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#60964 - 07/20/02 05:26 PM Re: KN7000 Report
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no, at the moment to 5k only, which gets you close enough since you can load into 6k/7k. But I strongly suspect that the style convert disk uses the same, or extremely similar software module as EMC, i.e. it converts to 5k format which is then loaded into the keyboard memory as 6k (we shall have to see what happens on 7k).
We have been waiting for a possible 6k format EMC version for a while now, but there are difficulties decoding the compression used.

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#60965 - 07/20/02 06:08 PM Re: KN7000 Report
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Quote:
Originally posted by technicsplayer:
We have been waiting for a possible 6k format EMC version for a while now, but there are difficulties decoding the compression used.


Hi Alec. As an EMC 'StyleWorks Universal' owner, I had contacted Klaus Grosser (software programmer for EMC StyleWorks) quite a while back, re: KN6000 format conversion support, and he informed me then that his EMC program was actually 'already capable' of supporting conversion to KN6000 format, but that the 'issue' holding him back from releasing the KN6000 supported version, was that Technics had not granted EMC the rights to implement it yet. Alec, after reading your posting, I'm now confused. Could I have possibly mis-undertood what Klaus Grosser told me originally? - Scott

[This message has been edited by Scottyee (edited 07-20-2002).]
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#60966 - 07/21/02 03:57 AM Re: KN7000 Report
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I talked at length about this subject with Klaus at Frankfurt and he actually asked me to send him some files which might help him with the technical problem. As I understood there is both a commercial and a technical side to the reason. I don't know how much progress has been made on the technical side very recently, but I am hoping that the release of the 7k, making the 6k the previous model, so to speak, may assist in smoothing the commercial side. If the 7k format is very similar to 6k format, there may still be commercial problems, I have no inside knowledge. Nevertheless I hope that Klaus can update his extremely clever and useful software soon, Scott, because it is a very good product.

- (the nearest smilie I could find to "hopeful")

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#60967 - 07/21/02 12:30 PM Re: KN7000 Report
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HI: technicsplayer
Thank You for the info, I think I understand now.
If I have allot of styles to convert (which I do) it
would be best to use EMC to convert to KN5000,
then use the disk supplied with KN7000 to change
from 5000 to 7000.
Or maybe I wouldn't even need the disk to load
5000 styles into the 7000.
Denny
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#60968 - 07/21/02 02:32 PM Re: KN7000 Report
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that's it, 5000 format will load in direct

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#60969 - 07/21/02 06:38 PM Re: KN7000 Report
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HI: technicsplayer
Thank You very much
Denny
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#60970 - 07/21/02 08:20 PM Re: KN7000 Report
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Alec (Technicsplayer): It's great to hear that the KN7000 will read & load KN5000 format styles in 'directly'. This was the answer I've been hoping to hear for a LONG time. I just hope they'll sound (on the KN7000) fairly close to the way they orginally sounded on the KN5000.

I have LOTS of custom KN5000 styles which were originally stored on my KN5000's hard drive (AE5000) and subsequently backed up to CD (using Keysoft Service's TechManager software). I assume all I'll need to do is copy the files from the CD to a SD Memory Card and then just insert the SD memory card into the KN7000 and then all my KN5000 styles will be available in the KN7000 for direct loading, right?

Will the KN7000 be able to recognize 'all' Technics KN5000 format file extensions? If not, which ones?

.CMP (composer style pattern)
.LSW (current panel memory)
.PMT (panel memory - 10 banks - 8 memories)
.SQT (sequencer file: 10 songs)
.TM (sound memory)
.MSP (manual sequence pads: 12 banks of 6)

In addition to the above Technics file extensions, Tech Manager also adds a .ttx file extension for lyrics support. Will the KN7000 be able to recognize .txx files too?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer my above questions. - Scott
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#60971 - 07/22/02 07:45 AM Re: KN7000 Report
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we need to be careful of our terminology here to avoid confusions arising. When you say custom, maybe you mean composers tweaked to your own setting? When I describe custom below I am talking about the 20 patterns in the style custom group. My custom is thus the *.rcm file.

All the files you list should load OK, if the 7k follows 6k experience, we need to try a lot of files to find out first. At least the actual important pattern data from composer and sequencer will be intact, even if you have to revoice or re-effect occasionally.

The 6k could not load 5k custom patterns. You had to save all your 5k custom patterns back out as 5k composers to be able to get everything into the 6k. I don't know for sure, but it seems likely the 7k may be the same, but we have to wait and see...

see also http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum25/HTML/000772.html because it might also become relevant in some circumstances.

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#60972 - 07/22/02 08:50 AM Re: KN7000 Report
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Hi Alec: oops sorry for the confusion. As you guessed, when I was refering to custom styles, I was refering to 'tweaked & self created' composer styles (.CMP files), not the 20 styles in the custom group (.RCM files).

Good to hear you say that the KN7000 will load, not only the KN5000 style patterns (.CMP files) , but also the all important panel memory setups (.PMT files).
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