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#59671 - 08/30/05 08:55 AM Conversion Issue
Jim Helwig Offline
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Registered: 08/29/05
Posts: 91
Loc: Sebring, Florida, USA
Hi All,

New member here, been a professional organist/keyboardist and am still playing professionally. I've just begun to convert my Ensoniq SD-1 sequences over to Technics Format (using the old Giebler conversion program). I've started with an easy 1 track "Piano Solo". The conversion has worked fine, and I have the sequence saved in Technics format. My question is: I'd like to lower the piano by an octave - how do I do this, then save it back in Technics format?
Thanks - Jim Helwig

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#59672 - 08/30/05 01:22 PM Re: Conversion Issue
Bill Norrie Offline
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Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 2330
Loc: North Yorkshire UK
Hi Jim and welcome to the forum The answer to your question is very straightforward.
Assuming you have your sound set-up saved in a Panel Memory, Press Program Menus > Sound > Part Setting. Use the buttons at the top left to select the sound whose octave you wish to change (RT1, RT2 or Left) then use the Key Shift buttons to set the Key Shift to -12. Press and hold the SET button in the middle of Panel Memories and then press the Panel Memory in which you wish to save the new setup. This could be your original Sound Memory or any other Sound Memory. Press Program Menus to return to the Home Screen and then Save your new setup to SD card, as normal.
Another way of achieving an octave shift for RT1 and RT2 voices, is simply to press the Octave Shift key on the front panel. You can then save this setup in a Panel Memory.
Yet another method is to edit the existing Piano sound in the Sound Edit facility, reduce the pitch by 12 semitones and save this as a 'new' sound in Sound Memory. You can then call up this 'New' Piano sound for use, as required.


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#59673 - 08/30/05 01:44 PM Re: Conversion Issue
Jim Helwig Offline
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Registered: 08/29/05
Posts: 91
Loc: Sebring, Florida, USA
Hi Bill, thanks for the welcome. I've not had any success yet. Here's what I did. I did drop the sound down by 12 steps (per your suggestion), I was using "Concert Grand". I saved the new sound in "memory" in the sound group. I punched it up and played it - it was just what I wanted. I then went to the sequence, using program menus, selected "sequencer", then selected "record and edit", then selected "step record". I cursored over to the first "event" (asterisk) and erased the sound that was there, then went to my "concert grand" sound, pressed it and heard the beep that the sound had been replaced. I then saved it (to a floppy), loaded it, but it was the same piano as before. Obviously I'm missing s step or something.

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#59674 - 08/30/05 02:13 PM Re: Conversion Issue
Bernie9 Offline
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Registered: 09/21/02
Posts: 5508
Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
Hey Jim

Welcome at last to the forum.

Try this to lower by an octave.

Load your sequence
menu/sequencer/range edit/transpose
Tracks all/ 1st measure-1,last measure-150
Transpose- -12
Track 10(for when drums are present) +12
Escape
Try it now and save

It sounds great

Bernie
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#59675 - 08/30/05 04:27 PM Re: Conversion Issue
Bill Norrie Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 2330
Loc: North Yorkshire UK
Hi Jim,
If you send me one of your sequences as a Zipped email attachment, I'll have a look at it and try to solve your problem. My email address is in my profile

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Willum
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Willum

After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is Music.
Aldous Huxley
( especially when the music is played on a KN7000....)

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#59676 - 08/30/05 08:15 PM Re: Conversion Issue
bruno123 Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 06/04/02
Posts: 4912
Loc: West Palm Beach, FL 33417
Jim, let me outline;

1- IMPORTANT, the sequence tells the keyboard what to do!

2-Load your midi file with the organ playing the solo.
What you want is to change the organ sound into a nice piano,
playing an octave lower. So we must tell the sequence what to do.
3-Select the piano you want.
4-Press program menus, (right side)
5-Press Sound
6-Press Part settings
7-Use buttons on left to scroll to Part #3
on the right side change key shift to ?12 (one octave)
8-On right side of keyboard press and hold the center button of the Panel memory, now while your holding the center button press#1 The piano you have selected, and the lower octave are save in the panel memory,
But------the sequence has no idea what you just did.
Soooo, we must make a Control track in our sequence.

Let?s go to Sequence in the Program Menus.
9-Press Program Menus
10-Press sequence
11-Press Record Edit
12-Press Track Assign
13-(Left side) Scroll down to TR7
(second column) change window next to TR7 to ?Control?
14-Press OK
Back to Program Menus
16-Press Program Menus
17- Press Sequence
18- Press Step Record
19-Press 7 ? you are now writing in track #7
20-Make sure the highlight mark is under #1, then press
#1 on the panel memory ?you?ll hear a sound and see a mark under #1
You have written the information you wanted in the control track #7
Which will now tell the sequence what you want it to do.

Exit from Program Menus ? you must now save what you have done.
You loaded a GM midi file, you are now going to save it as Technics File.
1-Press Disk or SD, (Where you wish to save it)
2-Press Save
3-Press Technics format
4-(Left side) Press Name
5-Write in name and press OK.
6-Go to the second window and press All Off.(bottom right)
7-Now select?Panel ? P.Mem ? Sequence.
8-Back to page one ? check right side to see if are saving the correct items.
9-Press Save ? Done

Now I hope I got that all right ?ha ha ha ha

Bill and Bernie have posted all this information, I just thought I would write it over in my own language.

John C.

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#59677 - 08/31/05 01:01 AM Re: Conversion Issue
Joan Offline
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Registered: 01/30/03
Posts: 550
Loc: Hampshire U.K.
Hi there Jim - welcome aboard - good to see you on this forum.

John - you make it sound so easy - your step by step instructions are just what is needed by many of us. Very very much appreciated - Joan

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