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#181884 - 03/13/05 08:42 AM a shipload full of STYLES............
john smies Offline
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Registered: 05/05/00
Posts: 1384
Loc: koudekerke, Holland.
Just re-read the Roland G-70 thread and resisted the temptation to critisize this board once more for fear of being sent to purgatory ! (still don't like it though).
but what I am getting more and more curious about is the amount of styles people want and what they actually do with them ?
Let me explain.
I have here at home several CDroms containing 10.000 Yamaha styles, 6000 ketron styles, 5000 Roland styles, 3000 Korg styles,etc. so I guess that by some of your standards I should be having a ball ??!!!
Currently I only play the Korg PA-50, which ,fortunately has approx. 300 internal styles that can be replaced. All in all (i.e. including the user styles) I can therefore load approx. 360 NEW styles into the board. Naturally I keep on changing things from time to time but even now after three years of fairly extensive use I still have more than 50 styles currently residing in my board that could easily be chucked out (perhaps even more). Once in a while a truely great or useful style comes along which is then directly included of course.
I sometimes wonder if lots of keyboard folks have them on their toast instead of peanut butter. The number of styles, like the number of sounds really, has never made me very happy. I'd rather have a board with 100 great styles and no options than a board with 300 styles and a harddisk or whatever that stores another 10.000 !!
Same with sounds really. Have you ever counted the number of right-hand sounds that you really use a lot, regardless what keyboard you are playing ??? You'll probably be lucky to hit 20 or so !!!!!

regards,
john

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#181885 - 03/13/05 09:21 AM Re: a shipload full of STYLES............
Fran Carango Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
John I have simular library of styles...What do I use? About 30 styles..and a dozen right hand sounds..

What I like about the massive style library...it gives me everything I need to edit and design my own styles..especially for particular songs that I need to design/edit exsisting styles..

The library is also usefull if I have to clone a different instrument..maybe a client that is use to hearing a Korg i30...no problem I load the i30 styles to a disk,and the styles they want are ready[only better on my Roland]..
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#181886 - 03/13/05 03:58 PM Re: a shipload full of STYLES............
travlin'easy Offline
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15559
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
During the past five or so years I've sorted through thousands of style files, most of which ranged poor to awful. However, once in a while you come across one that is just incredible. Those are the ones that now reside on my USB Thumb Drive and get used on a regular basis. There are lots of conversions out there, but great styles are usually among the orrignials found on the keyboard. I'll keep searching for more, though, and when I find some good ones, I be sure to post them.

Cheers,

Gary
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#181887 - 03/13/05 04:13 PM Re: a shipload full of STYLES............
Riceroni9 Offline
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Registered: 11/15/04
Posts: 1298
Loc: TX, USA
Hi John: I'm a relative newcomer on the subject of arranger keyboards and styles but I am grateful that talented people take the time to create the styles available. Of course, not all styles are useful to me but, as a songwriter, it is like panning for gold when a great find shows up. The latest group of Roland G70 styles have aided me alot in creating several new songs. My partner and I use styles to help us create demos of our new songs. Without them (styles) our stuff would sound pretty plain vanilla. With styles, we are able to present our music the way we envision that it should be heard.

Viva Technology! RICE

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#181888 - 03/13/05 04:17 PM Re: a shipload full of STYLES............
Sheriff Offline
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Registered: 02/18/05
Posts: 965
Loc: Frankfurt, Hessen, Germany
I usually use only a few sounds - be it the synth or be it the guitar. After a while of composing songs with those sounds I often reach the point where I want to have something new. Then the time has come for me to search for new sounds either via internet or via self-made production (for example: sampling).
If I've searched through hundreds of sounds I usually reach the point where I don't want to see a computer or synth any longer. Until this time I've mostly found the new sounds I'll need in the following part of my life.
I think this is called 'Yin' and 'Yang' and means the up and down of our destiny...

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#181889 - 03/14/05 03:20 AM Re: a shipload full of STYLES............
RMepstead Offline
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Registered: 06/15/02
Posts: 1662
Loc: Wootton Bassett - Wiltshire - ...
Hi all - when you play/gig for 5 hours on the trot like I do from time to time, you get through a lot of material and it isn't good entertainment to use the same style files/rhythms regularly...
So I keep and use in excess of 500 style files all specific to particular songs to provide variation.
Rog
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#181890 - 03/14/05 04:04 AM Re: a shipload full of STYLES............
adimatis Offline
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Registered: 01/28/05
Posts: 1159
Loc: Oradea, RO
a friend of mine started to colect alot of sounfonts, a couple of years ago, and he finished having about few thousands of them. some of them quite impressive as they sounds. i kept telling him he should stop searching like crazy for everything new and focusing more on creativity, combination of this already huge sound banks he had. after a while, sf sounds became obsolete, and now he started to put togheter everything that's called vst, giga, and so on.
i repeated the steatement to him and finally he agree with me!

the chances to get everything that comes out on the market is soo pour anyway. instead would be much better to use at maximum the best you already have! at least i try this way!
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#181891 - 03/14/05 04:47 AM Re: a shipload full of STYLES............
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
20 styles /20 sounds is all I need or ever use on stage to make a living
Don't forget it's the "TALENT" you can't buy!!

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#181892 - 03/14/05 04:54 AM Re: a shipload full of STYLES............
Gunnar Jonny Online   content
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Registered: 04/01/01
Posts: 4333
Loc: Norway
Quote:
Originally posted by RMepstead:
....it isn't good entertainment to use the same style files/rhythms regularly...


Good to hear Roger, because I've really been a guest where arr. kb's
have been used, and it was the very same onboard 8 beat, slow rock or
whatever "favourite" used all the time, all songs sounded about the
same way, no differences other than the lyrics.


Myself I love to explore styles, use different parts to pull together
and tweak to a new one etc. and there is always something to learn.
Styles may sometimes look very similiar, but there are always subtle
distinctions and shades to find who might make it very suitable for a
song you're playing or fit your need and taste the way you play it.

Long time since I lost counting, but I'm still hounting for new stuff.
Guess it's a kind of "never ending story".

GJ
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#181893 - 03/14/05 05:03 AM Re: a shipload full of STYLES............
kbrkr Offline
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Registered: 11/19/02
Posts: 2866
Loc: Tampa, FL
I break down my styles into beats and patters necessary to cover all types of songs; from 6/8 slows songs to Latin, etc. The problem I face is with Jazz Fusion, Dance, and Rock songs and getting the right groove. To that end, I have searched for 100's of styles to cover the myriad of beats and feels necessary.

For example; What style would you use for Billy Joel's "Shades of Gray" or Paul Simon's "You can call me AL"?

So what I do, I use the Tyros hard disk with folders that mirror the preset styles in memory. When I want my custom style, I use the USER DISK button and then press the PRESET style button to recall my favorite styles.

The other thing is do is make use of Gary's Gig Disks to help me find that right style (Thank you Gary!!!!). And also, the music finder is a big help in connecting styles to songs.

But I must say, I do use my inventory of 1000's of styles to filter out the "BEST of the BEST" and then put them in my USER DISK Folder on the Tyros hard disk.

Al
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