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#131022 - 07/23/02 11:22 PM PA80 acts like the X1 .... (not in a good way)
Uncle Dave Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 12800
Loc: Penn Yan, NY
Here's my latest PA80 hurdle:

Lets say, I got the panel voices set just right - piano/strings .... left hand bass, and all the arrangements shut off, with the chord triggers in the right hand. (the way I like it)......

You'd think I could now just change drum patterns at will, and the voices will remain the same, right??? WRONG !
Each time i call a new drum style up - the arrangement reverts back to being "on". This is not fair. At the very least - these units should be able to change drum patterns without changing anything else. What gives?
The X1 did the same thiong - gave me a whole new band (bass player and all) each time I changed rhythms.

What band changes personel on every number?
Who would EVER change instruments, EVERY time the song changes?

Anyone know a way around this, other than writing all the patterns over again? maybe there is a lock-out somewhere that I missed.

Seems like there should be a way to just have a new drum style and change nothing else. Am I alone here, ot does anyone else think this sounds like a useful idea?

I'm sleeeepy, and all I can see is the weird blue/gray screen on this stinkin' Korg. Off to bed for me.

Hey - Chime in on my "Who's line" game - might be fun !
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#131023 - 07/24/02 08:19 AM Re: PA80 acts like the X1 .... (not in a good way)
Ketron_AJ Offline
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UD,
This feature is available on the X-series (OS4.0), XD-series and SD1 [Bass & Lower LOCK feature]. This way, when you change from one style to another, the arranger components (bass and lowers {if you want}) will remain unchanged. In order to maintain volume levels and instrumentation as you move from one style to another, you can user REGISTRATIONS and 'freeze' accompaniment changes.
Hope this helps.
Thanks,
AJ

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#131024 - 07/24/02 08:25 AM Re: PA80 acts like the X1 .... (not in a good way)
Scottyee Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
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UD:Works on the Yammy PSR keyboards too, but you already knew that of course.
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#131025 - 07/24/02 08:27 AM Re: PA80 acts like the X1 .... (not in a good way)
rhumba Offline
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Registered: 08/03/01
Posts: 160
Loc: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Scott:
I switched my keyboard from the super old Korg i3 to the new PA-80 for obvious reasons.

Uncle Dave:
I feel your pain about not able to control your "band" when you change styles. That was the very first thing I notice when playing with the PA-80. My Korg i3 has separate volume sliders for drum, bass, accomp, kbd1, and kbb2 tracks. I could easily turn anything off by quickly pull the sliders all the way down - worked great in situation when the singer could not follow my rhythm.

Why did they decided to take these off on the PA80, I don't know.

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#131026 - 07/24/02 08:41 AM Re: PA80 acts like the X1 .... (not in a good way)
Uncle Dave Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 12800
Loc: Penn Yan, NY
Yup - the sliders were pretty cool, but there was NO comparison in styles or sound between the i series and the PA80. I can live with the +/- buttons, but I need to lock out those silly changes of instruments.
I think I'll have to over write the entire style banks to get what I want. I'll have to have TWO sets - one with acc and one WITHOUT. What a waste of memory, but at least I have that option.
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#131027 - 07/24/02 09:32 AM Re: PA80 acts like the X1 .... (not in a good way)
George Kaye Offline
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Registered: 11/24/99
Posts: 3305
Loc: Reseda, California USA
Dave,
I just spoke with AJ on the phone because I don't know of an accomp. lock on Ketron products. We discussed your post and he realizes you want to lock the accomp. parts out and not just lock the bass sound and other sounds from changing. The Ketron X1 and SD1 can lock the bass sound and the left hand sound, but there is no lock to hold all the other chord sounds and parts on and off. You can turn all the volume setting off and these will hold, but if you turn down the bass volume, there will be no bass sound. On the X1 you have to turn off a lot of volume tracks and this can get messy.
However, the new XD9 has a feature called "BASSIST". If you turn this feature on, and use the feature called "BASS LOCK", you can switch to any style and have only the beat change, but the bass sound and the ability to only play left hand bass with whatever you want on the right hand, say pianl/strings will remain. Chord recognition goes automatically to the right hand, so if you wish to hear an orchestra being played from right hand chords this works, or you can mute the chord volumes, which is on one button and it will hold for every style you select.
Sorry this doen't help the PA80, but for anyone playing UD's style, would like this new feature on the XD9, XD3 and Vega.
George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
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#131028 - 07/24/02 09:39 AM Re: PA80 acts like the X1 .... (not in a good way)
Uncle Dave Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Loc: Penn Yan, NY
Hmmmmm - interresting. I might give this XD9 a close look.
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#131029 - 07/24/02 02:56 PM Re: PA80 acts like the X1 .... (not in a good way)
rhumba Offline
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Registered: 08/03/01
Posts: 160
Loc: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Hi George,
Can I return the PA-80 to you for the XD9? You made it sound so good


*Edited* No, I would rather like to know the pricing of the XD9. Do we have some thing?

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