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#94752 - 02/11/06 05:10 PM
Re: Please Listen to: Lyin' Eyes (Eagles) performed LIVE on Tyros2 !
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
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Originally posted by SemiLiveMusic:
I hear something very strange at 1:35, when the vocal harmony first starts. It sounds like a flub you forgot to erase or some kind of glitch because to these ears, the vocal harmony is clearly off key for a note or two.
Bill: picky, picky aren't we?!. Ok, I went back and re-listened and can hear the (harmony) distortion (two notes) you're referring to, but don't feel it takes away from the overall song. In addition, I'm not sure how easily possible (if at all) the flub could be removed as everything (vocals, keyboard, & vocal harmony parts) were recorded 'all at once' on one stereo track. As I stated initially, I recorded this completely 'live' (no post editing whatsover) so a glitch can only be expected. I admit the Tyros2's built in vocal harmonizer is far from perfect, but still quite acceptable (at least to me) for live performance. I own & a dedicated TC-Helicon "Voice Works" vocal harmony unit, but for this song, wanted to showcase what I do, solely with the Tyros2 alone. Ok Bill: Except for the vocal harmonizer glitch you pointed out, curious what you (and others) thought of my rendition of the song otherwise. - Scott
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#94755 - 02/11/06 10:39 PM
Re: Please Listen to: Lyin' Eyes (Eagles) performed LIVE on Tyros2 !
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Registered: 03/20/01
Posts: 847
Loc: Nashvville TN
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Hi Scott. This country/easy rock stuff is really up my alley. I thought the style choice and overall presentation was pretty good. There are so many verses in the song; i wish I'd have heard a little more right hand action between the lines doing some fill-in counterpoint lines. There needed to be something giving the song a little sonic interest since it is so long, to keep the style from sounding repetative. I hear the really light piano stuff you are doing, and it sounds good, but for some of those verses I'd have gotten a little more aggressive with it; brought it out, changed the nice smooth style to something a little more melodic and not so chordal. Also, i have to agree that the vocal harmonizer did you no justice whatever on this song. The choruses I thought it did a rather horrible job to be honest, on the long words like "hide", and "now". It was shaking all over the place and doing wrong notes. Seeing as how I do not yet own a serious arranger, my brother has a PSR225, so I don't know how these harmonizers work exactly, but it seemed like it was having a hard time figuring out what note you were singing, or figuring out what note it wanted to sing with you.
Overall it was good though; everything you do is good, this one I think though could be much better. Maybe it's just because you are in my style now and I pick it apart a bit more.
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#94756 - 02/12/06 05:27 AM
Re: Please Listen to: Lyin' Eyes (Eagles) performed LIVE on Tyros2 !
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Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 2204
Loc: Louisiana, USA
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Scott, I thought overall it was very good. I also noticed some different phrasings but I've heard that song a zillion times, so, my brain is expecting the way the Eagles sing it. But overall, very good.
The glitch I mentioned... let me say that I listened through headphones. I don't know if you can hear it without headphones. But...
I've never heard anything like it. If this is a harmonizer error, this is very surprising to me. It is obviously totally offbase. That note is an "Ouch!" You said you recorded it live, so it HAS to be the harmonizer. I find this interesting. That it could be so wrong. Worthy of discussion. It obviously picked up the "wrong" chord to base it on or something. I don't know exactly how a harmonizer works.
Suffice to say, you made fun of my being picky and I assume you don't really think that... a pro like you would surely cringe with this. Anyway, that vocal error would be totally unacceptable to ME. And I'm very surprised a keyboard of that quality would do that.
I just went back and listened again. Yep, that is an "Ouch!" I listened to the chords preceding this. It's on the word "hide" in "You can't HIDE your lying eyes" in the chorus at 1:35.
I'm curious as to how this harmonizer note could be so wrong. Or maybe I'm crazy. I think you wrote that you hear it, too?
I'd try another vocal harmony and see if it sings it right.
------------------ Bill Yamaha PSR2000
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#94761 - 02/12/06 07:21 AM
Re: Please Listen to: Lyin' Eyes (Eagles) performed LIVE on Tyros2 !
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Registered: 03/21/02
Posts: 788
Loc: Rotherham,England.
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Hi Scott Thanks for the posting of "Lyin Eyes" which I listened to just once so as to get an original personal opinion without stripping it down! For me, it's not one of your best . Your diction in the vocal is clear and audible , as always. Even better now with your latest mic. As a 'one-off' recording(which you intended it to be) it's OK but I don't think you should keep it on your webpage because it doesn't do you justice.I know from having listened to most of your songs that you are an accomplished musician/vocalist who entertains us with your talent. It also doesn't do justice to Tyros2 because you don't USE it ! I have a suggestion. Don Mason did me a special CD a while ago which was recorded during a live gig and it was so natural that I listen to it time and time again. It has genuine live gig entertainment feeling together with the 'reverb' you get from a live show.He used a Creative Nomad Jukebox plugged in to the keyboard and then burned to CD with a result that was so natural. I believe that you should record also in this way for some of your songs and I am sure I would hear the 'real ' Scott! Please let me hear more of your songs in real 'realtime' because I am convinced that you are an even better professional than some of your recordings tell us. Hope these suggestions are taken in the way intended, i.e. as constuctive ideas I would like you to take on board. Whatever you do ,please continue to let us hear your vocals. cheers Eddie ------------------ Eddie from Rotherham Skype:eddiefromrotherham www.yamahakeyboards.info
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#94763 - 02/12/06 12:44 PM
Re: Please Listen to: Lyin' Eyes (Eagles) performed LIVE on Tyros2 !
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Registered: 12/01/02
Posts: 1790
Loc: Medina, OH, USA
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Scott, I liked it. First of all, you've done a good job of showcasing the T2 for this style and I liked what I heard from the T2. As far as your singing, I've come to expect that you will interject your own trademark style rather than try to emulate the origional recording, and to that extent, it works well.
As far as the song sounding "long", if I were to do it, I'd up the key a half tone at least once ~ 2/3 into the song. Don't think the Eagles did, but they're the Eagles. Overall, well done.
Glenn
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#94782 - 02/13/06 11:58 AM
Re: Please Listen to: Lyin' Eyes (Eagles) performed LIVE on Tyros2 !
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Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 2204
Loc: Louisiana, USA
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Originally posted by Pacesetter: Mr. Dnj, I don't comment too much on this forum because I'm pretty new here and don't have the experience many of you do. But, boy oh boy you sure do sling mud at that Scott Yee fella.
Yep, Pacesetter, I thought it was a low blow, too. But you'll notice that Donny's fingers get ahead of his brain. Notice how on almost EVERY SINGLE post he makes, it is edited. If you don't believe me, go back and look at his posts. No telling what he says originally. I don't give a damn who he THINKS he is, that's a bunch of crap. Scott did NOT embarrass himself. It was a good song, not great but better 'n I could do. ------------------ Bill Yamaha PSR2000
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#94788 - 02/13/06 12:29 PM
Re: Please Listen to: Lyin' Eyes (Eagles) performed LIVE on Tyros2 !
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
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Originally posted by SemiLiveMusic: Yep, Pacesetter, I thought it was a low blow, too. But you'll notice that Donny's fingers get ahead of his brain. Notice how on almost EVERY SINGLE post he makes, it is edited. If you don't believe me, go back and look at his posts. No telling what he says originally. I don't give a damn who he THINKS he is, that's a bunch of crap. Scott did NOT embarrass himself. It was a good song, not great but better 'n I could do.
Low Blow? or Honest critisizm? I aint gonna BS anyone or give some fantasy reply .....ya got the goods I'll give it up for ya ....you aint got it your gonna hear my opinion pro or con ......editing and all, but for anyone that knows me that in person will always get the UNEDITED answer straight up face to face....thats what a discussion forum is all about ..... unless the rules changed? T2/sd1, pax,3k, G70 tc etc dont mean squat to me .....what does matter is WHAT DOES IT SOUND LIKE? Have a nice day Mr Bill.
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#94794 - 02/13/06 02:44 PM
Re: Please Listen to: Lyin' Eyes (Eagles) performed LIVE on Tyros2 !
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Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 2204
Loc: Louisiana, USA
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Originally posted by Dnj: Being from the North of which I am proud of ...its called someone who looks you in the eye and tells it like it is straight up no BS !
Donny, you don't get it, do you. First you belittled him saying that he embarrassed himself. Then you said in a more recent post... "before he posted it here so Vibrantly with Eagle Poster fanfare etc etc." Again, belittling him for taking the time to put up a friggin poster! Geez. You REALLY don't get it! My gosh, he just posted a song, that's all. Putting it on his website, that's just convenient. A heckuva lot more convenient than Rapidshare. As webmaster of his own site, he can rapidly take that down. Doesn't mean he would keep it there long-term. So, you're proud of being a Yankee. That's good. Nothing wrong with pride and nothing wrong with a Yankee. And I truly mean that. That was a serious error on my part even bringing that foolishness up. I just meant that hospitality (and we typically are proud of southern hospitality) does have merit. But "telling it straight?" What's wrong with "Scott, I don't like it." I don't mean to fight with you. I just see injustice here. If you and I were at a bar, we'd probably have a grand time drinking a cool one. Then again, we might end up fighting like mongrels, wallowing around in a big blue/grey wad on the floor. Whatever, peace. ------------------ Bill Yamaha PSR2000
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#94815 - 02/17/06 08:41 AM
Re: Please Listen to: Lyin' Eyes (Eagles) performed LIVE on Tyros2 !
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
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Heehee, I never imagined my "Lyin' Eyes" song rendition would have stirred so much interest & debate. Because I don't have songwriting aspirations, I instead, view myself as a song 'stylist', looking to interpret familiar songs differently than the original. I realize that the original Eagles delivery took a more cynical attitude of the girl with 'lyin' eyes'. I on on the other hand, opted to deliver a more wistful (sad) view of her situation. To me, a song's lyrics (and how it's delivered) is equally important (and sometimes more so) than even the melody line. How you phrase a song can COMPLETELY CHANGE the meaning of a song, and this is where lyric interpretation can be so powerful. Thanks again to EVERYONE who responded to this thread. It's obvious that people here aren't afraid to share their strong opinions. I read 'everyones' replies carefully and applied what seemed 'valid' to me, to come up with my second 'Lyin Eyes' rendition. I only hope that candidly honest (yet supportively constructive) replies are given to others that post their music here too, as well as any future song postings I make. What makes this forum unique is the diversity of musical styles & tastes among the membership. Scott
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