I think you missed my point, This was strictly about ketron, Not a used korg or roland, etc.... Yamaha has done a wonderful job in the last few years with price points on certain models, like the psr3000 vs T1 & S900 vs T2, etc.... You got a chunk of the big boys in a mid point price, that has really taken off for yamaha. Ketron had that shot with the XD9 and they missed the boat. The XD9 was a good keyboard and by the time you have a hard drive, vocal etc..you were over $2500. Ketron audya at 4000 does not have marketing like yamaha where they can push a volume of keyboards out the door. Don't get me wrong I like Ketron very much.....but it has been a disappointment in the past couple of years.