Hello again, my friends!

One quick question about Intros and Endings in the rhythm groups: When a particular registration is chosen from one of the rhythm groups, an introduction and an ending is automatically part of the selection. However, sometimes either one or both of those do not always fit the type of song being played. Is there any way to substitute a different introduction/ending from a different rhythm group without changing the entire registration selected?

Thanks for any help you can offer.

Ted Rose

Ahh Ted,
The old chestnut returns.
I dont know if what you suggest can be done as each Intro/ending has its own tempo/sound settings and bar measure.I find 1 out of 10 endings useable as they are all too flash but thats to impress on first listening.

Cheers Barry

Hi Ted,

Sure! it can be done You can mix and match any of the components of one style with those of another.
I'm a bit busy at present but I'll get back to you later......

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Willum

Hi Ted , It may be that old chestnut again ,but it is a good question .

Bill , thank you for also taking the trouble to reply .

When you have some spare time ,i look forward to your lesson and advice on this subject .

regards ...........Giovanni

Let's assume that the two styles to be used for modification are in the KN7000 Rhythm Group - ie Built-In Styles. The styles used should of course be of the same time signature eg both 4/4. One or both of the styles could also already be in the Composer Memory - say in Memory A and Memory B.

If the styles are not already in Composer, then they should first be copied to the composer. To illustrate the procedure, we can use two of the styles in the Jazz&Swing group - say Jazz Combo and Swing Combo. The aim will be to replace the Intros and Endings in Jazz Combo with those of Club
Combo. The procedure can also be carried out, by just copying one of the built-in styles to Composer and using components directly from another built in style. However, I prefer to have both styles resident in the composer, since it makes it easier to move components to and from both styles. Having become familiar with the process, then you should be able to simplify the procedure, by just copying the Target style whose Intros / Endings you wish to modify, to the Composer Memory A:

First - Copy Jazz Combo to Composer A and Club Combo to Composer B

1. Program Menus > Composer > Pattern Copy
2. In the 'FROM' box, use GROUP buttons to select JAZZ & SWING.
3. Use RHYTHM buttons to select Jazz Combo
4. Use PATTERN buttons to select ALL.
5. In the 'TO' box, use MEMORY buttons to select Memory A: and PATTERN buttons to select ALL
6. Press 'OK' - the entire Jazz Combo style will now be copied to Composer Memory A:
7. Use RHYTHM buttons to select Club Combo
8. Use PATTERN buttons to select ALL.
9. In the 'TO' box, use MEMORY buttons to select Memory B: and PATTERN buttons to select ALL
10. Press 'OK' - the entire Jazz Combo style will now be copied to Composer Memory B:
11. Press EXIT Once to return to the COMPOSER MENU screen.

So, we now have the Jazz Combo style in Composer A: and the Club Combo style in Composer B:

Changing the Intros and Endings

1. In the COMPOSER MENU screen, Press PATTERN COPY
2. In the FROM Box, Set GROUP to MEMORY, RHYTHM to B:Club Combo and PATTERN to INTRO1 maj
3. In the TO Box, Set MEMORY to A: Jazz Combo and PATTERN to INTRO1 maj
4. Press OK and at the Warning prompt, Press YES
5. In the FROM Box, Set PATTERN to INTRO2 maj
6. In the TO Box, Set PATTERN to INTRO2 maj
7. Press OK and at the Warning prompt, Press YES
8. In the FROM Box, Set PATTERN to ENDING1 maj
9. In the TO Box, Set PATTERN to ENDING1 maj
10. Press OK and at the Warning prompt, Press YES
11. In the FROM Box, Set PATTERN to ENDING2 maj
12. In the TO Box, Set PATTERN to ENDING2 maj
13. Press OK and at the Warning prompt, Press YES
14. Press Program Menus to return to the Home Screen.

We should now have the Jazz Combo style in Composer A: but with ALL the Intros and Endings changed to those of Club Combo.
It is also possible to replace any of the other components in the Jazz Combo, with those in the Club Combo, such as the Fill-Ins, by selecting the appropriate component in the above steps. You could also choose to replace Intro1 of Jazz Combo with Intro2 of Club Combo, or replace any of the
Fill-ins of Jazz Combo, with any of the Fill-ins from Club Combo.
You could even copy another total style into Composer C: , using the first part of the procedure, and select some components from that style, to replace some of the components in the style in Composer A:
It is even possible to replace a Fill-In with an Intro or Ending and it behaves just like a Fill-In !! or, replace an Intro or Ending with a Fill-In and it behaves just like an Intro or Ending!!

Finally, don't forget to save your 'new' style to SD card, since Composer Memory is volatile.............

Have Fun.............


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Willum

Willum!

Thank you for your clear and simple explanation! I can always count on you to answer questions, and again you proved me to be right.

Have you ever thought of writing a book to include all the techniques you provide us whenever we have a technical question about the keyboard?



Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Ted Rose

Dear willum , Thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to write out and explain the procedure . I will be giving it a try . It's something that I've always wanted to do and never had the confidence to attempt .
We forum members are very fortunate to have members such as you ,who are very willing to share your joy and passion for the Technics products .

Once again ,thank you so much ,you are very kind .

Regards ............Giovanni

Hi Ted,

There are many ways to skin a cat. ! Try this:-

Prior to sequencing, set up a panel memory with the voices you wish to use, plus the rhythm panel style you wish to use. - Set up another panel memory with the same voices (not essential), but with the rhythm panel style, with the 'intro' you wish to use.

When setting up to record, ensure you set up track 6 to record also. and that your rhythm panel is standing on the style of your intro -- Once you start recording (via the pressing of your left-hand chord), immediately press the panel memory button, where you've stored the rhythm style you wish to use for the main part of your recording. -- Proceed to record as you normally would, until reaching the point where you wish your 'ending' to come in. -Now press your 'ending' button on the rhythm panel (as you would normally do), and finish your recording.

When played back, you will now hear your selected intro, followed by your selected main rhythm, followed by 'THE ENDING YOU DON'T WANT'. -- But help is at hand. !

Go into 'step record'.
Select track 6.
Scroll to the point where you have your ending, and erase the ending you have there.
Now press the panel memory button where you stored the rhythm style of the ending you wish to use, followed by pressing the 'ending' button on the rhythm panel. ---You now have the intro and ending of your choice, neither of which were associated with your main rhythm.

Best of luck - This method works well for me. It might do for you also. Cheers,

Colin Leaney

Thanks for your kind comments - glad to help......
With reference to your question Ted, I have already put a collection of 'Tech Tips' on my website and will probably add the current topic in the near future, since it seems to be of interest.

Thanks Colin for suggesting another method - as you say - more than one way to skin the proverbal cat

Some further thoughts on the subject.......

You obviously have to listen to the components of the two styles which you wish to 'mix and match' to make sure that they are compatible. There would be little point in replacing the Intro or Ending of say the 'Lounge Piano' style with the Intro or Ending of a Big Band style. It would be worthwhile listening to and making notes of compatible Intros/Endings, for a particular style, before carrying out the procedure.

Let's call the style to be modified, the 'Target' style and the style or styles from which the replacement components are derived, the 'Donor' style or styles. If the Target is already in the Composer and the Donor or Donors are in the built-in Rhythm Group of the KN7000, then it is not really necessary to copy the Donor style or styles, into the Composer. Just make sure that the Target style in the Composer, is selected in the TO box - ie MEMORY A:, B: or C:. Then define the Donor style GROUP, RHYTHM and PATTERN in the FROM box, using the buttons at the bottom of the PATTERN COPY screen. By using this method, you can extract individual components from any of the built-in Donor styles, to replace the components of the Target style. It is a personal choice, but I generally locate the Target style in Composer Memory A:

If the Donor style is in the CUSTOM memory, then it will not be possible to access the style using the above method - it will have to be copied into the Composer memory, before the components can be accessed.

Assuming that the Target Style is already resident in Composer Memory A:
1. Press Program Menus > Composer > Custom Style Copy
2. In the CUSTOM STYLE COPY screen, Press the DIRECTION button until CUSTOM STYLE: x appears in the FROM box.
3. Press the MEMORY BANK button to select MEMORY BANK : B in the TO box.
4. Select the Donor style in the FROM box by using the CUSTOM STYLE buttons at the bottom of the screen.
5. Press OK and the chosen Donor CUSTOM style will be copied into Composer Memory B:
6. Press EXIT once and then PATTERN COPY.
7. In the FROM box, use the RHYTHM button to select Memory B: and then use the same basic procedure otlined in 'Changing the Intros and Endings' , to replace the desired components in the Target style, from the Donor style.

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Willum