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#202110 - 01/02/04 10:05 AM
Yamaha PSR3000 / PSR1500 Questions
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Registered: 12/01/99
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PSR3000/PSR1500 QUESTIONS of which I'm hoping George Kaye, Steve Deming, or anyone else here might be able to provide answers to: 1) How much will these keyboards weigh? More, less, or about the same as the PSR2100? 2) How many onboard foot pedal jacks will these keyboards include? I'm hoping three (like on the Tyros), because I need to assign the first to sustain, second to vocalizer on/off, and third to 'self fill'. I only hope that 'self fill' activation via foot pedal can be continously repeating as well. 3) USB Support: Does this include USB 2.0? Assuming that the PSR3000/PSR1500 will include USB connectivity, will you be able to utilize the Yamaha 'Voice Editing' software program to edit onboard sounds (voices), perform flash ROM OS updates, as well as backup & transfer files back and forth between the PSR3000/PSR1500 & your PC? 4) Smart Media Card: Can the PSR3000/PSR1500 'Music Finder' access styles stored in the Smart Media Card? Can Registration Bank files (stored either in user memory or in the Smart Media Card) access & load associated files (styles, voice, multipad) located on the Smart Media Card? Thanks in advance to all for any information. Scott
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#202115 - 01/02/04 01:16 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR3000 / PSR1500 Questions
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Registered: 11/10/00
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I was going to ask some things too, but Donny asked everything ( and more ) that makes a difference to me. Question 3 is a must for me. Everything stops right there if the key feel isn't better, and it doesn't have good speakers and weight. Questions 2, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 are also very important to me, and I'd consider 4 ( ability to alter internal styles ) a huge bonus, but am not expecting it.
Otherwise, I have to decide whether to get a Tyros , a PA1x, or go in a different direction altogether. I like what I hear from the PA1x demo wise, but then again a lot of it does sound similar to the PA80, which I already have and like very much, so the PA1x isn't high on the list right now. Most of our live work consists of rock and blues, and overall I prefer the Korg stuff here, but I do miss a few of the Yamaha styles and sounds.
Other than that, I guess I'd like to give the SD1 a good workout.
AJ
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#202118 - 01/02/04 03:34 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR3000 / PSR1500 Questions
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Donny, here are a few of my observations and possible answers to some of your questions: Originally posted by Dnj: will the psr3k have a transpose button with a "ONE STEP move -/+ instead of TWO steps like now in the 2k? Donny, if I read you correctly, I assume you're talking about (on the PSR2000) having to hit the -/+ button 'twice' initially, to transpose just one 1/2 step, right? I believe this was merely a PSR2000 specific bug, because on the Tyros, you only need to press the transpose button once. I'd presume that the PSR3000/PSR1500 should work the same as the Tyros in this regard. Originally posted by Dnj:
how much storage is on the smart card? will you need a special card reader on your P/C? Smart Media cards currently come in: 32, 64, and 128mb storage capacities.To read the card from your PC you'll need a smart media card reader. I myself have a 'Dazzle 6-in 1 reader' which can read several memory card formats including: smart media, compact flash, and memory stick. Originally posted by Dnj:
keyfeel?, weight?, new speakers? I suspect any weight differences between the PSR2000 & 3000 will be directly related to whatever (if any) PSR3000 improved key build (solid) and key feel, and improved sound (speakers larger & heavier (bigger magnet). I too am anxious to find out the details. Originally posted by Dnj:
will you be able to edit/replace/etc all factory styles like on a PA80? Unless Yamaha has suddenly decided to take a radical departure, I really doubt this is going to happen, especially on their budget line PSR3000 or PSR1500 models. Originally posted by Dnj:
is there a seperate MIC Volume control like on the 9k/tyros...or is it on the back like the 2k? Looking at the supplied pictures, and seeing there is NO MIC volume control on top, I assume that the PSR3000/PSR1500 sports the same Mic trim only on the back of the unit, the same as the PSR2000 has. Considering the fact that I just recently (last week) sold my PSR2000, I'm now more than ever excited about the prospect of purchasing a PSR3000 as a secondary portable arranger with built in speakers to my Tyros, especially because I'm hoping that Tyros & PSR3000 styles will be freely interchangeable, though I predict that the PSR3000 & PSR1500 won't hit the US shores till at least the end of the year (Nov/Dec 2004. In the meantime, I'm hoping someone can provide answers to Donny's other questions, and well as the original ones I posed at the TOP of this topic thread. Scott
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#202119 - 01/02/04 03:41 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR3000 / PSR1500 Questions
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Registered: 11/10/00
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Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
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Originally posted by Uncle Dave: I doubt that this entry level will include a sampler, and for my specs .... I won't miss it. I leave the sampling to the big boys. Just give me the basics and let me make the music come alive. I agree. I sample now and then, but I have dedicated equipment for it, and occasionally, I add some samples to the Motif ES soundset as well. I have my doubts that many arranger players would use a sampling feature if offered or would appreciate the added cost of having it as a feature on a PSR. I just want something that plays well in a live situation and feels like something when I play it. At one time I did think it would be a good feature to have on an arranger, but that has changed. I really have no need for a sampler on my arranger, and have never really used the function on the PA80. If anything, I'd rather have expansion slots, ala the 9000 pro, but even that isn't a really important feature for me. I don't use arrangers all that much for composing any more, except that I do use the PA80 for it's soundset at times. I've really tried to move away from anything that's completely loop based, except for some synth parts that work well that way. Today, I look at any future arranger purchase probably in a similar way to most of the others who will use one in a live situation. AJ
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#202120 - 01/03/04 07:15 AM
Re: Yamaha PSR3000 / PSR1500 Questions
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Registered: 10/27/03
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Originally posted by Dnj: 1-will the psr3k have a transpose button with a "ONE STEP move -/+ instead of TWO steps like now in the 2k? looks like the same in the pic....same question for TEMPO?
Similar question about the Octave Switch buttons. The Motif ES got it right by the fact that when you press the octave switch + or - there's a little light on the button itself that comes on. If your at +1 Octave the 'right' button comes on and if your at -1, etc. the 'left' button comes on. When your at normal Octave the light goes out. The Motif ES also has a "2" Octave range + or - up/down plus when you press the Octave buttons there is no 'silly' little screen that comes up in the Display telling you your at + or - an Octave like there is on the Tyros and PSR 2000/2100 etc. On the Tyros/PSR 2000/2100, etc., the screen is there "bugging" you constantly until you press the Exit or Enter or some other button. IF you do that when your playing it can disrupt your concentration and rhythm and consequently your chops by hitting clams unexpectedly. Until Yamaha decides to go the Motif ES route for its new Arrangers regarding the Octave buttons, etc., that 'silly' little screen will probably stay by Yamaha because if your into sub-menus and away from the Main Screen that silly little screen is the ONLY way to tell if your "+" or "-" an Octave. Another beef I have is when your in the Mixing Console and you want to know the Song 'position', ie., Measure/Bar point the screen that pops up hides the Voice/Instrument on Track 4 and 5 and consequently Track 12 and 13. These problems are long-standing and Yamaha should make an effort to correct them IMO. Best regards, Mike [This message has been edited by keybplayer (edited 01-03-2004).]
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#202123 - 01/03/04 08:36 AM
Re: Yamaha PSR3000 / PSR1500 Questions
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Registered: 11/10/00
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I really want off of the merry go round for now. I find that I get caught up in lusting for the next best thing, and sometimes, in the case of the Motif ES, for me it's worthwhile, but at other times not.
If and when Yamaha or anyuone else gives me something that I really like to play live, and it is a big improvement ( for me ) then I'll bite, but if not, I'll just use the ol' clunker for the occasioanl live work I do ( PA80 ), and if I get serious enough that I am going to play out a lot, a sufficient backup for it ( maybe even a PA60.. or if it's really good, a speaker PA1x when it comes out ).
If Yamaha is really trying to make a new model with the 3000, then I want to see a marked step up in some of the features that Donny and a few others mentioned before I'm tempted to bite again. Instead, based on recent hsitory, I tend to suspect that it works as Donny describes, with minor steps and improvements that are merely designed to grab another 1200- 1500 dollars or so from those of us who play arrangers.
AJ
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#202129 - 01/05/04 11:50 AM
Re: Yamaha PSR3000 / PSR1500 Questions
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Registered: 10/24/02
Posts: 238
Loc: Buena Park, CA, USA
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Happy New Year guys,
Unlike you, I can not speculate(guess)about what might be on the PSR1500/3000. There are certain things I would assume, but I won't share those with you at this time. I've seen the same pictures that you guys have, and I have the same specs that George and Dan have. I have not seen the prototypes yet. Here's what I know:
PSR3000 320x240 color LCD - Mega-Voice Technology - Vocal Harmony and Video Out - Connects directly to the internet (Broadband 10 base-T) using optional USB to ethernet adapter - USB "To Device": connect to storage devices like HDD and Thumb drives - USB MIDI: 32 channel playback from PC - Smart Media Slot - 128 notes of Polyphony - Organ Flute Voices using Modeling technology - 3 intros, 3 endings with dedicated buttons - 4 Variations and 4 Fills per Style - Pitch bend and Mod Wheel = 892 voices - Flash ROM user memory for storing data (2 Mb)- Music Finder - Multi Pads - 240 Styles + User - 16 Track Sequencer - Direct Access Button - 960 "One Touch" settings - Help Wizard in six languages - Saparate L/R audio output jacks - Foot Switch and Foot Volume jacks - Headphone jack - 2-way Stereo speaker system (12 Watts/ch) - PA300 power adapter included)
PSR1500 320x240 LCD - Connects directly to the internet (Broadband 10 base-T) using optional USB to ethernet adapter - USB "To Device": connect to storage devices like HDD and Thumb drives - USB MIDI: 32 channel playback from PC - Smart Media Slot - 96 notes of Polyphony - Organ Flute Voices using Modeling technology - 3 intros, 3 endings with dedicated buttons - 4 Variations and 4 Fills per Style - Pitch bend and Mod Wheel = 793 voices - Flash ROM user memory for storing data (2 Mb)- Music Finder - Multi Pads - 210 Styles + User - 16 Track Sequencer - Direct Access Button - 840 "One Touch" settings - Help Wizard in six languages - Separate L/R audio output jacks - Foot Switch and Foot Volume jacks - Headphone jack - 2-way Stereo speaker system (12 Watts/ch) - PA300 power adapter included)
I know that only addresses a portion of what you asked, but I will let you know more when I know more.
Regards,
------------------ Steve Deming Assistant Manager Customer Support Dept. Pro Audio & Combo Division Yamaha Corporation of America YCASupport@yamaha.com 714.522.9000
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#202131 - 01/05/04 01:10 PM
Re: Yamaha PSR3000 / PSR1500 Questions
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Registered: 10/08/00
Posts: 4715
Loc: West Virginia
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Wow nice specs. Geez it seems that the PSR-1500 is damn close to the PSR-2000 minus the harmonizer. There seems to be a pretty huge jump between the models now. A lot of major features have been added.. Especially 96 note poly to the lower model, organ flutes, smart media, internet connection. Man all that is one hell of a leap from the PSR-1100 to the 1500......
Squeak
[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 01-05-2004).]
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#202139 - 01/06/04 10:01 AM
Re: Yamaha PSR3000 / PSR1500 Questions
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
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Originally posted by Bluezplayer: Yamaha doesn't market the PSR's toward professionals who make a living at playing music, and that we are a scant few in their overall marketing scheme. Perhaps the majority of the users, in their mindset, are the home players looking to have something that's a step up from the WK series and low end PSR boards. AJ. I concur with your thoughts. I mean just 'how many' keyboard performers have any of you seen on TV, or live in concert on stage (other than us here, of course ) who are actually using a Yamaha PSR2000/2100 in their act. In fact, how many 'arranger keyboards' in general has anyone here seen used when attending a paid stage concert (either solo or group) show? We professsional arranger keyboard performers here are definitely a rare breed here. Home amateur hobbyists have been the arranger keyboard's primary marketing audience for years. It's only in the last few years that arranger manufacterers have finally begun to respond to the needs of the professional keyboard player. I predict that arrangers will be seen more often on stage in the years to come, and even become respected by fellow so called legit keyboard players as well. Times change, and people's taste do as well. I think it's important that we all continue to 'push' for arranger features required of the professional working keyboard player. - Scott
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