Performing with Live Audio Tracks using KETRON EVM AjamSonic and Yamaha Genos - You need to watch and hear this to believe:- https://youtu.be/5P9be5ed_w0

Nice... sort of Ableton Live on an arranger..!

I think there's one small problem. Let's say you've got a couple of hundred songs to choose from (live) with up to 22 Marker points in each 😱. Maybe you can do better, but I honestly doubt I'd be able to remember what each of them did..! Even if it were only 5 or 6 Markers.

It would be fantastic if the screen layout gave more room for the buttons, and you could LABEL THEM... Verse 1, Pre-chorus, Break, 2nd Verse, Solo, Solo2 etc..

Most of the computer apps that do this let you label your sections. Even the iPad app I use (StageTraxx4) allows this. I honestly think for this to become a practical tool for a gigging musician, it's going to need this.

It's a great way to perform, it definitely helps live when you want to jam, or your dancers get on the floor late (or leave early!) or friends sit in, but without labels for the segments, it's a minefield of potential disasters!

Hopefully you can pass this on to Ketron and see what they can do.

I tried to do this on my BK9 using the Key Audio function, but sadly it didn't read the tracks off the USB stick fast enough to not get a very slight hiccup between sectors. If that Ketron's reading direct from the HD, it's FAST! ❤️🎹🤩

Maybe I missed it, but I think it also needs a way to have it progress through the song's REGULAR structure if you don't alter it. Currently it seems to loop each section endlessly and it's up to you to trigger the sections correctly (again, probably difficult to remember for a large songlist).

On a jam track, not a big deal, but on a more structured song, it's going to take precision to remember to trigger each section sequentially. Again, something Ableton etc do automatically until you instruct them otherwise.

Forgive me if I missed you explaining how to do that. But I think that's it's most likely use scenario, a linear song that you can override when you want to...

Great points here Dikki

In other words, the USER shuold be able to rename the arranger buttons (A, B, C, D, Intro ...etc). Is this correct?

Dikki,

No - you did miss as this was not explained.

What you can do is ... (as you stated above) - hardly would ANYONE need 22 marker points - so you can simply assign e.g ARR D to the complete audio/wav of the file, that is the entire song - uncut!

So when you pay all the other parts, you trigger them but if/when you start to become forgetfull or just want to JAMM to the entire song and stop 'typing' buttons, simply press D and jam away.

Yes, that is the EVM/EVENT streaming from the SSD in real time. You just have to make sure your wave files are cut PERFECTLY so you do not 'hear/have' any hick ups as you transition between parts!

Thanks,

AJ

Maybe I've missed how you explained it, but if you have one file that's the entire song, and then depart to repeat or skip a section, how do you get back to the point at which you stepped away from the linear song?

Sounds to me like, once you stopped playing the linear song, you were back to needing to hand cue everything from that point onwards.

I think what it needs is a cue sheet. After A, then B. After B, then C, etc..

That way, if you repeat B, unless you give it a different next section, it AUTOMATICALLY goes to C, etc, etc..

If it's just markers in one file (the way my iPad app does it) then it works great. But if you actually need to prepare up different files for each section, a cue list should be essential...

And yes, unless you can label them Verse, Chorus, Bridge, Solo, Ending etc, it's going to be next to impossible to remember what does what.

I'm an expert on features that WOULD have been great if they'd only changed one tiny thing or two... it's Roland's basic premise! You only had to make TWO simple database links on a BK9 to have a chart (a jpg of either the lyrics or the sheet music) and a chord sequence loaded with every Performance..! The core elements to do it are all present. They just never had the Performance automatically load them. 🙄

Little things make a huge difference. There have been many times that led me to believe the people coding the arrangers' OS's DON'T PLAY ARRANGERS FOR A LIVING..! Utterly obvious things get missed....

I think Ketron have missed a couple of obvious things here, but they should be able to be corrected quite simply...