.



Sounds real nice on the G70, for sure.

-mike

Hi Donny because you asked, here's my 2006 Yamaha Tyros2 rendition of 'Corcovado' which I sang & played live (in arranger mode), & simply recorded directly to the Tyros2 keyboard's hard drive: LISTEN HERE

* requires Windows Media (.wma) file compatible media player:

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Scott Yee Entertainment

Scott fantastic....

certainly one of your best performances musically & vocally.....your yamaha sound wonderful no wonder why you are loved by your audiences....Thank you so much for sharing your work. I can see why you dont want to get a Tyros 3. Hope to hear more soon.

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Scott,

Excellent.

I can see why you want to hold on to your T2...you've got it tuned in perfectly.

Nice vocals, very cool guitar and piano solos...definitely a terrific rendition of this tune.

Well balanced arrangement, and a great style...was it a Tyors2 on-board Bossa?

And no SMF! Super stuff, dude!

Ian

Yep. Tyros2 preset style: "PopBossa2"

Again, another storm in a teacup...

No it doesn't MATTER whether Fran played over an SMF or a style...

BUT... if it IS a style, I certainly would like to get it!

And, if it ain't a style, I'd like to know how much of it is Fran, and how much is the SMF. So appropriate kudos can be given... It would not be the first time someone has posted stuff here that turned out to be predominantly the commercial SMF.

Personally, I think Fran did the sax and the piano parts. And quite nicely, especially the sax...

And the guitar gave away the SMF, anyway... I would DIE to have an arranger that played such accurate (and tasteful) guitar voicings based solely on a chord I played!

I figured....very nice...great Bossa...perfect for that tune.

Your voice suits this type of music very well...nice and smooth, not at all "lounge-lizardy"...

The piano solo was restrained yet spoke very well, the guitar was a little to much in the high notes, but perhaps the "guitar player" was ridin' high on the neck as a contrast to the "piano player's" focus in the mid-range...ah, in any case, it was well put together.

Very "live" sounding yet still has that great Yamaha polished sheen to it.

Ian

Probably don't matter much I guess if it's style or SMF, but if it is the latter, then the composer of it chose the chords for Fran rather than him voicing them for himself.

I'm sure if it is a commercial file, then someone has it and will recognize it.

The sax playing is very good, and nearly sounds convincing, not quite SA voice level, but pretty darn good.

Ian

Ian please post some convincing SA sax demos for us to comapare to the G70 which to me sounded like a real player for sure.

Thanks

I for one would LOVE to hear the new T3 guitar mode, doing this kind of stuff... Lots of changes, and very complex jazz chords with decent voice leading.

If it can pull it off to this degree of realism, it's a definite step forward. I'm not sure how many here realize just how inaccurate most arranger's guitar chords are. Korg have made progress, now Yamaha, but until I hear it on material that truly taxes it, rather than simple stuff, you never really know.

How many of us have played recently with a world class guitarist? Refreshing your ears with the real thing can make you less than overwhelmed by most arranger patterns...

In the meantime, you want this degree of accuracy? I'm afraid an SMF (probably made on a MIDI guitar) is about as close as you are going to get. But, don't forget those Mark/Jump buttons... want to rearrange the song during play, even if it IS an SMF? No problem. Want to do a key change on the last time through? No problem. Want to revoice it to more electronic textures with one push of a button? No problem. Want to change the jazz guitar to an acoustic for a verse (and change back for the last)? No problem.

SMF's, unless you are terminally lazy, are NOT the set in stone things they used to be

The title of this tread is: Just recorded on the G70

Maybe there is a difference between "recorded" and played?

Happy Playing
GJ


Btw, Frans recording is quite similiar to the Tune1000 file mentione above.



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Excellent Fran, WOW what a sound the G70 has!! Its sounds so live !
Thanx

So... are you going to buy one... again?
Or are you just going to settle one more time with the polished, compressed sound of a Yamaha? Maybe you plan to add some Burt Bacharach tunes to your repertoire?

Oh Dr. Andrea yes all of that.......you just can't argue with success just ask Ian

You have reached the pinnacle of success as soon as you become uninterested in money, compliments, or publicity.

How ya doin' so far, Sunshine?

Ian

Oh Ian I'm eating crow for breakfast today with a sprinkling of S900

They sure are more flexible, I imagine, but lets say you want to change a pesky Am7 to a F#m7b5...just because you feel it sounds better.

You could punch in and record all the parts, but how many will be able to do that, or how many will bother?

I still love the control of being able to choose my own chords, or my own style/arrangement of a tune seconds before I play it, or even change a style half way through a piece...

SMF are probably perfect for many people, but not everyone needs, or wants, to use them.

Ian

Ian why do you think Yamaha has invested alot of R&D money & hours to include a SMF sequencer on many of their models?

I've eaten that dish a few times myself, Donny, many people will take pleasure with the experience of watching you eat crow.

Smart aleck words, smiley faces--they will pull out every trick in the book to make you feel as small as the period at the end of this sentence.

When you eat crow it is up to you how it goes down. I find a bit of laughter helps grease the palate...wash it down with a few chuckles, and then get on with enjoying your talents.

Ian

I use mine for recording, as many people will...that's why it's laid out much like a the old tape recorders.

Some use them for Karaoke, some use them for practice, and some use them when they gig to sing and/or play over a SMF, either one they've created themselves, or a commercial one.

Nothing wrong with playing over a SMF...lots of people do it...I just choose not to...styles are more flexible for me.

As you always say, Donny...it depends on your needs.

Ian

Ian......
good advice well taken....believe me I know what Im doing & I know what works & sounds right for me when I'm gigging. The E60 is a quality arranger with many very nice features just not in the cards for my needs at this time. Even with Yamaha's S900 navigational deficiencies, I make it work for me & my needs all the good outweighs the bad.

Here is the SMF by Tune1000 http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=c80ea3b3fdf7ab58ab1eab3e9fa335ca4ac7fd54e6bca260

[Soapbox mode on]

Speaking of practice, midifiles like this one -laid down with such a craft and talent- are excellent learning tools, because the musicians who recorded them spent hours listening to the original song, so for example the piano track plays exactly the same notes played by Jobim. And, since every sequencer today has the option of displaying the notes of each track, with a click of your mouse you have a faithful transcription of the original song.

They make also an excellent starting point to create a style, so I would say that they are really a great investment.

[Soapbox mode off]

Hmmmmm, and to make a copyrighted file public, is that any good idea?

GJ

The song sounds great ...
The only reason for me to know if it is a midi file or a style is so that I can determine if I can make it sound like that in a 'live' situation ...
t.
PS I am NOT EVEN SUGGESTING that Fran acted in this way, but any musician who posts a recording by someone other than him/her self, and tries to make others think it is him/her playing is like a golfer who cheats on the score card ... they are only fooling themselves ... What's the point?
t.

Well, as it has already been said...the title of the post is "Just recorded on the G70".

How much of it is Fran?

Did he "record" this tune, or was it a SMF just "played back' on the G70 after re-voicing?

Mmmmmm.....

Should the title have read..."Commercial SMF edited and played back on the G70"?

The file sounds great on my S900, especially when re-voiced with the SA Flamenco Guitar and the SA Sax.

It is well done SMF for sure.

Ian

Do you mean you always want that F#m7b5, or just for giggles and grins, now and again?

Because, if it was an occasional thing, a well placed F# would get the job done. If it was a permanent reharmonization, it's a snap on the Roland's to edit the track...

No-one's saying anyone HAS to use either method. They both have mutually exclusive advantages, though. Yes, reharmonization, if you have the skill, is easier done on the arranger side. Playing a two handed part (for instance, nailing the sax's scoops and inflections) is easier done on the SMF side.

It all depends on what you consider the most important aspect of the track. For me, on this particular tune, it would be all about nailing Getz's phrasing and bending. Most sax parts strike me that way. I never heard a sax player yet who didn't scoop, dive and moan his way around a part (even when they weren't trying!), and a large number of his best pitch tricks happen EXACTLY at chord boundaries....

I keep trying to point out the Chord Sequencer was the PERFECT meld of arranger play and SMF play advantages. You could reharmonize to your hearts content, every night a different set of changes, had you the skill, but after doing that, you could then play a tasty two hand solo without being tied up repeating the changes.

But of course, along with so many other great features off so many great arrangers that few bothered to figure out, it got dropped...

Actually I change the chords around a lot, usually in the last verse, and sometimes even in the second chorus, and I find it works best for the standards.

It is nice to have the choice depending on my mood, and arranger mode works best for me.

I have my own way of getting around the lack of (or demise of) the chord sequencer and still keep myself in my preferred arranger mode...I use a pedal for pitch bending...not for everyone I suppose, but neither are SMF.

Some people get proficient at using SMF, using markers etc for getting the most out of a performance...I chose developing my skills in arranger mode and getting adept with using the pedal and also creating/assembling my own unique styles so I don't sound like the next guy with a PSR-S900 or Tyros...it's just my way.

I've even made a style that allows you to play with no fixed tempo...best for slow orchestral pieces, but again, it gives me more scope whilst using my favoured arranger mode.

It doesn't make it any more "right" than using SMF but is right for me, and that's who I have to please.

BTW, I listened to your Joe Zawinul 'A Remark You Made' again...he was a favorite of mine too and truly one of his best ballads...very nicely done, I must say...you are a fine player.

Ian

No doubt...Diki can play!


Russ

Well, I got a hold of the file (yes, it's the Tune1000 one), and sadly, I was wrong.

It is entirely the Tune1000 file, with edits to the headers.

Fran, we need to talk... It took me five minutes to edit this into something WAY better than that audio version. Just getting the piano part quieter and in the mix should be a piece of cake with the Makeup Tools (did you change to GrandX on it?). Same thing for the sax... the notes that jump out are easily fixed by dropping some velocity from the track.

But, primarily, I think that it is in your own interest if you want any credibility here, to be upfront about what is your playing and what is the track. OK, you may have assumed from the post title that we would get it... but when it became obvious, right at the start, that many of us WERE assuming that at least SOME of it was you playing, you really needed to step in at that point and clear things up.

You weren't wrong to post it, but you could have been clearer about what it was. JMO...

The midfile from tune 1000 contains two important errors:
1-Wrong notes on first sax solo.
2-Lack of entire original Tom Jobin's intro.

Chico

This is kind of sad.


R.

Sad indeed.

chas

What's the next step downwards from karaoke (where at least the performer plays or sings SOMETHING? )....

Yep.... a jukebox.