I paid retail for my XV5080. It costs a fortune in Canada, somtimes you just gots to have it! I also bought a JV1080 when they came out, and I also bought a JV880 when that came out. If you wait 15 years you can get a bargain. I got a Jupiter 6 MINT, not-one-single-scratch with a hard flight case for 600 bucks (canadian)....several years ago....that made up for it!