Originally Posted By Anthony Johnson
Originally Posted By Diki
Sorry, Gary, but if making money is the sole goal in life, music is a TERRIBLE way of ensuring it. I could have made so much money as a doctor or a lawyer that even a fully booked arranger ‘entertainer’ wouldn’t come close..!

And if you think the ‘musicians’ in your arranger are world class, you’ve never played with one. Sorry to be blunt, but the worst guitarist I know that I would consider a ‘pro’ can play circles round the best arranger in the world. The best of them play circles round me!

I wonder, with money apparently so important, and waiters making so much more than you did playing, how come you didn’t drop playing? Your logic suggests that’s the goal… Or perhaps playing music actually IS more important than money!?!

At any level… 🎹😎


I'm surprised that you are willing to debase yourself by making such big-headed statements.
Is there only you who knows what a Pro or world class musician is?
Why does Gary or the rest of us not know what a Pro or world class musician is?
The definition of Pro is simply someone who earns their living at that particular thing.
Why should we have any reason to believe there are any Pro's on this forum who are any better than ourselves.
The word Pro is so overused on here by guys who are trying to put themselves up on a pedestal.

What is more important in this world is whether someone is a nice guy and Gary is universally acclaimed for that.
Apart from on this forum, I have never heard of Abacus, Diki or any of the other "Pro proclaimers" who don't impress me at all.
You are entitled to believe that everyone looks down on someone who uses auto-accompaniment if you wish but in reality,
that is only your opinions which don't matter at all to the rest of us.
This sounds to me as though some of those who proclaim themselves to be Pro's are very insecure and need to bolster their image by pulling others down.
Arrangers have auto accompaniment so that anyone who doesn't have access to a band can still play without sounding a bit EMPTY.
The guys who play with a band sound just as EMPTY when the band is not there.
We all play differently in the same way we all cook a meal differently and no other has the right to say "only my way is right".
Why not drop your insecurities and boasting and use the arranger forum to post about arrangers with or without auto accompaniment.
If you dislike auto accompaniment so much, you could always go on piano or organ forums where they don't discuss such like.
I played organs for many years in pubs & clubs and wish I had a good Hammond in my home at this moment but,
I live in a home, not a studio and, I wouldn't be able to take it with me when I go out.
I never knew there were such people as instrument snobs with inflated ideas of their own importance.



Hi Anthony Johnson
I have never claimed to be a pro so stop claiming otherwise, I am fully a home hobby player who has also been using computers for music since the early 80s.
I have met many musicians over time and still keep in touch.
Arranger keyboards came from the easy play features of organs where they claimed you could play with just one finger, unfortunately they shot themselves in the foot as the Japanese came in with a keyboard that could be played with one finger in each hand and was smaller and a fraction of the price of an organ plus could be hidden in the cupboard when that quickly became bored with it. (Why learn to play a big organ when you could just press a button and have pretty much everything done for you and hence the demise of the home organ began)
Arranger keyboards are and always have been designed for the home hobby player, NOT professional musicians, but just because something was not designed for a particular type of use, does not preclude it from being used in that type of environment, however if you want the best you use the instrument that is best for the job, (If you want a real piano sound use a piano) an arranger keyboard is a jack of all trades and a master of none, that is the fact, if you don’t like it, hard cheese, just suck it up. (Putting it on a pedestal doesn’t make it more than what it is)
Here’s a question, how many professional arranger keyboard players in the world do people know about either through radio, TV, recordings and other types of media, then ask yourself how many piano, organ, trumpet, synth players etc. are out there that people know about? (The answer is there are virtually no arranger players that people know about because the instrument is not designed for pros but for the home hobby player)
Finally the ones you complain about on here actually answered my question with some great views from many others, and is what makes a forum.

Bill
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