Last night I played a gig with another arranger player with 2 guitarist 3 vocailist and a sax player.

Well I noticed that the Tyros had the better of the solo type instrument especially the concert guitartist sound., and brass trumpet .

But overall the SD1 had more of a deeper sounding drum kit and bass guitar sound, and not just an eq but more of a fuller rounder sound, also the styles were of a better mix concering internal.

So to make a long story short, I'm selling the Tyros 2 for a SD5 ur SD1 plus

frankieve,

You've got mail - considering a trade with a SD1Plus EXP.

Thanks,

AJ

I would have told you that...if you had asked

Hi Fran,
were you actually an sd owner??
I have to agree, the drums on the SD1+ are brilliant. Luv the fact that you can incorporate a drum audio loop into a style via drum 2.

best wishes
Rikki


[This message has been edited by rikkisbears (edited 10-22-2006).]

Come on guys, we all know we think the grass is greener till we get to the other side...

Don't get me wrong, the T2 does have some amazing sounds that I don't think will ever come out of a Ketron, but you can have all the best and perfect ingrediants, but how prepared meal tastes is what counts.

Plus midi file playback, the nice thick sounding strings,

although the higher fidelty of the Tyros will be missed, the thin sound won't be.


so do I wait for the SD5 or go SD1. Or wait for the big replacement due out at the next artic age?

Fran, I forgot, what are you playing?

SD1?

Have you compared them also, I just want to make sure I wasn't making a wrong move,

what do you think?

Rikki I had an SD1 for a short period of time..

Frankie, I still play a G1000.

Yes I compared them but not side by side..
I always felt the same as your opinion..

The Tyros does not match up in the sound dept..

Sure the Tyros does have exceptional sounds, but only a few in my mind..

I would rather have a Ketron over a Yamaha in the sound area..

Hi Frank

Don't you have the Midjay anymore? That is supposed to sound even a little better than the SD1 as I had seen it discussed, or at least the same. Why not use the best of both worlds?

Hi Frank,
sorry, I wasn't knocking the T2. I actually haven't heard one. I've only got the PSR1500 not T2. (But I do luv the sd1+ drums.)

Maybe if you download the manual on the sd5 & sd1+ you could find out the differences, just in case the sd5 doesn't have some functions that the sd1 + does have that you may require ( or vice versa).
More importantly that the Ketron's do all the stuff that you may have gotten used to (in the T2.)

I read the midjay & sd1+ manuals before I eventually decided on the sd1 +. Glad I did,as the Midjay lacked some functions that I personally would have missed.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by frankieve:
[B]Come on guys, we all know we think the grass is greener till we get to the other side...



[This message has been edited by rikkisbears (edited 10-22-2006).]

rikkisbears, I didn't think you where knocking it at all,

Yes Scott I do still have the Midjay, and that's also one of the reasons I notice such a difference in the 2 machines, I could play a midi file on the miDJay and it sounds great, sure the guitars are a tad bit dated sounding, but overall a great full sound, then I'll play the same midi file on the T2( revoiced using some great software that was I got from this forum ) and it sounds thin and very empty.

Not saying the T2 is bad, some of the styles and mixes are incrdible, the acoustic guitars are amazing, not so good in a style strumming but as a solo instrument beautiful.

Playing with just the T2 I'm very happy, but when I got spanked at the last gig from that Ketron I thought it was time to go where my heart ( and nationality ) are.

ive listened to the sd1 demos last year... Its sounds very good..even a bit above the awesome korg pa1x.. But i preferred the Tyros 1 sounds and styles to the SD1.. And i feel the Tyros 2 sounds much better than Tyros... So for me nothing (yet) is even in the same league as tyros2. I love the thin sounds.. the styles kick butt.. The guitars,sax,strings,brass, flutes,trumpets,accordion are just awesome and unmatched by any other keyboard i think... And the styles are just so fantastic ...all the styles are so good and usable

I didn't say the styles are not usable, they are all great, I have owned the PA1xpro, the SD1, the G70, the Tyros 1 and 2.

I think alone the Tyros 2 has probably the best single solo sounds out there, 2nd would be the Korg.

Now when used in a full PA system with a possible guitarist and vocalists and such it seems that the Ketron has a very good rythm and bass section that can carry it by itself.

I do allot of recording and sound engineering, and it is a breeze to fill the room with a Ketron, the Tyros falls short, but the styles and op system is the best.

I'm not saying the T2 is not worth it, some people like chocolate some like vanilla, they are both good

BTW, what are the differences between the SD1 and the SD1plus?

Ihad both T2 and SD1. Loved 'em both. Now I have nothing, except borrowed G70. Love it too.
There are things about all 3 I hate as well.
What's next? Probably Korg PA800.
DonM

Hi, I had 2 SD1s, and now I have the Tyros2, the issues I had with the SD1/SD1+ for ME, is the polyphony, is only 64, and let say,a single note in the right hand is actually 3 notes, so, as a pro player that do not sing, I rely in a strong lead and that has some "choke notes".
The SD1 has wonderful sounds and styles, but for me, it did not work well, in fact, I became the Phoenix area consultant on the Ketrons for most pros in the area, so, I am not knocking it, I loved, perhaps when a new Ketron flagship with at least 128 notes polyphony comes along.
In the mean time, I am very happy with the T2, yes, I do have some tone generation wishes, and is not that Yamaha does not have the know how, only they choose no to include great sounds in certain areas. So I am waiting for my Korg PA800 to compliment the T2.

Well said,

I'm trying everything in my power to possibly keep the T2 and get a SD5 with 128 note polyphony.

Also the Ketron has a more european sound

don cant wait to hear your mp3 demos on the PA800 ....Hurry !!

You are hurrying the wrong guy. Tell Korg!
DonM

probably after xmas.....but by then Don you'll want the new Psr3000 upgrade model coming out at namm.

Not unless they make a lot of changes, not just another upgrade they could have easily done with software.
DonM

you know & I know it will most likely be a less featured T2 w/speakers now dont we?

SD1:

KEYBOARD
76 weighted keys .After touch. 6 Velocity Curves.

POLYPHONY
64 notes. 32 multitimbral.

SOUND GENERATION
48 Mbyte PCM ROM. 310 Presets, 350 GM Voices. 128 User Voices. 80 One Touch setting. PCM, Analog, FM Voicing. 16 digital Drawbars. Up to 1000 Drum Percussion Sounds.

RAM SOUND
16 Mbyte RAM Sounds. Single & Block Sound loading. Files .Wav, .Msp and .Ins supported. Sounds Autoloading.

ARRANGER
307 Custom Styles: 109 Flash rewritable - 198 ROM. Up to 999 instant access Disk Styles. Up to 64 RAM Styles. 48 Style setting. Single and Block Style loading. Style&Sound loading. 4 Arrangers, 3 Intros/Endings, 3 Fills Ins, Break, Fill To End. Multi-Fill function. Interactive accompaniment. Manual Bass. Jump. Arrange Lock. Wav. file synchronized with tempo. Tap tempo. Accelerando/Ritardando. Tempo Slow/Fast. Pedalboard.

DRUM SETS
24 internal Drum Sets. 24 User Drum Sets. 24 Live Drum Sets. Controls: Volume, Reverb, Panpot. Drum on/off switches. Manual Drums. Drum Mixer. 10 Drum Sections. Ram sounds assignable to User Drum Set.

PROGRAMS
128 Programs. 4 voices, 4 splits, Effects, Sustain, Portamento, Expression. Modes: Duet, Trio, Steel, Morphing. Velocity Switch.

2ND VOICE
2nd Voice programmable for each Preset and User Voice.

MIDIFILE PLAYER
SMF Song playback. Real Time song recording. Songs with lyrics, karaoke and files Txt. Conv Transposer. Song list. Song Chain. Song & Sound loading. Wave Sync. Demo & Hit folder. Alphabetical Drum & Bass. Lead Off.

OCTAVE
Up/Down +/- 1 Octave.

HARMONY
Pull, Jazz, Double, 5th, Bluegrass, Trill, Repeat.

PORTAMENTO
Rate control +/- 64- Mono Legato function.

TRANSPOSER
+/- 24 half tones

AFTERTOUCH
Assignable to Cut off, Volume, Bend, Slide, LFO, Attack, Threshold and Sensitivity control.

MOD. WHEEL
LFO to Pitch, to DCF, to DCA, Wha Wha, Swell, Rate. Rotor speed control.

PITCH WHEEL
Tune +/- 99 Cents . Vibrato On/Off. Bend value 0/24. Bend to LFO, DCF, DCA.

ARABIC SCALE
Tune +/- 99 Cents . Vibrato On/Off. Bend value 0/24. Arabic set ups foot switch assignable.

ACCORDION
International, Belgique. Left/Right velocity control. Bass octave. Bass Sustain. Bass to Chord recognition, Lower octave. Left drum to Bass & Chord.

EFFECTS
3 digital multi effects DSP's. 60 differents effects, Reverberation, Chorus, Flanger, Delay, Wha Wha, Distortion, Overdrive. Rotor, Equalizer +/- 12 dB (Low, Middle, High). 16 User Effects.

SAMPLER
16 Mbyte sampling 16 Bit - 44.1 kHz. Sample editor. Multisampler editor. Files .Wav Sync to Style.

VOCALIZER
Vocalizer unit. Harmonizer. Vocoder, Melody types. MIDI Vocalist track. Left&Right assign .Reverb,Delay,Transpose,Level,Hold.

MICRO
2 Micro input: XRL Balanced, Mono Jack. 2 Micro Out to external mixer. Level Pan Pot, Echo, Reverb, Pitch Shift +/-12, Dry.

MIDI
In1, In2, Out, Thru. 32 MIDI channels. General MIDI Standard.

SEQUENCER
16 Tracks, 150.000 notes.

FLOPPY DISK
3.5 2DD/HD.

HARD DISK
Type ATA IDE 2.5. 6 Gbyte. Up to 99 folders. 999 files for folder. Master folder. MIDI files, Styles, Programs, Registrations, Demo&Hit, Txt, User, Sounds. Hard Disk backup to PC.

DISPLAY
240 X 128 Pixel backlit graphic TCF

OUTPUT
Out 1Left/Mono. Out 2Right. Out 3. Out 4. Sustain Pedal. Footswitch (6 or 13 switches).

OUTPUTS ASSIGN
GM/Keyboard Out assignment to 4 audio Outputs.

INPUTS
Stereo headphone. MicroXRL. Micro Jack. Micro Gain control.

OPTIONAL
Video Interface. Volume Pedal. Volume Pedal 4 switches. Sustain pedal. Footswitch FS6 - FS13.

COMPUTER PC/MAC

Interface Cable & Software.

DIMENSIONS
119 x 39 x 12 Cms

WEIGHT
Kg 16.5 Lbs 36.5
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SD1 Plus:

KEYBOARD 76 half-weighted keys.After touch. 6 new Velocity Curves.

POLIPHONY 64 notes.32 multitimbral.

SOUND GENERATION 310 New Presets ( programmable ), 350 GM Voices.
128 User Voices. 80 One Touch setting.
16 digital Drawbars.Up to 1000 Drum Percussion Sounds.

RAM 16 MB RAM. Single &Block Sound loading. Files.Wav,Msp and Ins supported.

ARRANGER 131 New Flash Styles (rewritable ).168 ROM Styles. Style setting. 4 Arranger, 3 Intros/Endings, 3Fills Ins, Break, Fill To End, Jump. Interactive accompaniment. Tap tempo. Accelerando & Ritardando.Tempo Slow/Fast. 1 Touch to Style. Chord solo .
BASS Manual Bass, Bass to Lowest, Basso to Root. Bassist .

PIANIST Auto/Standard mode.

DRUM SETS 24 New Internal Drum Sets.24 User Drum Sets. 50 Live Drums. Manual Drums.Drum Mixer.10 Drum Sections.

PROGRAMS 128 Programs.4 voices.Modes uet,Trio,Steel,Morphing. Single & Global Program Disk loading.

2ND VOICE 2nd Voice programmable for each Preset and User Voice. 2nd Voice to Disk.

MIDIFILE PLAYER SMF Song playback.Real Time song recording.Songs with lyrics,karaoke and files Txt. Juke box.Intelligent Transposer. Demo&Hit folder. Drum&Bass. Lead Off. XD Series Remap.

DRUM REMIX Real time interactive MIDI ?le and Style playing. Song and Style select.

OCTAVE Up/Down +/-1 Octave.

HARMONY Full,Jazz,Double Up, Double Down, 5th, Bluegrass,Trill,Folk1, Folk 2, Repeat & Speed control.

PORTAMENTO Rate control +/-64.Mono Legato function.

TRANSPOSER +/-24 half tones

AFTERTOUCH Assignable to Cut off,Volume,Bend,Slide,LFO,Attack,Treshold and Sensitivity control.

MOD.WHEEL LFO to Pitch,to DCF,to DCA,Wha Wha,Swell,Rate.Rotor speed control.

PITCH WHEEL Tune +/-99 Cents .Vibrato On/Off.Bend value 0/24.Bend to LFO,DCF,DCA.

ARABIC SCALE Tune +/-99 Cents per note.13 Arabic set ups footswitch assignable.

ACCORDION MODE International,Belgique.Left/Right velocity control.Bass octave.Bass Sustain.Bass to Chord recognition, Lower octave. Left drum to Bass &Chord. Bass Off on Stop.

EFFECTS 3 digital multi effects DSP 's.60 differents effects,Reverberation,Chorus ,Flanger,Delay,WhaWha,Distorsion,Overdrive,Rotor,Equalizer +/-12 Db (Low,Middle,High).16 User Effects.

SAMPLER 16 Mbyte sampling 16 Bit -44.1 KHz. Multisampler editor. Wav Sync to Style.

VOCALIZER Vocalizer unit.Harmonizer.Vocoder,Melody types.MIDI Vocalist track.Left&Right assignment.
Filter edit.Vocalizer modes.

MICRO 2 Micro input:XRL Balanced,Mono Jack.2 Micro Out to external mixer.Level Pan Pot,Echo,Reverb,Pitch Shift+/- 12,Dry.

MIDI In1,In2,Out,Thru.32 MIDI channels.General MIDI Standard.

SEQUENCER 16 Tracks,150.000 notes.

FLOPPY DISK 3.5 2DD/HD.

HARD DISK Type ATA IDE 2.5. 6Gbyte .Up to 99 folders.Master folder.
Bonus Library : Stereo Grand Piano.Orchestral sounds. 200 Midi files. 200 Song Single Registrations. 35 Patterns. Internal Style backup folder. X & XD Series Style Conversion.

DISPLAY 240 X 128 Pixel baklit graphic TCF

OUTPUTS Out 1Left/Mono.Out 2Right.Out 3.Out 4.Sustain Pedal.Footswitch (6 or 13 switches).Micro1 Out.Micro2 Out.

GM/Keyboard Out assignment to 4 audio Outputs

INPUTS Stereo headphone.MicroXRL.Micro Jack.Micro Gain control.

OPTIONAL Video Interface .Volume Pedal.Volume Pedal 4 switches.Sustain pedal.Footswitch FS6-FS13.MIDI Pedalboard.

COMPUTER PC/Mac Interface .Cable&Software.

DIMENSIONS 119 X 39 X 12 Cms

WEIGHT Kg 16.5



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Larry
SynthZone Frapper

I guess they are the same except for color buttons

I just downloaded a review of the SD5 from a mag in Britiain

Been there and done that.
DonM

Hi Frank,
I didn't realize you'd already owned an sd1.


Came across some sd5 demo's.
http://www.bck.co.uk/htm/sd5demo.htm

best wishes
Rikki

yep we're stuck with whats out there for now.....& that's not a bad thing, but hopefully the future will bring much improvement, needs, & wants....we'll see!

I read in a review that the SD5 has only 64 note polyphony, I thought I heard somewhere it was 128?

Hey Frankieve,

I now have a T2 but have had different Ketron products in the past. I too miss the "up front" accompanyments and even some of the solo voices.

I have been toying with the idea of getting the Ketron SD2 which is a very small cheap Ketron module but has all the factory voices of the SD5.

I haven't checked it out yet but I am assuming that I can use the T2 styles to drive the Ketron drums and bass via midi.

This will probably require me to program some "null voices" for the yam drums and bass but that's an easy thing to do. I couldn't just shut the volumes down on the Yam's drum and bass channels as this would also reduce the SD2 volumes.

Anybody doing anything like this out there using a Tyros as a master - If this works then I can buy the SD2 for just £250 here in the UK which should give me the best of both worlds.

Regards - Keith

It will work for some stuff, but allot of the heart of Ketron styles are a audio groove that's mixed in wtih the actual midi notes, so you will get the better sounding bass adrums but will miss allot of that live audio grooves

HI Keith,
not sure it will work.
Program & Bank changes will probably not match up let alone the drum mapping.

I'm considering getting an sd2 for my OMB realtime arranger software. Difference is Bank & Program changes etc are easily adapted in omb to suit whatever soundsource I want to use , don't know how you'd go adapting what the T2 sends out via midi.

I've used my SD1+ as a soundsouce for OMB/psr styles. It can sound pretty good ( reason why I'm considering the SD2 for portability.) Styles ( especially drums) require a fair amount of editing though . The Sd1 is editable ie I could create drumsets to suit the xg mapping, but I wouldn't have that option with the sd2, so I'm better off trying to match the sd1 as closely as possible to the sd2 & edit my omb/psr styles to suit the sd2.

Haven't tried miding up my PSR1500 to SD1. The SD1 sounds are superior to my psr, but I don't know if I could be bothered going thru the hassles of trying to use the psr as a master or if it would even work.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by KFingers:
[B]Hey Frankieve,

Hi Frank,
where did you read it only had 64. Iwas under the impression it had 128 note polyphony??

Actually I'm trying to find out the polyphony on the SD2, hoping it's at leat 64 note.

Ketron aren't very big on giving out some details.

best wishes
Rikki

http://www.ketron.it/prodotti/index.asp?idTipo=2

first click English language (right upper corner)

click SD1 plus 'technical specifications'

[This message has been edited by kla4 (edited 10-24-2006).]

I downloaded a review from a Brittish Keyboard magazine,

He basically said that there were 64 note poly but had no note drops,

he also said there were less sounds and less styles compared to the SD1, but he mentioned the operating system was basically the same with some features that had been missing were added.

the brochure I have here at my store says 128 note polyphony and that is also what AJ told me when he demo'd at the Winter NAMM show last January. It seemed to me to me much like the SD1 in operation but with some newer, nicer sounds.
George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California www.kayesmusicscene.com

george when R U expecting the PA800 in the store?

Hi George,
you don't happen to know what the polyphony on the sd2 is.

Can't beleive Ketron don't put it in their specs/brochures.

best wishes
Rikki


[QUOTE]Originally posted by George Kaye:
[B]