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#214392 - 06/06/06 06:45 AM My journey to a Tyros 2
RobertG Offline
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Registered: 05/08/06
Posts: 464
Loc: Southeastern PA, USA
I thought this might be instructional for those looking to buy a new arranger keyboard such as the Tyros 2. For others, you may be able to relate to my plight, or be amused by it.

First some background. I am pianist, trained in classical and jazz music. In college I was a Jazz Performance major. Actually, I started as a Music Education major, decided I didn’t want to teach, switched to Jazz Performance, and then decided that a degree in music would qualify me to wait on tables just about anywhere, and then switched to Marketing in the School of Business. I have professionally played solo piano and in various jazz bands on-and-off again for the past 25 years. For a real living I run a software company. My first keyboard was a Casio Arranger (if you could call it that 25 years ago), followed by a Rhodes 73, a Yamaha DX7-II D-FD with eboard, and a Roland FP-5. I also have a 6’ Young Chang G-185 Grand Piano. In the mid-80s I worked in a music store selling band instruments, keyboards, sound reinforcement, guitars, etc.. I have a wife and two kids (more about them shortly)

After 2 years with my FP-5, which I like a lot, I felt it was time to move on to a cool and groovy arranger keyboard. So I started the traumatic experience of making the right decision. I quickly honed in on the choices of Tyros 2, G-70, or PA1x. How do I make the right decision? Can I really live with 60 keys? Do I have to get another heavy keyboard (FP-5 is 88 keys and weighs 49 lbs)? Which one has the best sound and styles for how I play? Is now the time to buy or are new models about to come out that will do twice as much for half the price? These are the questions you see time and time again on this forum. I had them all. So, I researched and researched, and researched some more. I read every review and opinion I could find, downloaded manuals, stalked every forum I could find (synthzone, svpworld, yamahapkowner, …), visited every manufactuer’s web site about 3 million times. Listened to every sample and watched every video (I think I can now speak german thanks to the videos on piens.com). I live near Philadelphia, PA. Finding a retailer that actually had these keyboards on the floor was very difficult. I spent a lot of time in the UK a few years ago. I was thinking of returning to Hounslow or Poole just to be in a country where the keyboards were on display.

Synthzone was a very helpful resource. Just like that Mac vs. PC war I chuckled at the Tyros vs. G70 crowd and enjoyed the pontifications of those claiming the E80 the best or worst keyboard of all time, months before being available. Scott Yee, DNJ, Craig_UK and Fran Carango are all now celebrities to me.

My obsession well engaged, I came to a conclusion. The superarticulation sounds on the Tyros 2 were just too cool to pass up. Now for the next problem. What kind of speakers? TRS-MS02 with or without Bose 161, Logitech Z5500, or Mackie 450s. Again opinions abound on Synthzone ranging from the TRS-MS02 suck to “you really have to listen to them all to make up your mind” so buy all of them so you can A/B them.

All very traumatic indeed. Now for the hard part.

How do I convince my wife it’s a good ideal to buy a new keyboard that costs over $3,000 with all the related accoutrements? My reasoning included:

- It will help the kids become musicians
- It will help one of our children sing on pitch
- It’s educational
- It will allow me to explore new music
- I’ll sell everything else I own on eBay (kidney, if need be) except for the Young Chang
- I’ll never buy anything expensive again
- You can play it too, dear

Eventually, after a few weeks, I was able to wear her down.

So last week the boxes began to arrive
- Tyros 2
- Tyros 2 Bag
- TRS-MS02
- Logitech z5500
- New microphone
- New cables for microphone
- Adaptors for mic to PA system when hooking into another PA system
- New mic stands for mic and Logitech speakers
- Harddrive

After the first two or three shipments arrived I was told “This is why I hate when you buy these things, you get so much other stuff with it. If I see one more ^%$#%^% box show up at our door you can’t buy anything else for the next three years”. Yes dear, I understand. Response: “Don’t give me that, you got what you wanted”. Yes dear, I understand.

So now I have my Tyros 2. It’s really, really cool. Still wish it had 76 keys. I am thinking about adding the cheap ($199) m-audio 88 key controller. Haven’t figured out how to do that and stay married. The Logitech z5500 won out. The TRS-MS02 sounded better a lower volumes but I found the 500w Logitech more versatile. I even played a job with the Tyros on Sunday. “See dear, it will pay for itself in no time”.

It’s got more buttons then the space shuttle, but it sounds cools. The one kid still can’t sing on pitch. I guess I just haven’t got to that part of the manual.

I have started to sell stuff on eBay, my telescope was first to go. Hope I can keep my kidney, I kind of like it.

[This message has been edited by RobertG (edited 06-06-2006).]

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#214393 - 06/06/06 06:58 AM Re: My journey to a Tyros 2
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 15251
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
Great story, probably typical of a lot of us.
I've been truly lucky as I was a full-time entertainer when I met my wife and she understands that I am an equipment junkie.
She just shakes her head and smiles when another box arrives!
Well sometimes she smiles.
Sometimes she shakes MY head.
DonM
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#214394 - 06/06/06 07:33 AM Re: My journey to a Tyros 2
cgiles Offline
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 5367
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
My secret. Never tell them what it REALLY costs. My wife thinks every piece of equipment I own cost $200.00 or less. The larger, more elaborate stuff (like say, the Tyros 2), $300.00. You'd be suprised how naive most wives are unless you married one of the smart, sneaky ones. If you did that or if you insist on telling the truth (a risky thing to do in the most marriages), then it's your own fault. Your mileage may vary using my technique.

Peace,

chas
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"Faith means not wanting to know what is true." [Nietzsche]

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#214395 - 06/06/06 07:43 AM Re: My journey to a Tyros 2
RobertG Offline
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Registered: 05/08/06
Posts: 464
Loc: Southeastern PA, USA
Quote:
Originally posted by cgiles:
My secret. Never tell them what it REALLY costs. My wife thinks every piece of equipment I own cost $200.00 or less. The larger, more elaborate stuff (like say, the Tyros 2), $300.00. You'd be suprised how naive most wives are unless you married one of the smart, sneaky ones. If you did that or if you insist on telling the truth (a risky thing to do in the most marriages), then it's your own fault. Your mileage may vary using my technique.

Peace,

chas


Chas: Sadly, I married one of the smart sneaky ones. My memory is not good enough to remember which lie I may have used so I have to resort to always telling the truth.

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#214396 - 06/06/06 08:20 AM Re: My journey to a Tyros 2
Scottyee Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
Hi Robert,

Welcome both to Synthzone & to the exciting world of Tyros2. Thanks for sharing with us your interesting musical journey (so far). In spite of your apparent music talent, you were perhaps wise to have switched your major to Business, as supporting a family can prove particularly challenging for a musician. Coming from a similar music background as yourself (classically trained: 4-13, then a jazz music major in college), I'm curious how you're gonna approach arranger playing, of which obviously requires an entirely playing approach than traditional keyboards. I assume you've read my postings about the Bill Evans style jazz (rootless) piano chord voicings (aka: A/B voicings) recognized by Tyros2, right? Interestingly enough, these are absently missing and not included in the Chord Table Recognition section of the Tyros2 user manual.

I'm first to admit that whatever classical & jazz pianistic skills I acquired years ago, have now gone up in smoke, especially since I now utilize the Tyros2 arranger for most all gigs now. I hope you'll heed my advice and remember that no matter how much fun you have playing (and keeping your audiences entertained = $ bucks) with your Tyros2, don't forget to keep your piano chops in shape as well. I suppose this serves as a reminder to me to 'wipe the dust off' the keys of my Steinway and brush up on the scales & chord progression exercises.

Ok Robert, really looking forward to your continued input on this forum & gaining your perspective on music & arrangers, especially with your extensive classical & jazz piano experience & education.

Scott
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#214397 - 06/06/06 08:24 AM Re: My journey to a Tyros 2
Stephenm52 Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 4327
Loc: USA
Robert:

Congratulations on the T2. I share your plight in trying to convince my wife on buying the next toy. I also have an obsession for the lastest in computers and anything techie

Since I now work with both computers in my day job and part time with music I always sell her that this new toy will make me more money. In reality not always the case, but sounds good on paper!!

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#214398 - 06/06/06 08:31 AM Re: My journey to a Tyros 2
Starkeeper Offline
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Registered: 09/16/02
Posts: 1704
Loc: Toronto
I go home on the weekend to my wife and Roland EM20 and softsynth. During the week I play on a Yamaha PSR550, which my wife does NOT know about. She will eventually find out. I was thinking I would tell her I bought it many years ago (that's true). "Oh, didn't I tell you?"
But saying I paid $200.00, used, is a great lie. Thanks.
A while back she visited my room, so I hid the keyboard under the bed. She wanted to bring home the keyboard stand. Oh, no, I need that to hang up my clothes. Haha.
Oh what a tangled web we weave.
Starkeeper
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I play Roland EM20 and Yamaha PSR550

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#214399 - 06/06/06 08:49 AM Re: My journey to a Tyros 2
Scottyee Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
Quote:
Originally posted by Starkeeper:
I go home on the weekend to my wife and Roland EM20 and softsynth. During the week I play on a Yamaha PSR550, which my wife does NOT know about. She will eventually find out. I was thinking I would tell her I bought it many years ago (that's true). "Oh, didn't I tell you?"
But saying I paid $200.00, used, is a great lie


OMG! The plight of married life. - Scott
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#214400 - 06/06/06 09:09 AM Re: My journey to a Tyros 2
Mainer Offline
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Registered: 10/16/02
Posts: 414
Loc: Saco, Me
Wonderful story! I justify the cost figuring it's good therapy for whatever ails you. Cheaper then pills, doctors or the hospital. I can never lie to my Gal she remembers everything, especially all my goof up's. Good luck with your new toys.

Jerry

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#214401 - 06/06/06 09:32 AM Re: My journey to a Tyros 2
spalding Offline
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Registered: 09/29/04
Posts: 582
Loc: Birmingham
"I can never lie to my Gal she remembers everything, especially all my goof up's."


yeah that can be really quite annoying !!

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