THanks cloakboy: so in essence a synth like the Roland Juno-60 or Yamaha DX-7 are synthesizers, even though they have patches and program memory. Where as something like KORG's Trtion would not be considered a synthesizer becuse it uses playback samples, or as you call them ROMplers? A sampler is nice But I do not have enough resourecs at my desposele too make my own sounds, and relying on some one elses samples takes away form the creativeity.