After hearing Uncle Daves review of the Bose L1 I had to see one. I visited my local GC and was a bit surprised at its size. The weight was the real shocker. I guess weight is a subjective thing.

Here's the specs -

Dimensions -

•Power stand: 26.0 in (660 mm) W x 26.0 in (660 mm) D x 5.0 in (127 mm) H

•Cylindrical Radiator™ loudspeaker (each section): 3.5 in (89 mm) W x 4.0 in (105 mm) D x 43.0 in (1092 mm) H

•Remote control: 2.8 in (71 mm) W x 5.6 in (141 mm) D x 1.6 in (40 mm) H

•Bass module (optional): 10.3 in (250 mm) W x 18.0 in (457 mm) D x 15.3 in (380 mm) H

Weight -

•Power stand: 35 lb (16 kg)

•Lower line array: 16.0 lb (7 kg)

•Upper line array: 14.5 lb (6 kg)

•Remote control: 0.6 lb (0.27 kg)

•Bass module (optional): 28 (13 kg)

I don't think I'd want to meet UD in a dark alley if he was mad at me. I do agree this setup is lighter than a staduim sound system. I guess I'm just a wimp. I got rid of my 9000Pro because it was to heavy to lug around.

I thought the specs might be useful.

Have a great day!

RP

Especially with his 5th degree black belt!!

Wow--that's heavy! Guess I'll stick with the Barbettas. Sona 32-C = 36.5 pounds.

Gary

HYyeeeaaaaah ! !

I heard it was a bit heavy also from someone else....but I guess it has to have some heft to give off a quality sound...
but to carry Bose 2 Subs for bigger venues...? Arggggg? I'll stick with my [2] 37lb ea. Barbetta Sona 32c's & a 23lb Psr2k...my Back thanx me every night..
www.barbetta.com

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Yes, not only does it sound heavy (total weight over 60 lbs) , but it appears it requires setup assembly & breakdown dis-assembly as well. Uncle Dave, 'how long' does it it take to setup/breakdown the Bose L1 system? I really like the Motion Sound amps cause you just bring it in and you're ready to go. No parts to assemble, and no lifting onto pole stands required. My back really appreciates that. - Scott

We just had a demo of the MD12, the Pro-line installer's version of the L1. That is one hot system. A sub is definitely needed for any type of bass, but the articulation of the highs and mids is excellent. Unfortunately, we will not be installing them in our church because of some architectural obstacles, but wow, that is a dynamite system.

Might I add, anyone who thinks they might want to punch things up a bit, might look into the MD12's; they can be stacked 3 high and project up to 120' with less than 6db audible loss, front to back. A separate mixer/amp can be used instead of the L1 base.

casp......any links to it?

I don't understand this ,cause I think correct me if I am wrong, Uncle Dave said he could nearly handle all in one arm???
Now your saying that is Soooo Heavy????

Hmmmmmmmmm
Get me thinking!!!!

I think he meant while its in its carrying case its esy to transport even though it has some weight.....
But Dave is a bruiser for sure!!

Wow, sounds like UD didn't just shed pounds, but packed on muscle as well. I remember when he could'nt bear transporting the 50 lb 9000pro. How times have changed. Wow, what a difference a day (I mean 6 mos) makes. Dave, you been working out at the Gym? - Scott

You guys are all wrong. NO one piece is heavier than one Barbetta is.
The tower breaks down into 2 pieces, at about 16lbs each. EZ to carry both with one hand. (Nice carry bags with well placed handles too)

The pedestal is 34 lbs and is balanced perfectly to grab with one hand and keep your arm fully extended in transit.

The woofer is under 30lbs, I think, but it's really teeny, tiny compared to everything out there.

The beauty of this is that it has no speaker wires to connect. You lay the pedetal on the floor - stick the bottom 1/2 of the tower into a slot - slide the top 1/2 into the locking channel, and bang ! It's set up. Maybe 45 seconds? One cable to the woofer - one to the remote and one into the wall. Maybe add another 45 seconds..... so that's under 2 minutes to set up a 750 watt system that will cover a room of 300 people, and not annoy any of them with exsessive volume or harsh progection characteristics.

Breakdown is a snap. Take the tower apart, put each piece in it's case. Put the pedestal in it's case and load the car.
The woofer doesn't come with a case, but it's made of scratch resistant material and should hold up pretty well. I'll probably have a vinyl cover made just for foul weather. I hate to unload in the rain or snow.

Believe me ..... so far, there are no down sides to this setup. I'm actually teasing my brain into thinking about a second tower for those really large venues where I might beifit from a stereo spread, but I still have my doubts about possible cancellation. The jury is still out on that one.

I did acoffee house tonight with it on acoustic guitar, and it was beautiful. Unobtrusive, clear even volume with sizzling highs and full, rich bass. Ask Fran - he was there !

Fran, Dave said to ask you about the sound.
How was it?
DonM

I believe that it is not the actual weight of the speakers that we find uncomfortable, but the way we have to carry it.

I think that my G1000 is quite heavy to carry in its soft case, at 40 Lbs, yet I recall how carrying any one of my four sons around was a snap, when they were almost twice that weight.

If you can carry the speakers in a comfortable bag and close to your body, they will feel much easier to get around than carrying the same weight in a large box with the handles on either sides or top.

I have seen the Bose speakers on display, and they are certainly very compact. Even the subwoofer seems extremely transportable.

If I could only justify the price...

Regards,

Alex

Sorry for the delay, DNJ and all, but here is the link to the MA12 (screwed up on that number too).

http://www.bose.com/pro/pro-index.html?alias=pro.bose.com

I admit, the price is a definite factor in the Bose's appeal (or lack, thereof) but to justify it ......
**I look at the ease of setup:
(no more speaker stands )
**The visual appeal:
EVERYone loves it so far. That gets folks talking about me.....and the gear. Good press!
** The ability to cover many different rooms with one, simple setup. I have a house party this Saturday, and I can't WAIT to hear the improvement in sound/looks that this will provide.

The looks are a big part of the charm for house parties....especially in multi-million dollar houses. When clients pay a ritzy coordinator (like Franc! ) you can bet they are shelling out a bundle for their entertainment. The improved visual and audio benefits are well worth the extra $$$ to me.

It will also virtually eliminate the need for a small system for ANY venue. If I need to punch up the bass in a tiny cocktail setting ..... I can leave the towers packed up. The bass unit works fine from the pedestal unit, and will in fact, power up to SIX bins without the towers connected. How's THAT for versatility?

I'm pretty high on this concept so far, can you tell?

Cass,
It looks like the MA12 is UNpowered, right? The best part of having the PAS system is the lack of connections. No speaker wires to connect or trip over. I'm thinking of cancelling my liability insurance !

Right UD, they look basically like the L1 minus the base. You can stack them 3 high and punch up the wattage. Not necessarily an improvement over the L1, just similar.

I can see these popping up all over in churches and schools ! They are so inteligable and clear for the vocal range.

Exactly! We heard the MA's and EV Sx80 and EVID 4.2. No comparison in quality using the exact same amp and mixer settings. The MA's required a lot less power/db ratio. Adding a sub really charged the bass. We decided against them for our church because we have coves on either side of the knave and getting good dispersion into those areas were a real problem, given our architecture. We settled on the EVID 4.2's, but those Bose MA12's were really clear.

In a couple of days Dave will have my laptop to set up. I don't want ya'll bothering him when he gets it OK.

I'm not sending him the i5s until he says on the forum that the laptop is in the mail. Like me he spends entirely to much time with this crap. But I am retired.

He is suppose to be out making money so he can buy all the stuff he wants so he doesn't have to do this swap baloney.

Hey ! I LOVE the swap game !
C'mon ... ship the Korg - don't cha trust your old uncle ?????????

Boo, you can ship the keyboard. Dave won't disappoint you.
DonM

Atta boy.

Hey Boo, Besides Dave is going to sell me your old is5 for $650[keep it around for a back up] , never know when you may need a "cheap" keyboard...Don the Bose does sound good, and I am not a Bose fan..besides Dave wanted to get rid of that PSR2100 so bad he would have even traded for an old i30..

Boo .... he's a liar ! A Liar !!!!!!!
I'm the only one left that'll even THINK about playing that i5s !
Ship away, my friend !

Oh it's an i5s, not an is5...I don't want that...you will have to keep it for yourself..

If you can't trust Uncle Dave--Who can you trust?

YEAH !

I surfed into your site on a search for Bose L1 stuff. I am a guitarist and singer, and I play a Parker nylon string guitar. I just bought a Roland AC-60 which works great in my small bar gig. I auditioned a Bose L1 system at GC recently, and I was really impressed. The Taylor nylon string guitar sounded as clear and transparent as on any system I've heard. Very accurate reproduction. We also AB'ed the sound with and without subwoofers. There's an only slightly detectable difference, on the low (80hz) E. I know you keyboard folks need lots of good low end, still pretty impressive. We tried a duet with electric bass and 2 subwoofers, again great sound.

Awesome, ain't it ! I love my fly too, but I have a steel string, and I use acoustic Bronze 13's on it ! I mostly play the piezo pickup. Good luck !

What is the next step down from a
Barbetta 32C in terms of sound quality, size, weight, and price? (and I mean any brand and not just Barbetta.) Thanks

JBL eon10G2. Hands down. The EV sx100a is about on par with the barbetta, but the JBL is sweet.

Vquestor,

Here is a thread that shows many powered speaker options: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=550767&h ighlight=rintincop

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Hi all, I discovered (by pleasant surprise) Rintincop also lives in the San Francisco Bay area . He told me he auditioned the Bose PAS firsthand at our local GC store, with the PAS hooked up to a Yamaha Digital Piano (playing a 'stereo sampled' acoustic grand piano voice patch) and experienced the same (but to a lesser extent) phase cancellation problems he had heard when going out mono from Yamaha's stereo sampled keyboard voices to other single (mono) PA powered speakers: JBL, EV, etc.

Rintincop, I was hoping you could elabarate here on your findings. Just 'how much' less phase cancellation degradation goes on thru the Bose PAS compared to other single mono powered PA speakers: JBL Eon, EV SXA100, etc? Is the sound degradation within acceptable pro performance limits? Rintincop, realizing that your primary consideration of the Bose PAS is for playing exposed acoustic (stereo sampled) piano in a small combo setting, do you recommend the Bose PAS? Thanks - Scott

I think you can compensate for whatever frequencies are affected by using the EQ on the remote control. If it's being used loudy, then there is no trouble with mono .... the air will force it to all corners of the room. If it's quieter, then the kb speakers ( if you got 'em! ) will progect a stereo image in the neqr vacinity to the performer. It will enhance the signal coming from the Bose and make a very full package.
Everyone .. stop READING, and go PLAY this speaker system!!!!!!!!!!! Forget anything you read about it (even by ME!)..... and go EXPERIENCE what it can do.
I had mine in a room full of mirrored walls tonight - no feedback, and even clearer "sizzle" .... it wqs really great. The best sound so far, since I got it. It sounded like I had headphones on all night. It was THAT present in my vantage point.

Thanks much rintincop and Uncle Dave,
I will investigate those options.

This is getting frightening. I can't wait till the 18th when I head north to hear U.D. and DNJ again.

Cheers,

Gary

I have a question... is this Bose system really powerful? like a Mackie SRM 450, only as an example?

Luis Santos

Has anyone heard the new EV SxA360
or Mackie SRM350 yet?

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EV SxA360

http://www.electrovoice.com/Electrovoice/products.nsf/allpages/066D59279DD6D938 86256B96005D4B0A

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