Sorry to correct you James, but perhaps you are not that familiar with Roland's (or unable to admit when you are wrong )....

There are MANY patches in the G70 and on SRX cards (that run on the G70 engine) with FAR more going on in the voice parameters than the simple ADR envelopes that the front end allows you access too. Swells, cross-switches, cross fading between oscillators, inverted envelopes, monophonic behavior, retriggering envelopes, the list goes on and on.

What the USER gets at the front end is very simple, just enough to fine tune and perhaps reshape the sound a LITTLE. But, back at the factory, some programmer put all the complex behavior in at the FULL voice engine, and wrote it to ROM. If the G70's engine could not do these things, the patch could not do these things. And, I can assure you they DO...

After all, the G70's sound engine is based on the Fantom. That's a LOT of programming power. It's just that Roland, like most other arranger makers, keep what the USER has access to to more basic editing, thinking (probably rightly) that that is sufficient power without intimidating the user for what he is likely to need. Roland have a pretty large selection of synth leads and pads, then I added an SRX board with a ton more, and for live, I haven't YET found anything I couldn't get 'close enough for live' out of the ROM patches with a little tweaking.

Sure, I want to create something utterly unique, I've got to perhaps go to the K2500 or the Triton or the VSTi's, but on the whole, when playing live, I am not expected to come up with something utterly unique. Cover music doesn't really need that, and I can't remember EVER seeing an original electronica band that used arrangers...

I am as interested in voice tweaking as anyone. I defy you to find a keyboard with a more powerful, more convoluted voice editing system than the K2500 (other than the K2600 ), and I know it pretty backwards and forwards. But somehow, I manage to perform live without that complexity, doing the kind of material I do. Sure, I'm not trying to do Jean Micheal Jarré, or Tomita, or Wendy Carlos or trance, but I can get close enough to any of those to fool the average listener with my presets.

There's about 400 synth pads and leads in the G70 ROM. There's another 200+ on the SRX-07 card (not counting its' 300 odd acoustic sounds). If you can't find what you need out of 600+ high quality synth patches (with ADR and basic LFO and filter offsets), it may be time to reconsider whether an arranger is the right keyboard for you. And get a Kurzweil!

I still don't get why you don't grok the concept that, if it's OK for the Oasys to NOT be an arranger, why isn't it OK for an arranger to NOT be an Oasys? As long as it does the task it is designed for...